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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
November 06, 10 3:57 PM
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Beagle mysonar8 wish I could get it to install.. I keep getting an error message well, you can't get help just by complaining. what is the error message? what exact steps are you using? what version of lame are you using? are you trying to use the lame executable or the raw code? we'll have to have details to help you instead of just "wish I could get it to install." Yeah I realize that...but I wrote that to see if anybody was going to help or not. I could have typed a long detailed message only to get a reply like, " yeah dude, LAME doesn't work with Sonar8.3." or something like that, or I could write a short message like "wish I could get it to install.. I keep getting an error message." in the hopes of getting a reply like this" What seems to be the problem, maybe i can help." Does that make any sense to do? and thanks rodc I will give that a try
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
October 31, 11 6:57 AM
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Ummm i dont know how many times ive tryed to install lame encoder with no success. Ive tryed everything mentioned. installing to c:\programfiles\cakewalk\shared c:\programfiles(x86)\cakewalk\shared C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared Utilities\External audio Encoders\ Nothing happends no matter what i get that error message everyone mentioned. Error loading lame mp3 encoder file might not have encoded right
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Re:TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
January 01, 13 10:14 PM
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I'm running SONAR 8.3 and cannot get LAME MP3 encoder to work follwing these instructions. After attempting an export "Save As" MP# file, the error message I get is to go to www.Calkwalk.com and unlock the encoder by purchasing an upgrade. ANyone have any tips?
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Re:TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
January 01, 13 11:15 PM
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SONAR comes with a 30 day trial for it's mp3 encoder. You can either purchase the license or use an external encoder. SONAR provides a way to launch an external encoder via Tools > Cakewalk External Encoder Config or export a wav and then encode the mp3.
The SONAR 8 DVD includes several pre-defined profiles for various encoders. These profiles can be found in the \Utilities\External Encoder Profiles folder. You can use these profiles as a starting point when creating your own profiles. Simply double-click the appropriate .reg file to add the information to the Windows registry, then use the 'Cakewalk External Encoder Config' utility to specify the correct install path of the encoder.
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Re:TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
January 02, 13 1:39 PM
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I installed the LAME MP3 encoder (ver. [ LAME MP3 Encoder 3.99.5) via the Cakewalk External Encoder Config. I placed all the LAME Encoder files into the Shared Utilities folder inside the PROGRAM folder of SONAR on my C Drive. Then restarted. Now, when i try to export a file and "save as" the new LAME MP3 encoder SOnar freezes. Now, it seems it has reeked havoc and nuked all my assignable MASTER routes. That is, when I go to the MASTER section of the track I was trying to export there are no MASTER route options. SONAR has lost all it's assigned tracked and busses and now is assigned to silent hardware. Please advise.
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
February 17, 14 1:42 PM
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Followed all steps and getting error. 1.Unable to Launch "Lame MP3 Encoder" Encoder 2.Warning: The External Encoder returned an error code. The File may not have encoded properly.
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
July 15, 15 12:18 AM
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SONAR has the same reasons as every other DAW for convoluting the mp3 export process. Its still a legal reality (c.2015). If you have successfully aligned LAME Mp3 encoder with free Audacity on your PC- load your product as a .wav into free Audacity and convert to an Mp3 there. As always- make back-ups. If you are sufficiently connected to the internet: https://cloudconvert.com stupid easy conversion Peace.
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
July 16, 15 11:44 AM
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Or you can use Sonar MP3 Patch which adds all the necessary information into Sonar so you can export direct from there free of charge and fully legal.
See the link in my signature for more information.
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
July 16, 15 11:58 AM
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I bought pyro for mp3 export and for it's various other uses. Turns out I've never used it to export mp3's but have used it extensively as a simple audio recorder. I intend to use it to digitize my music collection at some point too but but have never found the time. It's "library" set up is much preferable to the new WMP which is a freaking joke. Pyro seems to be setup more like the old WinAmp which is more my speed. Also has some decent correction tools as well. With that and Audacity installed on my laptop I can dork around with stereo files any way I want (without an interface) and not crush the system with full on DAWs like Sonar.
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
July 16, 15 1:09 PM
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
July 16, 15 1:17 PM
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Brando Old thread alert!
Yeah but probably still valid. Sonar 2015 still does not include MP3 export AFAIK and the LAME encoder is still the recommended free option. Not sure if the process is the same but I'm guessing it is. If not we could use this opportunity to maybe update the procedure? I haven't used/tried it so others would have to offer their advice. Kind of wondering now though whether my Pyro license got me the Cakewalk mp3 encoder or if they just tossed the LAME one in there (pretty sure it's the Cake encoder). And if it IS the Cake encoder maybe there is a LEGAL way to use that in Sonar 2015. Oh boy... I should just shut up and play my guitar. Cheers.
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
July 16, 15 1:26 PM
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All you have to do is buy Pro Audio 9 ...
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
July 16, 15 7:58 PM
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Yeah but probably still valid. Sonar 2015 still does not include MP3 export AFAIK and the LAME encoder is still the recommended free option. Not sure if the process is the same but I'm guessing it is. Yep, still valid. The process still works as described. There's also a few Youtube vids showing how to set this up as per these instructions.
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
July 16, 15 8:51 PM
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All you have to do is follow my instructions in the post a few back, and you'll have an integrated MP3 encoder with all 44 options that Lame makes available. Click the link in my signature and use Sonar MP3 patch by Aaron.
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
July 17, 15 1:42 AM
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All you have to do is follow my instructions in the post a few back, and you'll have an integrated MP3 encoder with all 44 options that Lame makes available. Click the link in my signature and use Sonar MP3 patch by Aaron. Nice. Looks like this has been around for a while - I've never noticed! Thanks Mike!
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
July 17, 15 5:31 AM
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Last I heard from Aaron was in about 2012. He'd been away for a while because he'd had a heart attack. I've tried all his contacts and haven't heard from him . I hope he's OK. His utility is the best around and should be the go to for anyone who wants to have an MP3 encoder installed in Sonar any version.
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
July 17, 15 11:21 AM
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Aaron's utility is useful to an extent, but it doesn't have ID3 Info support. I hope he's OK, though. EDIT OK, I wasn't aware, but Aaron's MP3 Patch has limited id3 info support (three fields of id3 info), but you can't enter id3 info inside SONAR. You have to enter the id3 info before you apply the patch. Heck, it's only like $9.99 now to get the activation for the Cakewalk MP3 Encoder. And ID3 info encoding is comprehensive. I think it would be worth it, just to buy the activation. The free stuff is lacking in it's feature set and/or doesn't have the convenience to be used without leaving SONAR.
post edited by thomasabarnes - July 17, 15 2:13 PM
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
July 17, 15 11:39 AM
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Thanks, Mike. Don't know Aaron but I too hope he is well.
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
July 17, 15 7:37 PM
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Last I heard from Aaron was in about 2012. He'd been away for a while because he'd had a heart attack. I've tried all his contacts and haven't heard from him . I hope he's OK. Well looking at the softpedia comments page, it says that Aaron (Bewza) responded to another user in April 2015. Unless there's two Aaron Bewzas.
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
July 18, 15 2:31 AM
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I haven't seen that. I've left messages there but obviously haven't been uploaded by the moderator there. Each message is evaluated for suitability. Perhaps my message was to personal.
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
July 18, 15 2:52 AM
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thomasabarnes Aaron's utility is useful to an extent, but it doesn't have ID3 Info support. I hope he's OK, though. EDIT OK, I wasn't aware, but Aaron's MP3 Patch has limited id3 info support (three fields of id3 info), but you can't enter id3 info inside SONAR. You have to enter the id3 info before you apply the patch. Heck, it's only like $9.99 now to get the activation for the Cakewalk MP3 Encoder. And ID3 info encoding is comprehensive. I think it would be worth it, just to buy the activation. The free stuff is lacking in it's feature set and/or doesn't have the convenience to be used without leaving SONAR.
I should really have mentioned that it is the best of any free version that can be connected to Sonar. With the Platinum update to MP3 export features a lot of people aren't aware of the improvements. Aaron's patch is sort of obsolete except for any die hard who won't fork out the $10 to use the Cakewalk one which is also permanent as each subsequent version always picks it up.
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
July 18, 15 3:55 AM
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Roger Mudgel. I hear you. I'm gonna update to Platinum sooner or later. Also, I went to softpedia and saw the reply Vern C mentions. It's good he's been active somewhere 3 months ago. And hope he's OK at present. He also wrote of plans (under Future Plans) for some extensive ID3 info encoding updates on his to-do list. See: http://www.autohotkey.com/board/topic/66927-aarons-sonar-mp3-patch-v564/ He says he's been waiting for some command line bug to be fixed in SONAR. He hasn't had much luck in getting X3 running well for him, according to what he wrote in the comment post at softpedia I linked to above. So, it makes me wonder if the thing he asserted to be a bug has been fixed, and if he still plans to make updates to his Patch. Anyway, his patch is a good freeware for SONAR users who don't have the Cakewalk MP3 Encoder activated in SONAR. Edit: Oh yeah, the change log for his Patch reflects versions up to 5.6.5.0. I don't see a working download for any version pass 5.6.3.0. The download for the 5.6.4.0 version available via one of the links I posted above is for version 5.6.4.0, but the download link doesn't work for me. And according to the change log 5.6.4.0 and 5.6.5.0 were released in March 2012.
post edited by thomasabarnes - July 18, 15 4:24 AM
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
July 18, 15 4:08 AM
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I've asked again that he contacts me and maybe this time he will.
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
July 19, 15 2:05 AM
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Thanks, mudgel for posting this! Hey guys, I know this seems way too complicated, but don't give up, Lame happens to be an excellent encoder that produces very high quality output. It's just a little opaque, having been developed by nerdy Unix people (which I once was.) For most people, the settings you really need are actually pretty simple. You should create a system restore point before you starting copying files anywhere into the programs subtree. That way, if something gets munged up it's a quick restore to fix it. First, I downloaded the zip containing the 64 bit binary files. I then extracted all the files and dropped them in C:\Program Files\Lame. Once that was done, I set things up in the external encoding utility dialog: For Path, I put C:\Program Files\Lame For the Command Line, I have this: lame -V0 --tt %T --tg "Rock" --tl "My Awesome Album Name" --ta "My Awesome Band Name" %I %O The first thing to understand is that the %T, %I and %O names are placeholders for values that Sonar will provide when Lame runs. You can see the various attribute names and their meanings at the bottom of the external encoder dialog. %T The song title from the the project info dialog %I The name of the WAV file that Sonar generates when you export audio; this will be the input to Lame. %O The name of the MP3 file that Lame will generate. Next are the parameters to control the Lame encoding: -V is the parameter that specifies the quality setting for Variable Bit Rate. It defaults to 4, and decimal values can be specified, like: 4.51 0 is the highest quality but produces bigger files. 9.999 provides the lowest quality with much smaller files. Since file size matters very little to me, I use 0, the highest quality setting. 1 and 2 also produce very good output with somewhat smaller sizes. Experiment to see what balance you're happy with. Next are the parameters that specify how to tag your music file with information useful to the user. You can specify the title, the artist name, the album name, you can even embed an image of your album art in the file. This data is used by music services and media players to show the user. Note that these parameters start with two dashes "--". They won't work with one. Ask me how I know. The lame settings I use are: --tt %T - this tells Lame to use the title provided by Sonar. You can also just enter a literal name like, "My Awesome Song". --tg "Rock" - this tags the genre as "Rock". This comes from a list in the help docs, or you can run Lame from the command line to get a list, like this: lame --genre-list --tl "My Awesome Album Name" - the album name. I change this a lot, obviously. --ta "My Awesome Band Name" - the name of the artist. I also change this as needed. And that should produce a very good sounding MP3 tagged with useful information about your song. For most of us it's really all we need unless your sending the file to some service with very specific requirements. Whatever those may be, Lame can no doubt do them, it's really very capable. I hope this helps you!
post edited by kevinwal - July 19, 15 2:20 AM
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
July 19, 15 2:24 AM
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That's a great resource but you know for most folks it's just as easy to pay $9.99 download a file, run it and it's all done for you. Especially since Cakewalk have upgraded to Lame v 3.99 during the Platinum cycle sometime.
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
July 19, 15 11:01 AM
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mudgel That's a great resource but you know for most folks it's just as easy to pay $9.99 download a file, run it and it's all done for you. Especially since Cakewalk have upgraded to Lame v 3.99 during the Platinum cycle sometime.
Hey, ten bucks is ten bucks. :)
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
July 19, 15 11:16 AM
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Yeh that's true. So for anyone in that situation there's this way. Despite the best of explanations, there are many folks who seem to have a problem getting it to work for them.
I might try putting a few of the tutorials or procedures to the test and see how well they work. Maybe they can be improved on.
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
July 19, 15 6:45 PM
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I have my share of problems with the external encoder utility. Sometimes when I select the lame entry in the list none of the fields change from what was selected before so I have to re-type everything all over again to prevent the wrong data from being written. Am I the only one to experience this?
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mudgel
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
July 19, 15 7:19 PM
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I've been using the Cakewalk one for quite a few years now but I used the external setup until about Sonar 8.
I'll have to see what I can do. Obviously I'll have to temporarily uninstall the Cakewalk MP3 encoder. That will need a bit of checking out first.
I'll get back to you.
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Re: RE: TUTORIAL: Getting LAME MP3 Encoder to Work With SONAR
July 19, 15 7:32 PM
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Ive had settings partially change, but only if i select the export, but then cancel out of it. When i next run it, i see all the settings except bit are the same and must adjust it... But if i allow the expirt to complete, the now current settings still remain in place.... Im a bit confused with the 3.99 update and yet again needing to get it enabled on my laptop... Strange here as i find the lame 3.99 fokder in shared utils, but it has not yet been enabled here while on my DAW, i dont see the folder but the cakewalk-supplied encoder is enabled and working... Might it be the 3.99 installed elsewhere? Can i check this somehow?. ...and once again can someone remind me how to go about activating? Im surprized that hasnt become built in at this point. Ive had it since the pro-audio release with it when mp3 wasnt as commonly needed... For so few dollars it really should be folded into the core! Keni
post edited by Keni - July 19, 15 7:40 PM
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