Raskass23
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TECHNICAL QUESTION??
I like sonar and music creator 6 so far. But i do have a question, and if anybody can answer it i will appreciate it. The problem im having is when i finish a song it sound good and clean, and when i export it and it plays on windows media it sounds great...even when i play it from reverbnation through my pc speakers it sounds normal...This issues im having is when i convert it to a video format through windows media for youtube it really distorts my voice to a point my words are unrecognizable...or when i listen to the track through my cell phone it does the same...Even though on reverb it sound great through my pc speakers, it sounds crappy through my cell phone. Any suggestions on how to fix this would be appreciated! Thanks...
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Raskass23
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/14 19:14:11
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I dont know if i can really say it distorts my voice, it makes my voice really fluctuate up and down and in and out! Like im talkin under water!
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/14 20:15:17
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Welcome to the forum. video format through windows media for youtube So how are you converting it to video format? You haven't really given anyone enough technical information to even begin to understand what problems you mught be having.
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Raskass23
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/14 20:45:59
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Thanks!! Well i midi my vocals and instrumental after im done of course...Then i export it, its exported in wav file. Ive tried to upload on sound cloud in wav format and my volcals are really distorted on there. And when i try to do a video its distorted on there also. So i converted filed to Mp3 and it does the same. Its weird because on sonar everything sounds fine, even when i play it on windows media player it sounds fine....Only when i upload to sound cloud/reverbnation or try to make a youtube video does the audio start to mess up. But on reverb nation ive got it to where it will sound fine through my pc speakers, but when i listen to it on my cell phone my vocals sound really messed up. As far as anything else i really cant explain much else...I mean cause i dont know what im doing wrong. At first i thought it was my mixing...But the volume levels are the same and such. But i will say that the instrumental when the pan is centered the sound is equal in both speakers...But when i record vocals my vocals come outta my left speaker more and i gotta adjust the pan to make my vocals equal with the instrumental!
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/15 01:26:29
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What on earth do you mean by: " I MIDI my vocals and instrumental after I'm done, of course". My imagination isn't capable of even starting to find an explanation to that.
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/15 11:14:36
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In order to export a file you have to first Midi the track! There is really no need to be a prick...If you dont know what im talkin about just move along....
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/15 12:13:41
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There's no need to be abusive & Kalle is absolutely right in asking that question. In order to export a file you have to first Midi the track! This is complete rubbish! And I'd like to know the steps involved to 'Midi a track'
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/15 12:23:18
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I'm sorry if the limitations of my imagination offends you :o) Honestly, I've been playing with DAWs for 20 years. This is the first time I hear about "MIDI'ing" vocals as an "of course"-procedure before exporting.
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/15 13:40:34
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When im done recording my tracks....I have instrumental at the top....and my vocals beneath it.....Now when i want to export my tracks it makes me click on "MIDI"....If i dont click midi when i export it and it plays on windows media players it will just be blank! I will take pictures and eleaborate later today when i get off work!
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/15 15:06:01
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Are you talking about Export Settings? What makes you click on MIDI? You really need to give detailed description of your workflow when you have time. You do know that MIDI is only data, it has no sound, don't you? It's like sheet music in the form of data. Soft synths use that data to produce sound, audio tracks, like vocals, have nothing to do with it.
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Raskass23
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/15 17:22:09
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All i know is when im done recording, and im ready to listen to it or upload it, it makes me go up and click midi...Then another bar appears under my vocals and instrumental....Thats the only way my tracks will play on anything else other than the program im using. Like i said, i will upload pictures or something later.
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Raskass23
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/15 20:34:35
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Alright at the top of the sonar x1 Le screen it said file,edit,view and insert...When you click on insert it says MIDI....When i want to export a track i have to click on the midi in order for my audio to be exported so i can upload it to sound cloud or listen to it on windows media player!
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Raskass23
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/15 23:02:25
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/16 01:54:49
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Raskass23 Alright at the top of the sonar x1 Le screen it said file,edit,view and insert...When you click on insert it says MIDI....When i want to export a track i have to click on the midi in order for my audio to be exported so i can upload it to sound cloud or listen to it on windows media player! Hmmm, this is not a SONAR problem at all, is it? Do I understand correctly, that the exported wav sounds ok, but you only get problems when uploading to Soundcloud or converting to other format for video? Your cell-phone most likely does not play wavs (???) either so is this just an MP3 conversion problem, in which the export method used in SONAR is totally irrelevant? What conversion software and bit rate are you using, and how hot is the exported wav? In order to convert to MP3 you must have at least -0,3 dB headroom. The fact alone that Soundcloud packs everything to 128 bps quality causes degradation, unless you upload downloadable files. But still, that "midi'ing thing" puzzles me, even though it might be something irrelevant. . What makes you do it/where does it read that you have to click Insert>MIDI before exporting?? What are you inserting? What do you mean by "another bar" that appears under your vocals? Is it just an empty MIDI track? If it is, it has nothing to do with the export procedure. Do you have soft synths in use? Give us a clear view: What kind of tracks do you have in the project and how exactly do you export? What sample rate and bit depth are you using in SONAR? Or does it really matter... If the exported wavs sound fine, then everything is as it should be.
post edited by Kalle Rantaaho - 2013/04/16 02:05:10
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/16 04:32:13
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FILE > EXPORT > AUDIO End of. Midi doesn't enter into the equation as all of your soft synth AUDIO will be exported by the above process.
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/16 11:23:05
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Alright forget the midi thing...My audio still fluctuates and sounds crappy on youtube and sound cloud or reverbnation....
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/16 14:55:07
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So what about giving us some info on how you are doing things?? You export the project to wav, and it sounds ok in Windows Media Player? What are the readings in Master Bus level meter when you export (= how "hot" is the wav)? Then what?
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Raskass23
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/16 18:33:27
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I really honestly have no clue how to explain it. All i know is ive pretty much tried everything. It cant be my sound card because everything sounds fine, except when i upload. I uploaded wav files,mp3 etc. Something is happening from what i have saved on my pc to when i actually upload the track...When i do record a track on cakewalk my audio for some reason is always more in the left speaker when i play my voice after im done...But my instrumental is always centered in both speakers. I always have to adjust my vocals so they're equal, which i think is odd. When its centered it should be equal! Maybe i just need to try a diffrent recording software.
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/16 21:48:34
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Or you just need to learn how to work with the software you have. In your demo clip, your vocals are noticeably left, and all of your instruments are heavily right. There is a hole right up the middle. Even the Soundcloud waveform reflects a heavy balance of energy to the right. A good part of this is probably the bass. You have a lot of low end energy, and it is kind of muddy. You need to work on your recording amd mixing techniques. This is not meant as a dig, but to encourage you to buckle down and work on your methods. How, exactly, are you recording your vocals? Are you recording to a stereo or mono track? Ideally, it should be mono. Stereo will mess you up right from the start, and you will fight it all the way. Don't mix with the volume really loud. Your ears will get conditioned, and your speakers/monitors will lie to you. You may have standing waves and nulls in your room that will make the speakers lie. When this happens, you end up with a bad mix that sounds good under specific conditions. Now, enter the MP3 conversions and the cell phone. A low bitrate MP3 will trash you sound, especially if the mix is off to start with. The cell phone is not subject to the acoustics of your room, and may actually be giving you a more accurate rendition of your mix. To be honest, I hear a mix done by someone who does not yet understand what he is working with. Again, that is not meant as an insult. We all start somewhere. My first mixes were horrible, and didn't translate well at all. Trying different software is not the answer. At the end of the day, they are all pretty much the same. Learn how to use your tools, read up on techniques, and experiment. And plan on trashing some projects. It's gonna happen. Give us details on your equipment, and what you are doing. Be as specific as you can. We will help as much as we can, but it is important that you provide us accurate information. Above all, be willing to learn.
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/16 22:29:32
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Thanks for the info...Im definitly gonna apply everything you said!!
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/16 22:49:59
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Thank you for taking that in the spirit it was intended. You have some decent material there. With the right delivery, it can really shine. When I started working with sound, I had no idea just how complicated it really was. It's frustrating, challenging, and exceptionally rewarding. You are in for one helluva ride, but stick it out. You'll be glad you did.
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/16 23:18:31
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Yeah i pretty much got it to cd form and on my regular windows media player. It's just really bugging me as to why the audio was being so distorted when i upload to youtube or sound cloud...And its really horrible when i listen to it through my cell phone. I know this ones panning is off, i just wanted to use it as an example of how the audio sounded. Im a perfectionist!...If people listen to me i want them to enjoy it.
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/16 23:45:59
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Dude Robert i feel like an idiot...It was the stereo/Mono thing...So simple. Man i just got into mixing, so dont laugh man. I definitly appreciate the info...If i knew you id buy you lunch man...Appreciate it!
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/17 22:39:28
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Don't sweat it. Glad to help. You will probably have many more questions as you move forward. Put your system info in your signature. That will help us give you appropriate answers. Like the others, I am a bit baffled by the MIDI thing. That's not something you should have to do and it would be good to get that cleared up. This stuff is complicated enough without some weirdness being thrown in.
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Raskass23
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/17 23:39:27
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Yeah i was using music creator 6, And for some reason on that it made me do midi. Id have to go to process, apply effect and click midi. If i didnt do that nothing would be exported. It would just play but it would be blank. I just started using this so i assumed id have to do the same...But i tested it and i dont. So i could see how that confused yall.
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Re:TECHNICAL QUESTION??
2013/04/18 01:49:39
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Raskass23 Yeah i was using music creator 6, And for some reason on that it made me do midi. Id have to go to process, apply effect and click midi. If i didnt do that nothing would be exported. It would just play but it would be blank. I just started using this so i assumed id have to do the same...But i tested it and i dont. So i could see how that confused yall. The cause of the confusion was that in your post you wrote that you had to "midi" the tracks, and no-one had any idea what you meant, because a feature/function by that name does not exist, and you said you did it to vocal tracks, which simply doesn't make any sense. Had you talked about applying effects, everyone would have understood immediately. You see, we don't see what you see, so it's important to use correct terminology. Now, above you're talking about bouncing MIDI soft synths to audio, applying FX, selecting the audio track in a correct way etc. and obviously with some confusions. It is not necessary in MC6 either. You can export soft synths to audio in MC6 without bouncing/freezing them, for sure. Not in MC6, or in any software, has it ever been necessary/possible to turn vocals into MIDI before export. But that's past :o) Glad you got things working! I do know the frustration when creation is blocked by annoying technicalities. Next, do a favour to yourself and us and add your system and soundcard specs in your signature. You'll save a lot of typing that way, when you need to come to ask more. Enjoy music making!
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