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TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating?


TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating?

"Walked Away"
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got the album mixed, off for mastering.
i got a trial master back from my M.E. (franklin at ogre mastering)
this one i'll use as the template for the others.

how's this  translating for you?
i had him back off the RMS to preserve more attack, so it's not super loud
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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/22 12:42:08 (permalink)
    On cheapo computer speakers... sounds nicely balanced. Modern-sounding, but not too bright.
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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/22 14:13:23 (permalink)
    DLOGAN-
    THANKs for checking it out...

    i tried to get the mix as close to what i wanted, then had the mastering try to improve the volume without too much compression or limiting.
    he didnt' change the mix much at all, with the mastering.... so now it's all about how it translates, and then i'm off to the races.


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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/22 15:42:34 (permalink)
    This is kicking azz for sure. The mix is nice and punchy and crystal clear. The guitars and vox are great as usual, but I am really liking the bass line too.

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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/22 19:56:34 (permalink)
    Sounds excellent.  I'm listening with AKG K240's.  I can't find anything I don't like about how it sounds.
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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/22 23:03:28 (permalink)


    Track sounds good. Hearing Ts and Ss in the vocals tho. 

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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/23 02:24:50 (permalink)
    Hey, Gonzo,

    This sounds absolutely fantastic!  As always, excellent tone, great playing and killer vox, and the mix is crystal clear, wide, and very dynamic.

    You really nailed this one, d
    ynamite work, buddy!
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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/23 08:45:35 (permalink)
    Hi BB, listening on headphones it sounds like a great mix, very professional. Playing and singing ain't that  bad either  . Good job.


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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/23 09:51:02 (permalink)
    Nicely produced and nicely balanced instruments.
    guitars sound great. Cool stereo image.
    OK, I have to ask -- What is this song about? 
    What should you have "walked away" from?
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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/23 15:23:20 (permalink)

    scotty
    thanks for listening.
    if you don't mind me asking, what is your monitoring setup?
    are you in a treated room?


    guitartrek
    i use akg240's as well.... i like em!
    thanks for checking it out and commenting. if it don't hurt your ears, i'm good!


    djsur
    t's and s's, yes, on the mixdown, i worked a deesser pretty hard, and got to a point where if i took all the sibilence out, it killed the vibe of the vox.
    so i let that go in the mix decisions.....
    right now, i'm only focused on the overall mastering treatment, i don't think there's much he could do to affect the 'ess's' without harming the overall sonics.....
    thanks for listening!


    bob
    appreciate it man, those are kind words...


    morenoise
    thanks rik! headphones, check, are those your tracking/mixing headphones, or something else?


    zgraf
    appreciate the listen and comments....
    the song background:
    well, it's basically saying walk away from being depressed. it's kinda my psa for mental health. 

    "i stood right at the edge, and just walked away"
    "i've seen the dark deep hole, that drowns out the day,
    my spirit pulled me back again, i just walked away"


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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/23 16:02:25 (permalink)
    Very, yes very kicking nice polished sounding modern master.

    Playing and singing ain't bad either


    (Just for the record.  listening on passive Event 20/20's on isolation cones on Sand filled speaker stands with floor spikes, moderate sound treatment and trapping.)

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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/23 18:15:00 (permalink)
    wookie!!

    lots of treatment there, good for you!!
    (thanks for adding the system info into it)

    isolation cones?
    i prefer ice cream cones.

    i know this isn't as loud as typical rock releases, even tho it's rock style.

    think that'll matter, to whoever may want to get this release?

    i'll have these on ITunes, eventually, but honestly, i don't buy music that way, and don't know how people feel about having a super loud tune come on their IPOD, followed by a softer one......



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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/23 18:40:22 (permalink)
    Damn!  You're good man.  Awesome production.  Can I buy at leat one of your ears from you?!!

    Great vibe.  Love the right/left guitar lines.  Excellent vocal work.  I thought the vocals could come up a tad, but then I'm an old guy.

    Very cool, love the vocal break just past the mid-point.  And of course I love the harmony guitars, one of my weaknesses.

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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/23 18:42:05 (permalink)
    batsbrew


    scotty
    thanks for listening.
    if you don't mind me asking, what is your monitoring setup?
    are you in a treated room?



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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/24 02:00:08 (permalink)
    Mix is most excellent (top shelf rock) to my ears, as are vibes and performances, but I don't agree that the headroom micro-dynamics (RMS-peak) are too narrow ... despite my instinct to turn down the volume twice (1st listen)

    To my ears, there is a consistent loudness race and excellent ear-candy that fatigues my ears (late at night).

    So for late night listening (ha ha), I'd ponder rests, quieter lines (verses), and incremental-build-ups (wider macro-dynamic)s might help this piece for the late listening in my home.  But for daytime balls-to-the wall aerobics, this may be perfect.

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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/24 06:06:29 (permalink)
    Hi BB, sounds great on cheap headphones . Senheisser HD202 for general listening and AKG540
    for tracking/mixing. Bass is a bit light on the Senheisser but spot-on on the Akg.

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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/24 10:16:09 (permalink)
    This sounds so amazing!  The guitar fill-in/solos reminds me of Boston.  The bass sounds amazing.

    It is quite a long song, about 6 minutes?

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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/24 10:38:15 (permalink)
     
    Excellent vocal work.  I thought the vocals could come up a tad, but then I'm an old guy.

    Excellent job all the way around!
     
    I do agree with Daryl that the vox could come up a tad as they seem to be a bit burried while listening on my system. This is just the way it translates on my setup.
     
    I'm using Yamaha NS-6390 3-way monitors set on Auralex sound pads. My room is also treated with professionally installed sound absorbers and bass traps.
     
    Hope this helps.
     
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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/24 18:38:01 (permalink)

    darylcrowley
    thanks man, i appreciate it.

     
    scotty
    thanks for that update, it does help to know what kind of systems are translating.


    philip
    balls to the walls.
    yes.
    that's what we want here.
    HEHE 

    of course, i've got other songs that are mellower than this, and i've scattered some acoustic stuff and ballady stuff, as well as an instrumental, so it does have a ride to it... the vibe, of the whole project.
    still trying to make an album that works from beginning to end.
    this is just the rowdiest song of the bunch, so i figured i'd use IT for the template. at least for establishing max volumes, and overall eq.


    morenoise
    thanks rik. it's funny how different every headphone, speaker, translates.


    vechung
    thanks vicente.... and yes, this is the longest song on the album.
    most of the others are 3-5 at most, the opening song is only 2:30. this one's slated to be #2, and a 3 minute song behind that....


    peter
    thanks for listening.....sounds like you've got a good setup there for monitoring.
    you know, the vox mix decisions, are just a personal thing. i've got hotter vox in certain spots, and hotter in other songs..... so it's one of those things that is more a 'feel' thing to me, than whether or not the standard 'hot vox' mix that you hear on pop songs, or radio tunes, is happening...
    i like the vox to be more a part of the band at times.....a melody instrument....
    and sometimes, i just really want to engage the lazy listener!
     heheh
    you know what i mean?
    people are so used to listening to stuff in the background...
    i'd prefer your full attention.

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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/24 19:17:25 (permalink)
    Top shelf..... translates well on my laptop. 

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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/26 15:10:39 (permalink)
    thanks timidi.....

    been trying some alternate mixes this weekend, new files to the ME.............

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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/26 15:51:06 (permalink)
    Sweet!!!  :) I'm listening on a fairly nice laptop on fairly cheap headphones.  :)  I love it!
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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/26 16:12:20 (permalink)
    on the computer speakers it sounds good, I can hear it all clearly.

    I'll have a listen later with some cans and buds.

    Nice job on the tune.

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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/27 11:31:57 (permalink)
    janet
    glad you enjoyed it! cheap headphones, you know, there are probably more of THOSE out there, than anything else! thanks.....


    G.H.
    appreciate the listen. let me know how the headphones work out...


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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/27 13:28:48 (permalink)
    Nice mix, it's all there, and from what I can hear it's translating just fine.
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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/27 17:03:45 (permalink)
    As always, your playing is most excellent!!! The singing is smackin good!!

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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/27 20:16:07 (permalink)
    Translates superfine so now I`m walking away LOL!!!!!


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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/28 01:48:11 (permalink)
    I freakin' LOVE this tune. Sounds fantastic. I'm listening on cheap Studiophile SP- 5's and I'd like to hear just a titch more high mid on the rythm guits. But hey, I'll never be able to make my stuff sound this good so what do I know. Vocal harmonies are SICK.

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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/28 10:20:40 (permalink)
    Hi Bats,

    I love the tune, the playing and the mix. However, and please don't kill me here...but on all my monitors, I find the low end a bit boomy and muddy over here. Like sometimes the bass just engulfs everything over here bro. It's all audible, but if it were me personally, I'd have to tighten up that bass a bit. Sometimes it just really leaps out at me and kills the vibe for me. Like...lack of multiband limiting or something and maybe a slight curb at 80Hz is where I would start.

    As far as the loudness, I had no problems with any of that. It's loud, proud and consistent but not to the point of being non-dynamic. I'm just not a fan of either that bass guitar tone or what the ME did to the low end. I dig the drums, the kick, snare is always present, guitars are killer, voices sound great...there's just something in that low end that's just not right to my ears. I hope you don't find any of this offensive...I'm honestly trying to help out here and totally respect your skills. :) Best of luck.

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    Re:TRIAL MASTER- how's it translating? 2011/06/29 10:30:44 (permalink)

    philz
    thanks phil, appreciate the time to scope this out for me.


    studiocat
    thanks man! tryin' to mellow my playing out a bit, to be more melodic.
    but i still have some 'crazy' in me, trying to get out!


    alkie
    heheh, thanks alkie, don't walk to far tho.



    picklebunker
    studiophiles, check.
    you know, i've been up and down with the idea of brighter guitars.... and i DID go there!!
    lol
    with more mids, highs, but ultimately, over time, it sounds good the first time i hear it that way, and then it starts to get old. maybe my ears get tired too quick. but i kind of have this idea, of trying to mix rock guitars so that they have girth and grunge, but no harsh. and that's tough, cuz face it...
    electric guitars were INVENTED to sound harsh!!
    LOL
    well, compared to, say, an acoustic, or a clarinet.
    tho i gotta say, i've heard some clarinet solos at some greek weddings that were pretty harsh.



    danny
    appreciate the critique.
    i'll go back and focus on that low end, around 80, see if i can get that smoothed out.
    i should probably post the unmastered mix, to help determine if it's my mix, or the mastering treatment.
    it sounds smooth on my system.
    big in the low end, yes, but not boomy.


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