Take lanes / comping / popping & clicking

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2013/08/01 06:39:08 (permalink)

Take lanes / comping / popping & clicking

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Just after a quick bit of advice. Relatively new to this home recording (or any type of recording) malarkey and after working my way through X2 Power, I've been trying out a few of the functions of X2 that would appear incredibly useful on every track.... this one being take lanes.
 
So, first track I've used this on is a bass guitar. Recorded between 3 and 5 takes for each section of the song (verse, chorus etc.) and then picked out the best parts of each take, put them into a new take lane and deleted all the rest (lesson learnt there, just use mute/solo function to keep the parts I like).
 
So I'm left with a track with numerous clips all lined up nice and pretty, none overlapping, just sat next to each other. However, for obvious reasons I'm getting a lot of popping going from one clip to another.
 
I read up briefly (before the missus decided it's time to take our daughter to the beach) about cross fades but this indicated it's to be used for when there IS an overlap between clips. As I have no overlap and they line up perfectly, how best should I go about ridding the pops and clips? Or is my only hope recording it and using overlapping clips and a cross fade?
 
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    gswitz
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    Re: Take lanes / comping / popping & clicking 2013/08/01 06:53:25 (permalink)
    If you cut a clip at a place other than a 'zero crossing' then you can get a click sound when you listen. You know the wave form (up and down, like at the beach ;-) if the wave is at a high at the place where the clip starts, then you will hear a click. You can use the SNAP TOOL to find the ZERO CROSSINGS when slip editing the clip. You can also use fade clips feature to fade the ends of the clips if you want to not have to worry about zero crossings. A lot of us do both snap to zero crossings and then fade in for 3 milliseconds or some other short period.

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    Re: Take lanes / comping / popping & clicking 2013/08/01 07:36:36 (permalink)
    gswitz
    If you cut a clip at a place other than a 'zero crossing' then you can get a click sound when you listen. You know the wave form (up and down, like at the beach ;-) if the wave is at a high at the place where the clip starts, then you will hear a click. You can use the SNAP TOOL to find the ZERO CROSSINGS when slip editing the clip. You can also use fade clips feature to fade the ends of the clips if you want to not have to worry about zero crossings. A lot of us do both snap to zero crossings and then fade in for 3 milliseconds or some other short period.



    That's exactly how I do it.
     
    I have my alternate Snap Value ('N' key) set to a resolution of 1 Tick with Snap to Nearest Audio Zero Crossing enabled.
     
     

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    Re: Take lanes / comping / popping & clicking 2013/08/01 07:48:24 (permalink)
    When I'm splitting clips I always split at a zero crossing; but if I'm cropping the clip I just slide to where I want it, then use the cross fade.  I do it as a routine on every crop edit, probably overkill but that way I don't have clicks in the background that I may miss due to overlap with other tracks.

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    Re: Take lanes / comping / popping & clicking 2013/08/01 08:57:29 (permalink)
    Hi Damien,
     
    Take a look at page 104 in SONAR X2 Power! to read about zero crossings.
     
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    Re: Take lanes / comping / popping & clicking 2013/08/01 10:54:36 (permalink)
    Thanks for the responses guys! I did read about the zero crossing, unfortunately after I had split, edited and deleted all the original data, all I have now is a single track with all the different clips all lined up nice and pretty.
     
    Suppose we learn as we go, next time I'll be sure to use zero crossing and keep ALL track lanes, just mute/solo to get my complete track. 

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    Re: Take lanes / comping / popping & clicking 2013/08/01 12:41:32 (permalink)
    Just a note, trimming clips using the split tool is non-destructive. In other words, using the split tool to isolate and remove sections of a larger clip by hitting 'delete' does not delete the physical data. All you need to do is click-drag the end of the trimmed clip to 'uncover" the hidden audio.
     
    Unless you bounced the track or used "bounce to clips", opened up the project's audio folder in a windows explorer window, and deleted the original audio files, you don't loose your original audio data file.
     
    post edited by js516 - 2013/08/01 12:53:51

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