TD20 Vdrum users who use superior drummer 2 please help.

Hey all

First off I love my SD2 with metal foundry and new york addons

Its taken a bit of mapping out but I have everything sounding awesome when I sit back and play a nice mellow groove but....

If I hit singel hits on the snare forinstance then all is good or even a very basic snare roll nothing fast and no problem all sounds great but ....

when I go to play a very very fast snare roll for some reason its like I am missing hits I know I am not missing them because if I go back and play straight out the td20 brain I can hear them clear as day but if I am useing it in toontrack it sounds like I am not hiting all the strokes but I am.

Sorry if I havent explaned this very well.

I have my set up with close curv 2 on for the high hats it makes the hi hats on the td20 work like a dream and the kits sound awesome everything sounds great even very very fast high hat work, fast tom rolls or fast flams tripllets or blast beat double kick work.

Just this snare problem and its holding me back a bit as I have a song to record for someone and there for its holding them back as well. ( you get where I am comeing from)

The td20 brain is all set at factory default.

Could it be a problem with the trigger set up in my td20 brain ?

Would makeing the skin tighter on the kit make a difference ?

Could it be becasue I am not hiting dead center every time although I think I am because like I said its fine if its not played in toontrack but If I wasnt would there be a way to change this so it sounds ok for every stroke ?

I am clutching at straws for ideas here guys and hope someone can help.

It just seems weird every other drum is fine but not this one.

Any ideas what could be causeing this ? Is it a problem with the trigger set up in my td20 brain ? The brain is all set at factory default.

Could it be something i need to change in SD2?

Like I say everything else is awesome but I just dont understand whats going wrong with the snare.

I also should maybe have said its like this on every snare in SD2 and all the extra packs I have bought

You have all been great with help on eveything Ive had problems with so far so and I cant thank every one enough I am keeping my fingers crossed to get this working for me asap

Thanks so much guys :)

Norrie

Hi mike

I agree with you as the td20 brain is superb!!!!

 I use SD2 for all my recording so I need to be able to do this Ive heard tracks from other guys with no problems but no one is being much help over on the toontrack forum.

Any ideas what I could do ?

Are you haveing this problem your self ?

I think I will try session drummer 3 tomorow see if the same problem is there then at least I will know if its a problem with the triggers or the program ?

Thanks again any help to get this fixed asap would be great!

Norrie

Thanks sand man!

I havent actualy seen a preset for the TD20 in SD2?
Could you tell me where this is ?
I know it has a edrum seting but its just a basic seting its not exactly right you still have to change the mapping for instance on the 4th tom so that it isnt a crash so it is a rim etc.....

I thought it may also be the mesh head so I will be trying that today just sto see but wanted to ask as first as it feels ok and didnt want to start tweeking on something that felt ok but if needs must as they say :) I didnt think it owuld be the mesh head as it sounds ok when playing the TD20 brain sounds but I will need to try to find out.

I will get back to you about what I find and let you know but if you could point me in the direction of the TD20 preset that would be awesome :D

Thanks again

Norrie

Norrie


Thanks sand man!

I havent actualy seen a preset for the TD20 in SD2?
Could you tell me where this is ?

I dont own superior,  I just read up on it casue im interested in getting it.  It has presets for a lot of e-kits.  And I know it has one for the TD-20. Try turning up the sensitivity and lowering the threshold on your snare from the brain.  Mess w the xtalk..all of that should hopefully get you dialed in.

isn't cc4 used for the hi-hat pedal ?

Or can you disable CC signals per kit piece ?

JR

Jim Roseberry

when I go to play a very very fast snare roll for some reason its like I am missing hits I know I am not missing them because if I go back and play straight out the td20 brain I can hear them clear as day but if I am useing it in toontrack it sounds like I am not hiting all the strokes but I am.

The problem you're having is that the TD-20 outputs lots of MIDI continuous controller data (stick position)... which is flooding the MIDI stream and adversely affecting MIDI timing/triggering when you're playing fast rolls.
MIDI is serial... and a little bit of CC data won't affect timing in any appreciable way.
However, a flood of MIDI CC data causes a 'traffic jam'.

I believe you can disable this feature on the TD-20.
Disable it... and see if your MIDI timing/triggering improves.

What exactly would I need to disable to se if it works could you lease talk me through its I am very new to all this and its very over whelming for a noob like me ;(

Sorry and thanks for all your help every one

Norrie

Hmmmm for instance the song I was playing i wasnt useing the hi hats at all I didnt have my food even on them.

This is all very strange I am going to try a load of things tomorow and report back wort thing that can happen is I go back to factoy reset and start all over if I make a total mess of it so heres hopeing

I am still hopeing it may be a case of the skin is to lose as the same role on any of the toms sounds great played at the same speed so I dont understand it at all.

Its like its missing hits on the snare like I am playing to quick for it to recognise every hiton it but I know I am ot as I am only playing around 200 or 220 bpm.

very strange :S

Norrie

mike_mccue


Hi Norrie,

I have an Alesis E drum kit... I believe the Roland stuff is superior but I choose the Alesis because it had a USB hookup that I wanted to use.

I spent a whole day tweaking the sensitivity of my pads and the parameters in the brain. I continue to have hits disappear in the brain, but less so than before I tweaked everything.

I have the impression that the problem is within the brain and has to do with the conversion to MIDI rather than any specific connection to a soft synth. I have used light weight samplers as well as the fanciest Kontakt libraries... it doesn't seem to matter.

Good luck,
mike

yeah unfortunately I cant be much help to the OP, but had to pick on on Mike's comments as I also have the Alesis kit and use it to trigger SD. My MIDI out on the Alesis DM5 brain goes to the MIDI in on my SPS-660 interface and without any tweaking, I can get fully formed snare drum rolls without any missing hits etc, I must admit I didnt expect that, but it goes to show that this can be achieved so well worth persevereing