Joe Bravo
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Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
I'm thinking of buying another tele. Like a lot of you guys, I'm in a living situation where I can't really crank an amp. It's easy to make my 335 sound good thru an amp sim, but I've never tried one with a tele before. And come to think of it, I don't think I've ever heard anyone else try it. My V-Amp2 sounds terrific on the 335, but I can't think off-hand of any amp/speaker combinations on this thing that would sound good on a tele. Obviously the POD will be about the same. Of course, what I'd like is the sound of an old Vibroluxe thru a 15" blue bell, but I don't know of a sim out there that can do that. Anybody getting a decent sound out of a tele with a sim? Not some heavy metal crap, but a real TELE SOUND  You know, Roy Buchanan, Bugs Henderson et al. Thanks
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Joe Bravo
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/04 18:26:10
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Okay, I had a feeling this post was gonna zero out. A guy in another forum who uses a Vibrolux live told me this new Zoom G9.2tt is the cat's meow. Anybody else tried one of these yet?
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/05 16:46:07
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I use a PODxt almost exclusively for recording, with two strats and an LP Jr.
they all sound fantastic.
My buddy from another forum uses nothing but Tele's and they sound awesome.
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/05 18:03:42
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i don't know re a tele, but i have a vrs100, totally the opposite to the tele in that it has 2 buckers, lotsa mid-range and a fairly high output - but i guess i have the same issues, trying to make amp-sims sound good, i think it's hard especially in the early stages of a song, but using the eq/mastering fx really helps, the bottom line is that you really have to work at a sound to get it right in the mix - from what you're after, maybe using acheap tube pre-amp into the soundcard, double-tracking using the guitar sim, whether guitar rig/vamp/podxt/amplkitude, getting the right amount of verb,chorus, phaser...no easy answers but the FUN is in the trying, ain't it?
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/05 18:26:05
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JoeB,
Played with the Zooms pretty extensively trying out hard rock tones with my Lespaul.......I know, I know not what you asked ........
But....
The Zoom didn't come close to my V-Amp Pro..........
The Zoom was sterile sounding.....not much different from an RP200 or better.
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Joe Bravo
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/05 22:13:42
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"My buddy from another forum uses nothing but Tele's and they sound awesome."
Does he have any tunes posted anywhere? My V-AMP2 will get just about all the same sounds as the POD units, so maybe I can make it work. There's a small Fender 1960 Champ sim, and another Tweed Combo, but I'm not crazy about the distortion on them. I don't own a Tube Screamer anymore, but I'm thinking that a tele into a TS, and then into one of these Tweed sims (with the gain turned down a little) might work pretty well.
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/05 22:15:42
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"have the same issues, trying to make amp-sims sound good"
Oh, I get a great sound with my 335 into my V-AMP2, but you know how Fenders are--they're finicky. You need just the right amp/speaker combination to get the best out of them.
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/05 22:19:40
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"The Zoom didn't come close to my V-Amp Pro"
Hmm... you know, I had the very first two Zoom units ever made, and back then they were way ahead of anything else, but I've not been impressed at all with any of their sims for the past several years. This one sure looked promising though; it even has a tube screamer/Fender combo model that they claim sounds like SRV.
On the other hand, the Zoom cost a bundle, so I'm kind of relieved that you didn't like it.
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/07 07:47:58
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Have a listen to the myspace link in my signature. "Choke" and "Don't Fall" are 100% telecaster + NI Guitar Rig. I didn't use the presets, but made my own amp setups instead. I think the rhythm guitar in Choke is particularly 'telecastery'. 
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/07 15:12:30
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ORIGINAL: Joe Bravo
"My buddy from another forum uses nothing but Tele's and they sound awesome."
Does he have any tunes posted anywhere? My V-AMP2 will get just about all the same sounds as the POD units, so maybe I can make it work. There's a small Fender 1960 Champ sim, and another Tweed Combo, but I'm not crazy about the distortion on them. I don't own a Tube Screamer anymore, but I'm thinking that a tele into a TS, and then into one of these Tweed sims (with the gain turned down a little) might work pretty well.
Yea, he is Mickeymix from Sonoma Wireworks, there are four songs on this site, he has a soundclick site to, but lost track of it. Mickeymix Speaking of Tube Screamer, I got a Marshall GV2 Guvner Stompbox, and that thing has the most realistic distortion ive used in a long time thats not directly from a tube amp. you should check one out.
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Joe Bravo
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/07 16:13:32
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/07 19:00:25
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A telecaster can sound like a lot of things. The first clip sounds more "stratty" to me... Second is great though... I guess it's all subjective. ps. I didn't notice the "vibrolux" reference in your first post. I wouldn't have recommended my link for that sound...
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/07 19:23:35
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Thats the thing its all subjective, you pretty much can get almost any sound you want
from a Tele.
The first Led Zepplin album for instance was a tele and fender amp.
And everyone thought it was a Les Paul and Marshall. Pickups can have alot to do with
it to, pickups, preamps, eq.
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/07 19:26:30
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I missed the Vibrolux thing with 15" to. Thats a really different sound, kind of like the original tweed bassman.
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Joe Bravo
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/07 22:03:01
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Well, yeah guys, it's that typical country-blues sound teles are famous for that I'm after. Either an early 60's vibrolux or a late 50's twin is ideal for that. I tell ya though, I've had a couple of big financial setbacks this week (had to put a new radiator in the truck among other things), so I think I'm gonna put the tele idea on hold for a while anyway. I hate to spend so much money all at once.
Thanks for your help though--it's much appreciated.
PS, tried something odd this week on my 335 that sounded pretty good and might help with going direct on the tele if I get another one. I put my guitar through my Boss AD5 acoustic processor, and boy did that give it a nice woody tone. I basically just left it set up the same as if I was running my acoustic through it, and the tone was much more like a good hollow body (ES 175 etc.) like that.
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/08 18:06:58
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Hey thats a great idea using an acoustic processor, that would really clean up the sound.
sorry for missing the original post about the amp that explains alot.
A Twin is really nice, hell they are even great for bass.(if you close the back that is)
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/08 19:08:23
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Hey Joe -
One thing I'd recommend in trying to get the tele tone you're after with the vamp-2 is to hook it up your PC via MIDI & use Behringer's VAMP editor (if you're not already). It'll give you access to some features you can't access from the front panel, most useful for this might be the input compressor...
I've found with the vamp2 that playing around with the different speaker types has an enormous effect on the patch's tone (hey, just like in real life!), and the MIDI editor makes this much easier than on the front panel. Unfortunately, there's no 15" speaker models emulated in the vamp, but try a few, ya never know.
I've also had good luck getting tele tones out of a champ with a dark mic on it. Is a low wattage amp an option?
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/08 19:33:30
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I've never gone into the deep editing mode with it before. That's one thing I like about the VAmp better than the PODs is that you can get a really good sound just through the front of the unit. One of these days I'll look at the deep editing too though.
I'm real fond of speaker setting #6, the single 12" British I think it's called. I use it on just about everything. I stick to the Mesa Boogie Mark IIc for most of the distorted stuff I do and that number 6 speaker setting. That speaker reminds me a lot of a Celestian Rock n Roll model.
I could probably get away with a little Champ or something, but it'd be more of a pain than anything.
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/12 16:38:36
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ORIGINAL: Joe Bravo
I'm real fond of speaker setting #6, the single 12" British I think it's called. I use it on just about everything. I stick to the Mesa Boogie Mark IIc for most of the distorted stuff I do and that number 6 speaker setting. That speaker reminds me a lot of a Celestian Rock n Roll model.
For ridiculous over driven tones, I'm a fan of speaker #1, the 8" tweed model, especially paired with ultra hi-gain amp models. Shouldn't work as well as it does, but there ya have it. good luck!
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/12 17:49:08
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ORIGINAL: Joe Bravo
I've never gone into the deep editing mode with it before. That's one thing I like about the VAmp better than the PODs is that you can get a really good sound just through the front of the unit. One of these days I'll look at the deep editing too though.
I'm real fond of speaker setting #6, the single 12" British I think it's called. I use it on just about everything. I stick to the Mesa Boogie Mark IIc for most of the distorted stuff I do and that number 6 speaker setting. That speaker reminds me a lot of a Celestian Rock n Roll model.
I could probably get away with a little Champ or something, but it'd be more of a pain than anything.
The best settings for POD are from the interent that you download from Line6Edit you just think up a sound you like, type it in and some will pop up you test them out and just downlaod to your pod and save on computer so you dont loose them. That way you save yourself the time of goofing iwth the deep editing. I have found incredible settings. Settings that really arent offered originaly. the factory setting blow...
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/12 20:26:06
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The POD and V-Amp are so much alike that a guy made a program a couple of years ago that will actually convert POD amp settings to V-Amp settings which is kind of cool. It's a shame he didn't make one that would also go the other way so that you POD players could use some of the VAmp tones that are out there because there's getting to be some huge tone libraries for V-Amp now.
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/17 09:18:19
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has no one mentioned guitar rig yet? i (heart) guitar rig.
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/17 09:42:11
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I havent tried it, but heard good things about them
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/17 11:08:01
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Hey Joe, I think you should be able to get a fairly good sounding Tele/Fender amp sound from a POD/VAmp... Of course the key would be to use a Tele and spend some time tweaking, but I think it could be done. I don't have a Tele or a Vamp, and these samples are my Strat and POD, and I was going for a semi dirty Strat sound, but I have no doubt with a Tele you could dial it in pretty close. Boogie Blues Slow Blues RLD
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/17 12:18:06
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ORIGINAL: albert_kawmi
has no one mentioned guitar rig yet? i (heart) guitar rig.
Never heard of that one.
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/17 12:22:10
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Hey Joe,
I think you should be able to get a fairly good sounding Tele/Fender amp sound from a POD/VAmp...
Of course the key would be to use a Tele and spend some time tweaking, but I think it could be done.
I don't have a Tele or a Vamp, and these samples are my Strat and POD, and I was going for a semi dirty Strat sound,
but I have no doubt with a Tele you could dial it in pretty close.
Boogie Blues
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RLD
Yeah, but you ain't human. You gonna come over here and program this thing for me?  Have you ever tried a Tube Screamer through your POD? I'd be curious to know what that sounds like. I think I've decided to buy that tele after all. I had to send my camcorder in for repair (it's a very expensive JVC) because there was a dead pixel on the screen and I figured they'd have to replace a CCD, but it turns out to have been something else that caused the problem and they were able to fix it through the firmware, so it only cost me about $100.
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/17 19:50:49
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ORIGINAL: RLD
Hey Joe,
I think you should be able to get a fairly good sounding Tele/Fender amp sound from a POD/VAmp...
Of course the key would be to use a Tele and spend some time tweaking, but I think it could be done.
I don't have a Tele or a Vamp, and these samples are my Strat and POD, and I was going for a semi dirty Strat sound,
but I have no doubt with a Tele you could dial it in pretty close.
Boogie Blues
Slow Blues
RLD
Yeah, but you ain't human. You gonna come over here and program this thing for me? Have you ever tried a Tube Screamer through your POD? I'd be curious to know what that sounds like.
I think I've decided to buy that tele after all. I had to send my camcorder in for repair (it's a very expensive JVC) because there was a dead pixel on the screen and I figured they'd have to replace a CCD, but it turns out to have been something else that caused the problem and they were able to fix it through the firmware, so it only cost me about $100.
I've never tried a tube screamer. I don't think it would be necessary. Are you familiar with Pete Anderson? He toured with and produced a lot of Dwight Yoakam's stuff. He's quite a perfectionist when it comes to guitar sounds, especially twangy Fender stuff. I read a recent interview where he stated he records only with Line 6 stuff. No amps. Also uses it live. I do think some of the "sound" is from the player, but you can get great tones with a POD/amp sims. RLD
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/17 22:26:18
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I use the Damage Control Womanizer with my Les Pauls - fully analogue. I don't know what it would be like with a Tele but with the LPs it sound fantastic. Not as versatile as any of the virtual amps but I'm extremely happy with it - one of the best purchases I've ever made.
Brett
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/18 09:23:02
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ORIGINAL: Brett
I use the Damage Control Womanizer with my Les Pauls - fully analogue. I don't know what it would be like with a Tele but with the LPs it sound fantastic. Not as versatile as any of the virtual amps but I'm extremely happy with it - one of the best purchases I've ever made.
Brett
I just checked this out, i never heard of it before it sounds pretty good. (I checked out the samples at the website) It reminds me of my Seymour Duncan three tube preamp.
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RE: Tele Thru Amp Sim Example Please
2007/06/18 22:10:36
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Yeah I love it, the other model the Demonizer gives a higher gain sound. I just wanted an all round useful pop rock sound - not a million different sounds. I was using a Boss GT3 which was great but I don't use a lot of effects and the clean sounds didn't work for me. I kept it incase I need a multieffects processor but I've never used it. I tested nearly everything available, while most did good distortion sounds it was those in between sounds where they all failed. * the Marshall rack is great but you sound like you are playing a Marshall * the Sans Amp rack had some great sounds but the critical sounds for me are the little bit dirty clean sounds. Maybe it's just too complicated to work out in a shop. The Sans Amp pedal, the Classic(?) works when I want to sound like Kurt Cobain (although an amp sim isn't really going to help!) * I used old Pods but didn't like the lag, I couldn't feel my guitar. I know the new Pods are better but most of these virtual systems left me feeling disconnected from my guitar. The Hughes and Kettner Tubeman is lovely as well, I like the three channel approach, clean, crunch, high gain, and I may even use one live, but the sound is that hard edged sound typical of H&K. I reckon it would really sparkle with a Tele. Brett
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