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2016/06/08 16:39:53 (permalink)

Tape Emulation plugins

Tape emulation in a digital realm is a very interesting subject to study. Please, share your thoughts on
1. How
2. When
3. Why
you use it, and
4. What is your favorite Tape Emulation plugin?

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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/08 17:34:19 (permalink)
I use tape emulation plugins on every track. I treat my signal flow like it's coming from multi-track > board inputs so the tape emulation is first for me.
Used to use ProChannel's tape emulation module but when I tried Slate's, boom, it reminded me of the days of owning a reel to reel studio.
Sounded just like it so that's what I use now.


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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/08 18:18:25 (permalink)
As Bob said, Slates VTM is the bomb...

I tried Waves J74 and liked it...but too expensive
even on sale.

IK's new Saturator X has Tape Emu also...

And the UAD Studder is probably quite good, but I don't own any
UAD plugins, so can't attest to that...

Waves Kramer Master tape is "Ok" but a CPU hog...

Ozone 7 Advanced's New Vintage Tape module is quite nice also...


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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/08 19:04:48 (permalink)
VTM. Always. Sound.
But trying to swap for Ozone Vintage Tape. Thanks for reminding me, Larro.

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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/08 20:56:30 (permalink)
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VTM. Always. Sound.
But trying to swap for Ozone Vintage Tape. Thanks for reminding me, Larro.

The physical iLok mostly doesn't work on my system. The dongle came up just long enough to move my licenses off of it, so...I have a bunch of Slate plugs that, for a consideration, I'd be willing to part with (VMR Complete (includes VCC), VTM, and VBC).
 
I sure wish Slate would permit iLok authorizations to a PC, like UVI and Softube. That works great for me. 

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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/08 21:04:34 (permalink)
I put Slate's VTM on every bus when mixing. Then when I mix down all of my audio tracks to a new mix, I'll add one more instance, usually with the opposite tape type that I used on the individual mixes. I used to use u-he Satin a lot, but I found that VTM has a more natural sound. However, Satin is still really useful if you want a more colored sound, using it kind of as an effect. 

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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/08 21:05:59 (permalink)
I use Waves Kramer Master Tape on my drum buss on every song and love the punchiness.
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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/08 21:43:10 (permalink)
Guyz , don t forget in ozone that you have the exiter witch has several modes including tape , and you can have different mix per band !

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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/09 07:12:27 (permalink)
I used to use Slate VTM on all tracks and liked it, but someone suggested I remove them from a mix and see what they were adding. The stereo field opened up considerably and things sounded more open. 
 
I do use UAD Ampex on the master all the time, and am now experimenting with UAD Oxide on tracks and buses, but not on all tracks or buses. For example, instead of using an instance on each tom track, I'm experimenting with just using one instance on a tom bus.
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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/09 08:26:01 (permalink)
I love slate and use it often but I also really like Satin by U-He, it can get the creative juice flowing!



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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/09 09:53:31 (permalink)
For something cheap, cheerful and effective, give Toneboosters 'Reelbus' a spin.

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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/09 10:38:56 (permalink)
Or NomadFactory Magnetic II, also a nice one.

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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/09 14:14:16 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Soundwise 2016/06/09 17:45:47
I just use the Tape Sim PC module in SONAR.   
 
However, I don't use it on everything, just tracks I think may benefit in the context of the song; e.g., maybe bass, organ or electric guitar, but rarely acoustic piano or vocals where I want to retain the best clarity and definition that I can.

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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/09 14:48:45 (permalink)
I sometimes add tape hiss to the preroll for a tune.

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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/09 14:48:54 (permalink)
To sum up what I've just read here
1. Two basic approaches
a) TE on every track.  It resembles a practice to record first and then mix off the record.
b) TE on every bus. Opposite to the above - mix first and then print to tape.
2. Always, every time. Seems like once you try a tape emulator, you never look back. But why?
3. Sounds nice, adds color and punch.  Nobody mentioned that tape emu is the easiest way to add subtle compression, saturation and color to you mix. But what if in the end, when you think your mix sounds awesome, you turn TE off and suddenly, as smallstonefan said,
smallstonefan
The stereo field opened up considerably and things sounded more open.


The main questions WHY and WHEN are still open.
I started recording when I was a teen. I had a consumer grade tube tape deck. It wasn't great, I wished it had some more clarity, headroom, i.e. better sound quality. Yeah, it wasn't even close to top-notch studio decks of the 80's which are modeled with contemporary technology.
Yet, correct me if I'm wrong, isn't TE just a custom built MB compression + saturation (+noise generator/IR)?
What is the main reason to use a TE, besides mimicking great records of the past and replacing compression/saturation routine?

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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/09 15:18:27 (permalink)
I am a member of the following clans:
 
1) just because you can, doesn't mean you should
 
2) ASSAP (As Stupidly Simple As Possible)
 
3) sear in the rear (works for steaks as well as mixes)
 
I doesn't make sense to me to add a bunch of audio content (via TEs, in this case) and then get to the master buss and find out I've got to go back and make more space for an instrument or vocal. As simple and clean to the busses and master buss as possible is how I prefer to roll. Once I like a mix, THEN I can start messing with the sonic nature of the whole.
 
It also doesn't make sense to me to spend a bunch of money on good preamps, and then the very first thing you do is distort the signal with a TE.
 
Caveat: I don't have the same positive historical relationship with recording to tape many are mentioning. I had an Asian model JVC reel-to-reel that I bought in Germany in 1971 that I liked a lot, but it went missing when I got shipped back to the States and discharged on a medical. I wound up with an 8-track system, and yes, they were a beatch to record to. When cassettes came out, I switched to them. Never got my hands on a big tape deck again. Sad.

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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/09 15:31:11 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/06/09 16:20:55
Sound. You might like the sound you can create with it. Really, that is the point of all plugins.

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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/09 16:07:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/06/09 16:32:55
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Sound. You might like the sound you can create with it. Really, that is the point of all plugins.


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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/09 16:23:29 (permalink)
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Or NomadFactory Magnetic II, also a nice one.




I quite agree.  A lot of folks seem to regard Magnetic II as second rate compared to the bigger name brands (UAD, Slate, etc.).  But I quite like it when used as a master bus effect and used with restraint.
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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/09 16:32:40 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Soundwise 2016/06/09 17:45:26
if i use something like tape saturation (which is really just a specialized distortion), i do it in parallel.
 
push it in as hard as i want, then mix it back with the pure tracks via sends.

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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/09 16:45:20 (permalink)
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Sound. You might like the sound you can create with it. Really, that is the point of all plugins.

Not disagreeing. When and where, is all. Just trying to avoid what I call "duck hunting."
 
Many moons ago, I went duck hunting with a friend and his father on the Mississippi River, south of La Crosse, WI. The weather was terrible, but that's duck hunting. We got our boat out and set up a few decoys. A little later, about a 1/4 mile upstream, 6 guys in 3 boats showed up and set out way over 100 decoys. We could see them using a book and building their decoy pattern out of it. Real pros, those guys! Much rain and time later, a flock of blue bills finally showed up, coming in from the north. Those 6 guys stood up and fired off every round they had loaded. And hit nothing! The flock climbed straight out of there, and by the time they reach us downstream, they were out of range of my and my friend's shotguns. But his dad had a goose gun. He stood up, fired off two rounds, and dropped two worthless, inedible blue bills. The 6 guys upstream packed up their decoys and hauled a$$. Very funny.
 
So anytime I see anything that resembles a bunch of stuff being thrown at the wall, I call it "duck hunting."
 
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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/09 16:54:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Soundwise 2016/06/09 17:44:35
I have Magnetic II and it's great. They have many different tape emulations on there and I usually find that one of them stands out against all the others for a particular track.

However I use it for contrast and color on select tracks. I'm not trying to recreate the sound of an "all tape" mix, I don't really see the point of that - for me it's just nice as a way of taking the edge off certain harsh sounding tracks which I don't want to stick out of the mix too much. It makes the other tracks sound brighter and closer in contrast.

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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/09 22:17:21 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Soundwise 2016/06/10 11:39:52
So, in the drums, I often want the crack on the snare to be plenty loud enough. I also want it to sound like I'm trying to make it loud. When I put tape emulator on the drum bus, I get some compression and limiting that keeps the kick and snare plenty loud, but I also get a little distortion which says to the ear, this is loud! This gets more intense as the drums are played harder and less intense when softer, but the volume doesn't change as much as it does naturally.

It's like making cymbals softer to make a band sound louder. In a bar, the cymbals aren't often Mic'd. So the louder the band, the softer the cymbals in relation. You can do something similar to your recording. If you want your band to sound quiet, reduce the velocity on your midi drum loops but keep the cymbals up in the mix. Or do the reverse for loud.

With the tape emulator, you intentionally create light distortion to advertise the heat of the moment, the passion of the song.

I only use the hiss for amusement, but hiss can be truly amusing in the right settings.
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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/10 12:03:57 (permalink)
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So, in the drums, I often want the crack on the snare to be plenty loud enough. I also want it to sound like I'm trying to make it loud. When I put tape emulator on the drum bus, I get some compression and limiting that keeps the kick and snare plenty loud, but I also get a little distortion which says to the ear, this is loud! This gets more intense as the drums are played harder and less intense when softer, but the volume doesn't change as much as it does naturally.

It's like making cymbals softer to make a band sound louder. In a bar, the cymbals aren't often Mic'd. So the louder the band, the softer the cymbals in relation. You can do something similar to your recording. If you want your band to sound quiet, reduce the velocity on your midi drum loops but keep the cymbals up in the mix. Or do the reverse for loud.

With the tape emulator, you intentionally create light distortion to advertise the heat of the moment, the passion of the song.



Huh...   I'm currently working on a project where I have the Kick and Snare tracks with sends to a bus with the SONAR Tape Sim cranked pretty hard, but just a little bit of that on the cymbals.   IOW, a tape sim version of parallel compression.    Works pretty well! 

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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/12 08:16:49 (permalink)
I was heavy tested the last ik those last dayz .... And this against all my usual suspects , vsm3 , ssl x sat, brainworx , vtm , vcc , waves saphira, Nls , even the waves ssl cranked up .... And came to the conclusion that we have some really great options here , the ik is fast in each style , but i ve found that in each style if have better soundung options ....

I also differentiate saturation with what it does to the transient (with that analog style clipping) and harmonic distortion ....

I second the magnetic 2 , this were the best nomad factory in the bundle and certainly the only one i would consider to buy ...since i m cover in all other areas ....magnetic is fast and sounding right to my ears ...

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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/13 18:31:57 (permalink)
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I second the magnetic 2 , this were the best nomad factory in the bundle and certainly the only one i would consider to buy



Well, some of us, even those of us who are fans of Magnetic II, would still choose the Pulsetec EQ as the best of breed.  But why quibble?  NF has a number of gems and those of us who were lucky/prudent enough to pick up the Integral Studio Pack for 99 bucks can all just pat each other on the pack and engage in mutual congratulations for our shopping acumen. 
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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/13 18:47:19 (permalink)
True  ... i really wished their magma was stable , it's a beast also .... specialy for sound design ...

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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/13 21:46:58 (permalink)
Kinda prefer their P&M Chainer to NF Magma. But PulseTec EQ, Manetic II, Cosmos, Echoes and even that old Blue Trackbox are keepers.

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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/14 10:22:53 (permalink)
If I mix in Harrison Mixbus...I prefer it to all other Tape or console sims. $79

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Re: Tape Emulation plugins 2016/06/14 10:32:28 (permalink)
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If I mix in Harrison Mixbus...I prefer it to all other Tape or console sims. $79


+++ ^^^ THIS ^^^ +++
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