milbrave1953
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Takes the wind out of your sails
I like X1 overall, but it crashes a lot on me and nothing cramps the creative flow like having to reboot my computer 2-3 times while I'm working out a song. Very frustrating. Just thought a little venting would be therapeutic.
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Re:Takes the wind out of your sails
2011/07/04 08:43:04
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Is it your computer that crashes or Sonar? BIG difference
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milbrave1953
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Re:Takes the wind out of your sails
2011/07/04 08:51:34
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X1...It locks up ans even after I shut it down it is still running in the background and I can't even shut it off from the task manager...so...I have to reboot the computer.
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Re:Takes the wind out of your sails
2011/07/04 08:55:26
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Bristol_Jonesey Is it your computer that crashes or Sonar? BIG difference Not to a musician... It's only a big difference to to the computer. :-) Good Luck! best regards, mike
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Re:Takes the wind out of your sails
2011/07/04 09:17:09
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milbrave1953 X1...It locks up ans even after I shut it down it is still running in the background and I can't even shut it off from the task manager...so...I have to reboot the computer. So your just going to live with that? You don't want any help? Sorry that sounds a bit, well, weird to me. The only issue with X1 rashing I have had (and fixed) was midi related. Removed a cheap midi interface and magic. No crashes. If you post your issues and specs I am sure someone here will help you.
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milbrave1953
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Re:Takes the wind out of your sails
2011/07/04 09:22:15
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What was the cheap MIDI interface? I have a cheap MIDI interface, actually two: a Korg nano Kontrol and a AKAI LPK 25.
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milbrave1953
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Re:Takes the wind out of your sails
2011/07/04 09:25:45
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As for the issues, I can not see a definite pattern. It seems to crash at different times with different VST's etc.
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Re:Takes the wind out of your sails
2011/07/04 09:51:14
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Well mike_mccue is greatly helpful here. Sigh.. Anyway... I can see you are using the Korg Nano Control. I had some problems in the past with that stuff. The drivers for the Korg nano cotrol are a bit flakey (to put it mildly). Sometimes it wont release ports (or focus or something), letting the application hang forever. I had this happening with Cubase as well as Sonar (8.5 and X1). It would not surprise me if those drivers do some weird things. I have dished the Korg Nanocontrol and a wile ago and replaced it with the (also not very expensive) Behringer BCF2000. After that both applications behaved without problems... I do not say this is the culprit, but maybe it is a good idea to de-install the Korg drivers completely (you always can re-install them after the try-out), and disconnect the Nano Control. Be sure to reboot after de-installing! There are also a lot of other possibilities (like free, but bad designed plugins), Bad sound card drivers etc. etc.
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Re:Takes the wind out of your sails
2011/07/04 09:56:32
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The OP didn't ask for help... and I don't mind a bit of therapeutic venting. :-) Happy 4th!!! BTW, good catch with the KORG... I agree that the Korg is a good candidate for checking out. best regards, mike
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Re:Takes the wind out of your sails
2011/07/04 10:22:59
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milbrave1953 X1...It locks up ans even after I shut it down it is still running in the background and I can't even shut it off from the task manager...so...I have to reboot the computer. if yr audio interface is external, rebooting that is faster than rebooting the whole pc, good luck
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Re:Takes the wind out of your sails
2011/07/04 11:13:09
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I crash periodically too, and have using all the versions of X1. Even built a whole new computer, use Windows 7 64 now, and Sonar X1 64, reinstalled the latest drivers and versions of things and it still crashes at unpredictable times. So the cause is either Sonar or a faulty driver. It's kind of sad that out of the scores of software I use on various machines and OS's, Sonar is the only one that crashes (whether it's own fault or by proxy). Surely there has to be a way to prevent that by error-trapping. Adobe Photoshop doesn't crash when it communicates with my scanner. Sony Vegas Movie Studio HD doesn't crash when it communicates with my camcorder. [sigh] KEv
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Re:Takes the wind out of your sails
2011/07/04 11:36:48
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I don't think that talking to a scanner or a camcorder is a reasonable comparison. Real time processing puts stress on drivers and software that is orders of magnitude beyond normal device access. If you get crashes in Sonar, but not in other applications (using the same drivers at the same latency), you may be on to something.
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Re:Takes the wind out of your sails
2011/07/04 11:37:48
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Photoshop has got a notorious howler of a crash caused by having a network printer selected as a default, that's been in there for multiple versions. Just as a for-instance off the top of my head.
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Re:Takes the wind out of your sails
2011/07/04 11:40:29
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Unfortunately, I have to agree with the OP. I also see more crashes with X1 and the SONARPRD.EXE process also does not exit cleanly. I have as close to Cakewalk-recommended gear as anyone is likely to have and I still crash enough to where it definitely interrupts the creative process. Most crashes seem to be related to bitbridging (built-in 64-bit bridging), which is required for several major plug-in suites that haven't went fully 64-bit yet. I don't really fault Cakewalk for the less than rock solid bridging support as I know a lot of it is out of their hands. However, I do think X1 could handle errors better and not be allowed to bring down the whole DAW. -e.B
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Re:Takes the wind out of your sails
2011/07/04 11:57:03
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Hey eBlue. Have you tried jBridge? I wrapped my 32-bit usual suspects with that and most of the trouble with those plugs went away. Like magic. Or at least that's what it felt like.
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Re:Takes the wind out of your sails
2011/07/04 12:04:54
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There are some issues with the Sonitus VSTs and Waves and UAD VSTs residing in the same project. I stopped using the Sonitus plug ins and rarely get BitBridge hanging issues.
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Re:Takes the wind out of your sails
2011/07/04 17:23:53
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milbrave1953 What was the cheap MIDI interface? I have a cheap MIDI interface, actually two: a Korg nano Kontrol and a AKAI LPK 25. It was an edirol plastic UM-1S-USB midi. Had it hooked up to my Hardware SCVL88 (Sound Canvas) But never really used it. I could hardly get thru a project that had multiple softsynths. Everyone said raise the buffers, etc, etc. Which normally works. But in my case it didn't. I disconnected that stupid thing and haven't crashed since. I have M Audio Midisport 2X2 Anniversary. It's a USB midi also. That works fine. I actually took three projects that always crashed )more like motorboating and Sonar is not responding) Disconnected the Edirol usb midi-tested-all was well. Plugged it back in-same crashes. I did this 3 times to be sure.
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Re:Takes the wind out of your sails
2011/07/04 17:27:08
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ProjectM Hey eBlue. Have you tried jBridge? I wrapped my 32-bit usual suspects with that and most of the trouble with those plugs went away. Like magic. Or at least that's what it felt like. I did the same here-much better.
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Re:Takes the wind out of your sails
2011/07/04 17:43:06
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Well, I can sympathize with the OP, and a little venting is actually very healthy. It means you've taken a break from the problem too, which is almost always good for the mind when trouble-shooting. Assuming you're also troubleshooting. A DAW is a complex organism. Getting one fully functional with minimal problems means spending the time to ring it out properly. Drivers and hardware are almost always where gremlins exist that need to get sussed out. Lucky for us, the internet exists! I think the OP mentioned VSTs that seems to be a likely culprit, so I would start there. Check for updates, cross-check for other people having problems with them. If you're using 64-bit there is an additional layer of potential conflict with wrapping plugs and all that. Once you run it all down, you'll not only have a working rig, but the smug feeling of superiority until another problem comes along is a great reward for the psyche.
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Re:Takes the wind out of your sails
2011/07/04 19:42:58
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One thing you can do (and I know this isn't a real solution) is to get all SSD drives for your system. It's expensive right now, but well worth it in my opinion. Win7 boots up in less than a minute, and I can open a very large project with 3 synths and samplers and lots of audio in about 6 seconds or less. It makes X1 crashes alot more easy to deal with when you are back up and running in under a minute. If you can afford it I highly recommend them.
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Re:Takes the wind out of your sails
2011/07/04 19:47:22
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Or, I would disconnect all devices from your system and uninstall there drivers. Then start a new project with just audio and no plugins. Mess around and see if you can get it to crash. Then start adding 1 device at a time with the drivers, and mess around some more. Keep adding devices until you have them all working with no problems. Then do the same thing for all of your plugins. One by one. It may take some time but you can find the problem this way. Just be sure to spend some time with each one to make sure there are no crashes.
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Re:Takes the wind out of your sails
2011/07/04 22:45:37
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milbrave1953: i assure you thats not happening here ever, ask others to go over your setup with you !!!
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Re:Takes the wind out of your sails
2011/07/05 01:40:50
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milbrave1953 I like X1 overall, but it crashes a lot on me and nothing cramps the creative flow like having to reboot my computer 2-3 times while I'm working out a song. Very frustrating. Just thought a little venting would be therapeutic. When X1 first came out, when it would crash, you could ctrl alt del and shut it down without rebooting. When the X1a patch was released ctrl alt del wouldn't work anymore, you had to go back to doing a complete reboot. There's an old post floating around here where I and another forum member noticed this ... so ... it seems there is something Cakewalk can do on their end to make it so when X1 crashes it can be released from memory ... but something that they changed in the X1a patch undid it.
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