TTS1's unruly behaviour - solved!

If you set the Bank and Patch parameters for a MIDI track, those values will be used to set the Bank and Patch for the TTS-1. Make sure those parameters are set to Bank: --- and Patch: None. Then your settings in the TTS-1 interface will remain unchanged.

Scott

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I'm guessing that you are running two midi tracks through the same instance of TTS1. If that is true, I also have experienced some odd crossover, at least I did with SONAR 8. I went to using only one midi track per instance of TTS1, and things then worked smoother for me. I don't know about X2 (haven't tried multiple midi tracks per synth there yet).

There might be a better answer to your problem - Scott's bank/patch response for example - But I just prefer to have it all separated anyway - easier to mix. 

For each midi track, there is a Midi Output Channel that you can set.  Leave the input set to None (omni).

Sonar will then pick up the midi input from whatever controller you are playing, and for a given track will then route the midi back to TTS-1 on the midi output channel you set for that track.

So, if you have Piano and Bass on TTS-1's first two instruments, they will be set automatically in TTS-1 to channels 1 and 2.  When you then go to your two associated midi tracks, you would set the midi output channel for the piano midi track to be channel 1, and the midi output channel for the bass midi track to midi channel 2, with everything routed to TTS-1.

Then if you select the Piano midi track, Sonar will by default auto-enable echo on and when you play your midi controller, Sonar will route that output to TTS-1, on midi channel 1, and you should hear piano.

Doing the above for the Bass midi track should then result in TTS-1 playing the bass sound on midi channel 2.

Bob Bone

Rbecker-- TTS-1 will play 16 channels of MIDI. there is no reason to use 2 instances unless you need different EFX, (there is only 2). 
I'm surprised Scott missed the obvious which is a common mistake of not understanding Channels. 

Cactus Music

Rbecker-- TTS-1 will play 16 channels of MIDI. there is no reason to use 2 instances unless you need different EFX, (there is only 2). 
I'm surprised Scott missed the obvious which is a common mistake of not understanding Channels. 

I just assumed, which is never a good idea. 


Scott

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fanton


 Thank you, friends! This is exactly what I was looking for and was unable to identify! In this isolated case I have actually managed to put both tracks on the same TTS1-channel providing that unwelcome link between tracks. In almost all other projects the input routine apparently took care of this trap and the instruments are neatly laid on different channels. Thanks again, I have learned the difference between "1CkwlkTTS1" and "2CkwlkTTS1" the hard way! Fritz

@fanton: As the original poster of this thread, you have the ability to edit the original post's subject line.  would you please edit that first post for this thread, and add the word 'solved' tp the subject?  That will let folks know that the issue was resolved prior to reading all the way down a thread thinking they need to help diagnose the issue.  (sort of a nice etiquette kind of thing).


Glad this got worked out for you, 

Bob Bone

I set up this info a few years back.....see if this helps you any.... it's how to get TTS to play 3 instruments from one instance. Understand that FR refers to my interface and I use channel 6 to transmit form my keyboard. Omni or any other channel will work where you see channel 6. The channel shown in the track does need to be different since it is referring to the TTS channel which is not the same as the MID channel my synth is transmiting on..... don't let that confuse you. 


ADVANCED TTS set up and operation.

You only need one instance of TTS to be able to play 16 different midi tracks as 16 different instruments. In this demo I will explain just how you accomplish this by starting with 3 midi tracks and one instance of TTS.

So…open a new project ( I opened a normal project and deleted the audio track and then inserted the midi tracks needed and then inserted the soft synth) and insert 3 midi tracks and one instance of TTS. I have:
 Track 1 midi piano
 Track 2 midi bass
 Track 3 midi strings
 Track 4 Cakewalk TTS1-1 (audio track this is where TTS lives in this project)

Use the track icons…it makes it ease to know what track you are working on.


Understand that this is just a basic setup of TTS to show you how to setup multiple instruments in one instance of TTS and get it all working.

Set Track 1 (piano)

Input FR channel 6
Output 2-Cakewalk TTS1-1
Channel 1
Key 0
Bank & patch = piano

Set track 2 (bass)

Input FR channel 6
Output 2-Cakewalk TTS1-1
Channel 2
Key -12
Bank & patch = bass

Set track 3 (strings)

Input FR channel 6
Output 2 Cakewalk TTS1-1
Channel 3
Key 0
Bank & patch = strings


A NOTE about my set up..... Notice that all 3 tracks are using the same input....FR channel 6. (Focusrite=FR) This allows all three channels to “hear” the midi keyboard which I have set to transmit on channel 6.
I could set each channel input to a different channel. By doing so I have to change the midi keyboard to transmit on that channel....none of the other channels will hear it, and that can be very useful in recording as you will see shortly.

By setting all 3 channels to the same midi input channel (channel 6) I am able to play all the parts into the three channels with out changing the midi transmit channel on my DX27S. I arm track 1 and record my parts doing the same for the next two tracks. Since the outputs are set to different channels they are sending their midi data to different channels in the TTS synth. The synth looks at the channel number, and routs that data to that channel and applied the patch & bank info you assigned to it and it carries out those instructions. The result is that you hear 3 different instruments playing from your speakers.

And why would one compress a Midi instrument? 
I sometimes wonder if people using the TTs-1 ever explore the options you can access via the GUI mixer, Like the one Bitflipper just mentioned. 
Just a note on using that, You have to have inserted the synth with multi channel output first, or only one sub mix is available. Basically,  the Mixer can have 4 stereo buses which gives you more control.  

The other overlooked option is you can completely set up your ideal little band with all your preferred patches, You can even tweak the sound of the patches. Then you can save that for easy recall. It can be save as part of a template. 
All I have to do is insert a new midi track and point it's output to TTS-1 - CH3 and I know it will be organ4, with chorus and reverb set the way I like it. CH-1 is piano, Ch- 9 Strings and so on.   This habit of having channels that I always assign the same instrument too goes way back to the 80's for me. I still never use CH 13  thru 16 for instruments as that was for my EFXs and stuff. CH 16 is reserved for the Yamaha 01v controllers.      

I'm not following....Sound Center and TTS-1 are both soft synths and require a similar routing.
You can not route audio to Sound Center, it receives MIDI and plays the respective patches through an audio track. Or am I just misunderstanding your description ? ...maybe so..

The signal routing for soft synths is:
MIDI track (MIDI from keyboard or imported MIDI track)  > soft synth > audio track (input from soft synth, output to master bus). So it's the MIDI-channel that you choose in the MIDI track that decides what sound in a multitimbral soft synth is being launched. Audio tracks have no role regarding the MIDI signal, they just reproduce what the soft synth sends to them.

You can't hear MIDI anyway, because it has no sound....You have not mentioned having any audio in your project, only TTS-1 and Sound Center, which both use MIDI, so I don't understand this " I can not hear audio and MIDI together".

The word 'instrument' may be a bit confusing in the case of multi-timbral synth/player.

To Sonar, the TTS-1 is the instrument, but this has nothing to do with any actual musical instruments like trumpets, pianos or cymbals that are being played by the TTS-1.

I'm also new to all this midi stuff and I find it simpler and easier to understand to create the components separately. For example, I insert a synth (eg. TTS-1) to the synth rack with nothing attached (uncheck all the boxes in the form). Then insert as many midi tracks as are needed to control the different channels (musical instruments) in the synth. Then insert as many audio tracks as are needed to receive the output of the synth.

Finally go through everything and set the appropriate ins, outs and channels.

Just like you'd do in the hardware world.

I imagine that the Insert Synth dialog does all of this for you in various configurations, and I may end up letting it set things up for me, but for now I have little idea what the different options actually do. The simple instrument track for one is obscure in that it hides some of the created components from sight.