Philip
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Target Audience
Why it's Pop of course!? Hah! Artist ---> Song ---> Target listener Whatever it takes to inspire someone ... anyone ... with musicality?! Or are you merely ranting like me? Or is it more simple or complex than that? (You artists, noobs, producers, etc.) Please cast your critical vote on your personal target audiences (no matter how vague)!
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SeveredVesper
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Re:Target Audience
2010/07/03 08:12:38
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I want to become known and significant in the international metal scene like those who have labels with Nuclear Blast, Earache and Metal Blade records. Known to the scene but unknown by any random person because it it's only aired on the exclusive stations. But being known on those circles doesn't mean that they're my target audience. I have no target audience, anyone who likes it is welcome.
Check out my band's song on YouTube!
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:Target Audience
2010/07/03 08:29:56
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"international metal scene" Is that anything like the Chitlin Circuit? My target audience is me... if I don't find it interesting... why would anyone else?
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tarsier
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Re:Target Audience
2010/07/03 14:33:42
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if I don't find it interesting... why would anyone else? My experience has been that if I find something interesting, hardly anyone else does. And conversely, most of the time when someone suggests that I listen to something that they think I'd like, I don't like it. Kinda like Pandora: If you like this then we think you'll like this. Or Amazon's suggestions. They rarely suggest something that I like. So, yeah, my target audience is myself, but I don't expect anyone else to like it. The stuff I do for my day job seems to please my boss, who is my other target audience of course. But most of that isn't anything I'd choose to listen to. It's safe, polished, appropriate sound. Boring and tedious.
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StevenMikel
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Re:Target Audience
2010/07/03 14:49:11
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Rockers,pop rockers,blues rockers,instrumental rock,and to a lesser degree metalheads.Having listed my target audience(s),I agree with mike,if I don't think something I write is good or interesting,why would anybody else.I mainly write music in the styles I listed,thats also mostly what i listen to.
post edited by StevenMikel - 2010/07/03 14:50:29
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Philip
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Re:Target Audience
2010/07/04 13:23:10
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Your opposing views (Tarsier, StevenMikel, SeveredVesper, and Mike_M) ... are all extremely enlightening. Some of you are specific ... aiming at genres; others aim at 'self' and/or self+others. When I once thought my target audience was pop-folk, forum osmosis has seaped in ... And my target audience has become more elusive! IOWS, I pick up on obscure phrases, instruments, etc. that seem to please my fellows/fellowesses here. Almost any listener seems to control my strings (not just guitar strings). So, when I do emulations/covers/tributes of another artist ... I'm probably aiming at self+pop ... or at least broadening my target audience (and/or broadening my own joys)
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Butch
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Re:Target Audience
2010/07/07 08:19:21
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In my opinion, if you have a "target audience", you are not an artist, you are just pushing "product". That being said, my "target audience" is myself. That is who I write music for. If anyone else likes it, great. If not, well, too bad. If you are in music for the money, you're in it for the wrong reason. I've had someone, another musician, tell me I'm not a "real" musician because I have a day job...that I am a "weekend hack". I disagree. Because of my day job, I am finacially free to make "music for music's sake". A person who prides himself on making a living from music, usually has to play music that they don't really enjoy in order to make ends meet. I like my way better...but, to each his own.
Butch Let's make some art!
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Slugbaby
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Re:Target Audience
2010/07/07 08:30:56
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I don't have a target audience. If I have any direction at all, it's AWAY from those that complain that my 'beatz' aren't compressed enough, or my vocals not auto-tuned... I have a day job that pays my bills. This gives me the freedom to do whatever I want and not particularly care who appreciates it and who doesn't.
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Beagle
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Re:Target Audience
2010/07/07 08:44:52
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I'm afraid that if I post my target audience I'll be violating the TOS. from that statement most of you can probably figure out what I mean.
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Slugbaby
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Re:Target Audience
2010/07/07 09:59:40
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Beagle I'm afraid that if I post my target audience I'll be violating the TOS. from that statement most of you can probably figure out what I mean. Satanic under-age politicians? PS. Beagle, i quite like your music and am most definitely not part of your target audience.
post edited by Slugbaby - 2010/07/07 10:00:44
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Beagle
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Re:Target Audience
2010/07/07 10:40:14
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LOL! thanks Matt! I like your music as well, although come to think of it I haven't heard anything lately - I'll have to go check your soundclick out and see if you've got some stuff up that I haven't heard!
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skullsession
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Re:Target Audience
2010/07/07 10:58:56
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I alone am my target audience. It's been that way ever since I was a kid and realiezed that my Mother liked EVERYTHING I did....no matter how much it sucked. Well...I also target my songs to please God and Copyright Lawyers.... LOL....sorry Philip. Just playin'....
HOOK: Skullsessions.com / Darwins God Album "Without a doubt I would have far greater listening and aural skills than most of the forum members here. Not all but many I am sure....I have done more listening than most people." - Jeff Evans on how awesome Jeff Evans is.
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batsbrew
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Re:Target Audience
2010/07/07 11:25:33
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StevenMikel
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Re:Target Audience
2010/07/07 12:12:56
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I don't consciously write music in a specific genra,I play guitar and my back ground is rock,metal and,blues.The music I write is a reflection of my emotional state at the moment or a product of my imagination.It also reflects what I'm listening to and,I'm always listening to some form of rock music.I also listen to metal and blues and those influences seep into my writing too.So,aside from myself I guess my target audience is anybody that likes rock,metal,and blues music.
post edited by StevenMikel - 2010/07/07 12:40:41
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StevenMikel
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Re:Target Audience
2010/07/07 17:15:48
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I think most musicians have a style of music they identify with,are influenced by, and that they are comfortable writing in,these things kind of indicate who your audience is,wether intentional or not.I also think that reguardless of the genra you're writing in,your influences tend to show up in one way or another,this could broaden your audience.
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StevenMikel
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Re:Target Audience
2010/07/07 17:22:34
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Not to detract from the original thread but,how often do the rest of you find yourselves writing music in styles not at all intended for your "target audience"?
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Philip
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Re:Target Audience
2010/07/08 09:45:02
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StevenMikel, all the time! My target keeps shifting (God, man, wifey, kid, baby, discoid, beats, R&B, etc.)! I've observed that maybe 25-50%+/- artists go from discoid to metal genres while gleefully stating they have no target. LOL! I won't deny ... To deny having a target audience may be 'difficult' for me to deny! Some may be confusing art with politics and/or dementia. Artist (person) ---> Song ---> Target listener (persons) I bet if I listen to your music, metal, rock, or whatever ... your target persons will become blatantly obvious (to my ears) ... us wild and wacky ranters that we all are ... are paintings/music must be heard by others ... some more than others. If I perform all alone in solitary confinement then "I" am miserable. I must love one another! I'm no extravert: Forgetting all the glamour and money, artists vent deep feelings (if you will). Many of those incoherent feelings are poetic ... and have signification to be listened to by other persons. Are you singing privately 'just to yourself'? ... then why should you ever want another to listen? Yeh! Does not even dementia itself command an audience in public ... like nursing homes? Everyone groans to be heard, IIRC. While 'sounding cool', I doubt "I" am the sole target. Some of you producers and artists may boldly state "I", when you're 'hopeful' target may be both the singer and pop target for that singer. At least your psychoacoustics might bend a bit toward 'what the audience hears'. Is not singing a form of communication? I know my songs suck when I don't try to please others. Now admittedly: you and I are both visible and invisible 'human beings' ... mostly invisible: Lonely and seeking venue. IOWs, If I gave my song to a mixer/producer ... I'd question his "I" ... at least hoping that he 'meant' "I" as the pop scene for my genre. And you're not an artist/performer if you don't have a listener-audience?
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skullsession
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Re:Target Audience
2010/07/08 10:28:19
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If I play an A chord in an empty venue, does it still sound like an A chord? Probably....and someone will dig it. But somewhere, SOMEONE'S gonna tell me it should have been an E chord, and hate it. I'm really only worried about those people who dug my choice of the A chord. But in the end, I'm REALLY not worried about them either. I'm still gonna play the A chord because that's what I want. The minute you start writing music to "please" others or a specific group, or a label, - instead of yourself - you've missed the point of it all, in my opinion. It's sort of like, if you take a job simply because it pays well, you might be happy for a while. But if you don't love the work, eventually, the money doesn't mean anything.
post edited by skullsession - 2010/07/08 10:33:07
HOOK: Skullsessions.com / Darwins God Album "Without a doubt I would have far greater listening and aural skills than most of the forum members here. Not all but many I am sure....I have done more listening than most people." - Jeff Evans on how awesome Jeff Evans is.
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batsbrew
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Re:Target Audience
2010/07/08 10:42:51
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seriously, i like the freaks. give me the freaks.
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StevenMikel
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Re:Target Audience
2010/07/08 12:10:06
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This is a interesting thread.I'm trying to look at this from both sides of the conversation while,feeling the same way skullsession does.I don't write and play music to please others,I play what I feel without any thought as to genra or who might hear what I'm playing or writing,it just happens that I naturaly write and play in certiand styles.I also don't denie my influences wich happen to be rock,metal,and blues.Its not that I'm targeting a certian audience,its that I play and write in certian styles and,anybody that likes rock,metal,and blues might like my music. By the way skullsession,the A chord is one of my favorite chords.
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skullsession
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Re:Target Audience
2010/07/08 12:23:54
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It's the coolest-looking/easiest one to windmill.
HOOK: Skullsessions.com / Darwins God Album "Without a doubt I would have far greater listening and aural skills than most of the forum members here. Not all but many I am sure....I have done more listening than most people." - Jeff Evans on how awesome Jeff Evans is.
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StevenMikel
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Re:Target Audience
2010/07/08 14:12:52
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skullsession It's the coolest-looking/easiest one to windmill. LOL..... too true
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Slugbaby
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Re:Target Audience
2010/07/08 14:52:14
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skullsession It's the coolest-looking/easiest one to windmill. Naw, G is better for that. Your 2nd finger anchors the lowest string, your pinky holds the higher string down, and hooking your thumb over the top holds the neck firmly in place while clamping both sides of the fretboard evenly. Holding the guitar steady will keep you from doing a "Pete Townshend" and putting the whammy bar through your right hand.
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Philip
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Re:Target Audience
2010/07/08 20:51:53
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(My problem with the (low) guitar G chord is I can't arpeggiate as intuitively as with the (upper) (bar) G chord ... but for strumming its great ... I'll try Slugbaby's thumbing pearl to see if I can't keep it more stable) HOOK: Yeh, I, too, feel A (chord/scale) "windmills" sweetly and easily to D and E(7) ... but for me to obtain a fast/stable Bm (D's sweet substitution) ... that recently has been awkward for me. Thanks Batsbrew for noting your audience favs. I can see how they'd utterly appreciate your pomp-rock ministry. But as a studio artist (with humble gigs) I appreciate Skull's elaboration ... pleasing the higher self (if there be such a thing) will cause some out there to avidly follow ... perhaps all in due time ... till I realize ... like Vincent Vangogh ... my audience might not be apparent just yet.
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Re:Target Audience
2010/07/08 21:23:39
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You have a talent, Philip, for suggesting the most thought-provoking topics. I had to think about it, and though it sounds morbid I have to say in all honesty that my target audience is everyone who will be attending my funeral. I plan to leave a stack of CDs to be handed out on that occasion.
 All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. My Stuff
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