TH2 not full version in SONAR X3 Producer?

It's a special version called TH2 Producer. You can upgrade to the full version at the Cakewalk Store.
 
 

X2 and X3 Producer include TH2 Producer. This is not the full version of TH2. Here is a good description of what is included in TH2 Producer.
 
Most of the amps are in two drop downs in this amp module

 
The cabs and mic are in this cab module

Yeah, gotta pay for the upgrade to get the full version but the one included with Producer is pretty useable IMO. The upgrade to the full version is well worth it though if you are guit player.
 
I think the confusion comes in when you see the TH2 Pro or TH2 Producer monikers. Makes it sound like it's the full version but it isn't. If you are going to upgrade keep an eye out for the upgrade discounts. I got mine for $99 and now I can upgrade/crossgrade to MarkII and the Breverb stuff for a decent price if I could ever scrounge some dough.
 
 

The upgrade to the full TH2 is currently available at the Cakewalk store http://www.store.cakewalk...ductid=30-ODTH2.00-20E

thanks scook - and sorry to overtake this thread - that price for TH2 upgrade in the cakewalk link you provided for X3 Studio version is $149.  I can get the full version price @ $147 from overloud "buy now", ($2 less   ).  effectively there is no upgrade for the x3 Studio version - is that right? 

That's because they are running a special. The regular price seems to be $269 for the full version. Maybe the Cake Store special was set before Overloud set their special price. Who knows. Marketing weirdness.

(IMO, (and I might come under fire from other users of cakewalk for saying this)) I've come to conclude "Xn Studio" is bundled worse than "Xn Essentials" and "Xn Producer" in some respects.

JimmyBoy
(IMO, (and I might come under fire from other users of cakewalk for saying this)) I've come to conclude "Xn Studio" is bundled worse than "Xn Essentials" and "Xn Producer" in some respects.

How did you arrive at that conclusion? First of all there is no Essential for X3.
 
Studio comes with:
 
Melodyne Essential
Blue Tubes FX
More instruments
More effects
ProChannel with 2 modules
AudioSnap
 
That alone is worth more than the $99 street price difference and more than the $50 upgrade price difference.

Well... it's not about flames. Studio is actually the best bundle out of the three. Essentials doesn't come with the Prochannel stuff nor any of the other goodies and Producer really only has a few (but nice) extras.  It just doesn't make a lot of sense to state Studio is poorly bundled and not qualify the statement.
 
Seriously I've been mulling over whether to comment on that assertion or not because I really didn't want to dick out on you so it's not about trying to flame or get all fanbois. It just doesn't make sense. Heck... a bunch of Producer users decided to go with Studio this time because of how well featured it is. I was considering it myself.
 
What this has to do with TH2 is beyond me though. It's a much nicer sim than GR4 Sonar was.

Oh yeah, Craig. It's a pretty immense package. Lotta stuff in there I don't think you can really get elsewhere. I've been really getting into the Brunetti models. Granted my experience with sims is pretty much limited to GR2, 4 (Sonar) and 5 but TH2 smokes. A lot easier to dial in than GR5 I think. Kind of surprised you haven't snagged it yet. I figured you'd get a guru freebie or something.

Beepster Creep uses TH2 Producer exclusively and I'm pretty sure the studio version has all the same stuff I used. Plenty of metal tones. In fact I kind of got the full version to have access to cleaner tones and the weirder effects.

But that was a little offensive Alex. I'm a metal guy... and I would never harm a cat... unless it was trying to eat me or something.
 

Beepster
But that was a little offensive Alex. I'm a metal guy... and I would never harm a cat... unless it was trying to eat me or something.

Apols, I've got them sampled now so it doesn't have to happen any more ;)
Who isn't into rock? (Check my link below).

JimmyBoy
Hi Beepster,
 
IMO using the TH2 in Studio isn't really cut out to what is in the sales pitch, better to use the full version I would think rather than use it at all - so thinking in this manner means TH2 in Studio simply doesn't cut it hence exist at all, so this is the point.  Same applies for Melodyne Essentials... If you want to use Melodyne, there is not enough of it in the bundle included with Studio to be effective so might as well go buy the editor or the full version rather than using essentials version.  If I were a power user of Sonar the ProChannel stuff wouldn't cut it either in Studio I would think, better off to buy the full version, maybe the only reason to go X3 Producer - the instruments are all available for around $50....

Well... I mean I do like the full TH2 and I'm glad I got but if I wasn't a total guitar freak I certainly wouldn't need it and as I said I was able to get my tones out of the base version. As far as the PC stuff in Studio being incomplete they are the exact same modules you'd get with Producer minus the new Tape Sim and perhaps one other thing I'm not remembering. They are full versions and quite good. I can't comment on Melodyne yet as I haven't used it but my impression is it was merely meant to replace V-Vocal as a pitch correcting which it does and from the sounds of things much better AND does all sorts of other cool stuff. The full version of Melodyne costs almost as much as X3 Studio itself. TH2 is pretty darned pricey too. I was extremely happy that I was able to use the included version to snag it for $99. Wish I had known about all that before I dropped my cash on the GR5 upgrade because I rarely touch it anymore.
 
So... well I just don't really agree but certainly won't begrudge you your opinion. I just think you may be looking at it from the wrong perspective.

TH2 responds more realistically than GR5. GR5 is great and all but it just doesn't have the true amp feel to it. I found I was endlessly fiddling with it and was catering my playing to the sim to make it sound good. TH2 isn't as good as an amp but it's pretty darned close and a heck of a lot more versatile than the few transistor beaters + crummy mics I've got around here.
 
They just need to figure out realistic feedback now.