Tascam us1641 Users read this FYI help needed please.

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2010/09/21 15:35:50 (permalink)

Tascam us1641 Users read this FYI help needed please.

I also started a thread under Hardware ( where it belongs)  but no answers after a week. so please,
 if you own this unit I'm looking for some help.
Could you please reply to this thread here- much appreciated. 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2090754


So I needed to do a fresh OS install and I thought I'd do a little experiment with DPCLAT meter.
As I progressed through the install stages I ran the dpclat meter and took screen shots.
The computer-  Laptop 2004 Acer TM 4000. 1.7 Centrino- 2 gigs RAM.
Installed XP Pro SP 3
First shot taken after OS install, no Acer drivers yet.
17 process running in Task manager.
Hard drive has been de fragged. System restore off, System set for max performance.

 

Then I disabled Battery management in the Devise Manager




So things are looking pretty good and I haven't done anything earthshaking.
We learn here that the Battery management is bad news for latency without a doubt are you paying attention still? 




Hmm, no real difference here. Notice a spike every minute.
These are the pesky critters that most likely live in the bios somewhere and I gave up trying to kill it.
And no its not the wireless, there is no wireless going on here.
I have not installed the drivers for Wireless, LAN or on board Sound card. Bare bones.



Interesting, we now see jumping from 38ms all the way to 503 ms..

If I kill the power to the Tascam the latency goes back to 34ms.

 
post edited by johnnyV - 2010/09/23 12:56:53

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    johnnyV
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    Re:Free Beer! fresh install, and latency 2010/09/21 15:37:33 (permalink)


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    Re:Free Beer! fresh install, and latency 2010/09/21 16:46:28 (permalink)
    i found the 1 minute spike was my wireless card. disable that in device manager and it disappears.

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    Re:Free Beer! fresh install, and latency 2010/09/21 16:54:55 (permalink)
    Is windows configured to use Tascam? If so, I'm currious what your results would be if you use onboard sound card for Windows. Your latency with Tascam on is horrible. Perhaps the tascam driver is just not good for Windows but would be fine for Sonar. In other words, configure Windows to use onboard sound card and use asio driver mode in Sonar for Tascam. If that works, you could still use your monitors for windows using a cheap mixer.
     
    Also, to find out what is causing the spike that appears every minute, perhaps you could watch task manager process tab organized by CPU utilization and see if you can see a process that corresponds to the spike. If so you can google the process to see what it relates to.
    post edited by WDI - 2010/09/21 17:04:04

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    Re:Free Beer! fresh install, and latency 2010/09/21 17:20:32 (permalink)
    I just saw you mention no audio drivers installed, which I'm assuming you mean onboard sound card. This is just a reiteration of my first post. Try installing the drivers for your onboard sound card. Then with the tascam on configure windows to use onboard sound card and sonar to use tascam ASIO. Just currious what your results would be then.
    post edited by WDI - 2010/09/21 17:22:34

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    Re:Free Beer! fresh install, and latency 2010/09/21 17:56:52 (permalink)
    Really not a terrible reading, green is good. Yellow is OK , red is terrible.
    I'm reluctant to install the on board drivers as it has caused issues in the past.
    I have disabled windows sounds anyways.
    But ya might be worth a try just to see what happens.

    post edited by johnnyV - 2010/09/21 18:30:10

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    Re:Free Beer! fresh install, and latency 2010/09/21 18:56:30 (permalink)
    Horrible in terms of before and after turning on the tascam. You really shouldn't see this difference unless there is a problem. I'm running an old machine and I get much better DPC regardless of having interface on. For me there is no difference in readout with interface on vs off.

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    Re:Free Beer! fresh install, and latency 2010/09/21 20:35:15 (permalink)
    Ya ,  but is it a laptop! My desktop is same vintage and stays under 20ms.
    Laptops have this tenancy to misbehave! Most will say it's the different BIOS arrangement that sometimes cannot be tamed. My son bought a Dell Studio laptop $1500 and it could not be tamed for DAW. He ended up buying a much cheaper Acer $500, that works great! He's no fool either, has a degree in electronics etc, taught me everything I know! took 5 minutes....

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    Re:Free Beer! fresh install, and latency 2010/09/21 20:45:10 (permalink)
    Just noticed you have the almost the same CPU as I do on desktop..but mines the 4800+

    I could not get the Tascam to work with that computer for some reason. SO I use the M-Audio Fast Track which is fine. Like I say Latency is under 20ms. Round Trip Latency is another issue which is over 20 ms at 256 samples. Cannot bring it down.
    Soon I will upgrade the desktop, but the Acer is going to be around for another season or 2.
    Besides I just got layed off after 12 years of service..Cut backs! I'm 57 years old with a bad knees, I guess I can go play on the Cruise Ships for $80 a day.

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    Re:Free Beer! fresh install, and latency 2010/09/21 23:20:12 (permalink)
    Definitely wasn't bashing on your computer as your DPC overall probably is fine. It was just a thought that's all. Seems like with Tascam on doing nothing it shouldn't consume CPU cycles. But yeah, I know how finicky computers are. Just got second RMA motherboard back from MSI for friend as storage drive raid would not hold. And sorry to hear about your troubles. Believe me, I got my share of problems also...LOL. I think everyone does in one form or another.

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    Re:Free Beer! fresh install, and latency 2010/09/23 13:04:17 (permalink)
    SO WDI,
     I enabled the onboard sound chip and nothing changed so that6 experiment failed. I've disabled it.
    If you go to my thread

    http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2090754

    you will read of the other woes of this interface.

    Please still would really like to here from other Tascam users !
    but go to the Hardware thread so as to reduce clutter. thanks .
    post edited by johnnyV - 2010/09/23 13:10:58

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    Re:Free Beer! fresh install, and latency 2010/09/23 20:37:34 (permalink)
    After enabling the onboard sound card did you configure Windows to use the onboard sound card? In XP this is in control panel under Sounds and Audio Devices on both the Audio and Voice tabs for both playback and recording. Perhaps even restart after doing so.

    This was just an idea. Since I don't have the Tascam I was just shooting in the dark. This is how I have my computer configured for both my interfaces and it works good for me so I thought I'd just toss that idea out there. I know some people don't like to have onboard sound card enabled.

    Also, if performance is ok you probably don't need to worry about it anyways.

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    Re:Free Beer! fresh install, and latency 2010/09/24 10:58:08 (permalink)
    Thanks WDI, yes that's what I did and it would play MP3's from the mini jack via Media Player.
    The results with the Tascam on or off stayed the same. The good news is there was no increase in latency with the on board sound card enabled. So yes you can have that configuration if you choose. I think some set ups have a conflict with clock rate or something and that's the main reason we are told to disable. I never had a problem and used to leave it enabled so I could watch movies without hooking up the interface. It would simply switch back and forth with out a problem.
    I'm still waiting for another owner of the Tascam to read this and try the test. I might try using another computer but my spare is a P4 with 768 SD RAM

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    Re:Free Beer! fresh install, and latency 2010/09/28 13:36:25 (permalink)
    Bump
    Hope everyone is having a wonderful day!

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