TTS1 no playback?

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2012/11/17 18:13:09 (permalink)

TTS1 no playback?

So I got the TTS-1 to record thru my QX25 and I can see the MIDI track bits but it doesn't play back?
Not muted, no meter showing.

Question 2 = Why does the first instrument also play thru my keyboard when I change input channel to midi 3?


post edited by M_Glenn_M - 2012/11/17 18:22:10


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    SuperG
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    Re:TTS1 no playback? 2012/11/17 18:28:35 (permalink)
    Can you see the notes in the track after you have recorded them?


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    Re:TTS1 no playback? 2012/11/17 18:29:36 (permalink)
    G'day Glenn
    Have you set the output within the TTS?  
    From memory (I don’t use it these days because of the 24/96 buggness) Click systems / Options / then set outputs

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    Re:TTS1 no playback? 2012/11/17 19:05:59 (permalink)
    Super G -Yes the little midi bars representing notes are in the track.
    GlennP- I have the TTS1 GUI up but see no place on it to set systems/Options/ output.

    Maybe I need to go right back to setting up a track?
    I just went to the browser and chose insert synth/TTS1 and ok to the simple instrument track.
    It created a track with parameters to set.
    Input = Alesis Omni
    Output=my sound card (BR800)
    Midi Channel 1 (set for sax, and it plays)
    Bank = 15488 preset normal 0
    Patch = none



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    Re:TTS1 no playback? 2012/11/17 19:21:29 (permalink)
    In the GUI look at right hand side from top down
    Panic
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    Effect
    System… Click it and system setting window opens
     
    Click “options” at bottom right hand side and “options” opens
     
    select your outputs from here 


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    Re:TTS1 no playback? 2012/11/17 19:47:04 (permalink)
    I think this may have something to do with the settings in your track inspector.  You need to set the MIDI channel with the drop down menu under the FX bin to access the different channels in TTS-1.
     
    Have you used multitimbral synths in X1 before?  I only ask this because I don't want to be giving you advice that you already understand and waste your time.

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    Re:TTS1 no playback? 2012/11/17 20:15:47 (permalink)
    Nothing is wasted here. No, other than I did get SI stings and bass to work, I have no experience with soft synths.
    I have just picked up a MIDI keyboard and am in the very early stage of learning about MIDI and all it's bewildering options.
    The TTS1 just happened to be the first one I found that had some horn options.
    Ok got the TTS1 System Options Outputs. They are all checked on output 1 by default. 
    Still no playback tho.
    What should they be?

    What should the I,O,C,B & P be set at in the track header?


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    Re:TTS1 no playback? 2012/11/17 20:39:09 (permalink)
    I don't think System thing is anything to do with it.
     
    Make sure the MIDI tab is selected in the Inspector.
     
    Click on the "C" under the FX bin and choose which channel of the TTS-1 you want that track to access.
     
    Alter the sound in TTS-1 by left clicking on the part's name (Piano1, by default, on all tracks) and choosing your sound from Presets, wind, etc.
     
    If you want to use another sound, insert a MIDI track, select TTS-1 as output at the bottom, click on "C" again and choose another TTS-1 channel, and so on.
     
    I hope that helps.
     
    It's been a long time since I've used TTS-1, so I may not be 100 per cent right.
     
    Shout back how you get on, or PM me if I can help more.
     
    Oh, and don't expect the brass to sound like "The Phoenix Horns" or "Birth of the Cool".

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    Re:TTS1 no playback? 2012/11/17 21:05:00 (permalink)
    Maddening.
    There is even stuff happening on the meter during playback but nothing thru the speakers when i solo the track.
    Solo off, I hear all the audio tracks fine.
    the sound is fine playing thru the keyboard
    It records  fine but the MIDI track does not playback.


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    Re:TTS1 no playback? 2012/11/17 21:17:01 (permalink)
    You selected "Simple Instrument Track" when you inserted TTS-1, yes?
     
    Set input to "AllInputsMIDIOmni"
     
    Set output to "TTS-1"
     
    Set MIDI Channel to "1" or "omni"
     
    Having looked at your settings listed above, I think the parameter I've written in bold is the problem.
     
     
    If that doesn't help, try Re-inerting TTS-1 and shift-dragging MIDIclip to it, and repeating abve.
     
     
    It's gone 2A.M. here, so I'm off to bed. Hope you sort it out

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    Re:TTS1 no playback? 2012/11/17 22:04:59 (permalink)
    Tts-1 only works when your project is set to 44.1. If your project settings are higher, you have to go in to tts-1's options and select 'Light Load'. This has to be set each time you open the project, or freeze. Its a bug, but i doubt it will ever be addressed. Hope this helps.

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    Re:TTS1 no playback? 2012/11/18 01:16:23 (permalink)
    yep outputs to tts-1 (Inspector view)and driver settings to 44.1- but no playback sound.
    Here's my setup
    https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24683934/tts1.jpg
    Note there is no option to output to tts1 in the track header list.
    Only in the Inspector view.
    The meter jumps when a midi note is passed but no sound.
    If I play a key on the controller a note is played.

    When I first plugged in my Alesis to the USB port, it just said "found the device" but I never had to install any driver. Could that be part of this or would that be normal?


    Is there a preferable soft synth to TTS-1 for horns and keys that is included in X1 producer Expanded? I hear several say they don't use it.


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    Re:TTS1 no playback? 2012/11/18 07:38:52 (permalink)

    Yes bub is correct about the Bugs in TTS-1
    I spent a lot of time and effort formulating a work around for this issue back in Oct 2010
    http://forum.cakewalk.com...2303&high=mysonar8

    also I reported it… Strange but nothing was done to fix this BUG!

    Yep, Dimension Pro has IMO excellent brass sections, but be warned it can be a rough journey to make it stable. 
    A quick forum search will confirm this buggieness going back to 8.5 maybe further. And the efforts people had to go to, to install it properly.
    Best I just leave it at that.


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    Re:TTS1 no playback? 2012/11/18 08:14:59 (permalink)
    If TTS-1 is working when you play it, it has nothing to do with setting your project to 44.1  Just out of interest, is your project set to 44.1?
     
    I have never found Dim Pro unstable, and use it all the time.  I'm not saying that some people don't have issues, but the majority are fine.
     
    I'm still thinking about what may be causing your problems, and will post back later.

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    Re:TTS1 no playback? 2012/11/18 13:02:57 (permalink)
    Yes the project is at 44.1 and thanks for persisting here.
    Remember I'm such a nube to MIDI and soft synths that it could be something very obvious.

    Your comment about outputs to be to TTS-1 is confusing and may be a clue because that is not a drop-down option here. So I set it to master.

    Another odd thing is, altho there is no sound, sometimes the meter works and sometimes it doesn't.


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    Re:TTS1 no playback? 2012/11/18 13:53:46 (permalink)
    If you look at the inspector (usually docked on left - press "I" if it's not there), there ar two Tabs - "MIDI" and "Audio" at the bottom.
     
    If you click the audio Tab, at the bottom left it should display the track number, and above that the Output, which should be set to "Master".  I leave Input as "AllInputsOmni".
     
    You set the Input and output by left clicking and choosing the appropriate option from the drop down menu.
     
    If you click the "MIDI" Tab, the Output should be set to 'a number' & "Cakewalk TTS-1".
     
     
    Did you try re-inserting TTS-1 and shift-dragging your MIDI onto new track?  I know people have reported some odd behavior from simple instrument tracks before, so it's worth a try.

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    Re:TTS1 no playback? 2012/11/18 14:55:54 (permalink)
    Yes in the Inspector,in the Audio tab, the Input has always been AllinptOmni.
    and the Output was always master.
    And Yes, with the MIDI tab, the In is Allinput and the Out is 2CkwlkTTS1

    Sigh. it seems everything is right except the playback of the midi channel.

    I tried the copy track to no avail.
    I erased everything MIDI and started over but with the exact same results.
    I guess I'll try another synth. I've looked at a few but see no brass or other "real" sounds, only loads of very strange sounds. 

    Any suggestions on a synth with a set of "real" sounds?



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    Re:TTS1 no playback? 2012/11/18 15:08:49 (permalink)
    If you are using instruments tracks don't. Simply use the browser to create a soft synth folder and have the synth on its own track. You can have the  MIDI track made by this process but its not necessary. If you have a track for MIDI record some data into it or use MIDI loops. Be sure that that MIDI track outs to the TTS-1 synth but also be sure to set the channel to 1 on that track. In TTS-1 select a patch for the first channel.  Now try to play back and see what happens. 

    The MIDI track should show MIDI activity in the MIDI meters and the audio trackfrom the TTS-1 should show audio happening on its meters. You should hear something if you have that audio track routed to your sound card or master buss. 

    If you have questions please ask.  

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    Re:TTS1 no playback? 2012/11/18 15:09:42 (permalink)
    a few suggestions to help isolate the problem:

    1. Right-click the Simple Instrument track, and choose Split Instrument Track so you can see MIDI and Audio meters and other parameters easily (in lieus of switching between MIDI and Audio tabs at the bottom of the Inspector view)

    2. Click one of the Preview buttons (musical note icon) at the bottom  of a channel in the TTS-1 GUI to see if you're getting audio output.

    3. Make sure you have the "Prepare Using" buffer set to 500ms  under Preferences > MIDI > Playback and Recording. The default of 250 is too low for some systems, and can result in dropped MIDI notes or even completely silent tracks on playback while live MIDI input echo works fine.

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    Re:TTS1 no playback? 2012/11/18 16:05:01 (permalink)
    Ok, Thanks for keeping at this guys. I think you got it.
    Starting clean.
    Set Buffers to 500 (It was 50 in attempts to reduce latency.)
    I suspect this is the root cause because I was successful in the end.
    Here's my process just in case I missed something.
    1. Erased all midi tracks and synths.
    2. Browser, Insert Synth, Cakewalk TTS1, enter
    3. Options popup, Simple Instrument track, Synth property Page and Recall Assignable Controls are enabled, enter as ok
    4. TTS1 pops up and a track with a keyboard icon is installed
          4a-The track header has I=Omni, O= Master, C=none, B=Bank with no selections, P= none.
          4b-The Inspector- 
    Midi tab has I=Omni (changed to Allinputs Omni)  & O=2CkwlkTTS1-1
    Audio tab has I = Allinputs omni and O= Master.
    5. Play the keyboard using the default piano and it plays.
    6. switch windows to here to write this
    7. switch back to sonar and it no longer plays thru keyboard.WTF???
    8. play the song, and the keyboard now works again. whew.
    9. click TTS1 CH1 sound and change to Alto Sax., It plays the sax. yay.
    10. set track to record, hit record and it does leave the little MIDI deer droppings indicating it recorded midi.
    11. playback and it PLAYS!!
    12. do a second track and it plays too. 
    I'm off to the races.
    Thanks so much guys. It was all about which one of the gazillion settings needed tweaking. Simple. Lol
                                




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    Re:TTS1 no playback? 2012/11/18 16:07:59 (permalink)
    Glad you got it sorted.

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