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2017/03/17 23:01:02 (permalink)

Telesto

Okay Peeps... Here's a jolly one for you, and it is only three minutes long
 
I took an original track, created by one of my SoundCloud chums going by the name of Boson Spin. Full details of that, with links, are available in the track description.
 
The original track was somewhat shorter so I reckoned it could stand a dropping of the BMP, from 130 to 120. And I also added a few more bars of the original clip to the beginning, so the beat doesn't kick in as quickly as the original.
 
I added just two more synth tracks, to augment what was already there, which was pretty much a fleshed out idea to begin with.
 
I also did the usual and added a buss for Adaptiverb and another for Guitar Rig, which helped create additional "dreamy" qualities of the piece.
 
Still no verse/chorus/bridge and stuff...
 
Telesto
 
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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/18 16:33:24 (permalink)
    Nice rework of the original track, I enjoyed the listen.

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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/18 17:51:56 (permalink)
    How long 3 minuets this will never do Andy?!?!?!?
     
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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/18 17:56:27 (permalink)
    Wookiee
    How long 3 minuets this will never do Andy?!?!?!?
     
    Nice


    It's the single version Wookster.
    This could definitely take a vocal. Likes it.
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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/18 21:31:56 (permalink)
    biodiode
    Nice rework of the original track, I enjoyed the listen.




    Thanks Adrian. If you listened to the original then you get a better idea of what I brought to the party, so to speak
     
    Thanks for listening. I'm glad you enjoyed it
     
    cheers
     
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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/18 21:33:08 (permalink)
    Wookiee
    How long 3 minuets this will never do Andy?!?!?!?
     
    Nice




     
    Hiya Wookiee!
     
    Thanks for listening
     
    Yeah, three minutes is a tad short! I've done longer intro's
     
     
    cheers
     
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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/18 21:34:22 (permalink)
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    It's the single version Wookster.
    This could definitely take a vocal. Likes it.



    Haha! Cheers Daryl! And thanks for having a listen to my little re-work
     
     

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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/18 22:09:02 (permalink)
    Andy
    Another one of your tracks that sends me floating away. Nice one!

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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/18 22:38:48 (permalink)
    This is just plain good.
     
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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/18 22:50:20 (permalink)
    Now last time I made some comments here I got into trouble.  I have made a good friend from that experience though and very happy because of it. But Andy and I have conversed before. Firstly I love electronic music so I am into it from the very start.
     
    My only criticism is that for me it is 3 minutes long and goes nowhere. That whole sound is really only good for 8 or 16 bars as an intro but I would take it somewhere else. The sound of that idea is great but the current arrangement is weak. 
     
    Listen to the master e.g. Tangerine Dream. Edgar would do a lovely sound like that but only for the intro though. After 16 bars or so he would be into something else and developing something much stronger. New sections, chord changes and melodies. 
     
    I love this too but I can already hear in my mind where it should go. Funny thing about TD is that it can sound like its on the same idea for a long time but in fact it is not. It is constantly moving and developing underneath.
     
    But as it is it is also a lovely piece to relax too and just veg out on for sure!
     
     
     
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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/19 05:17:23 (permalink)
    I thought it good as is, but I did hear several cool baselines that weren't on offer. Just a sweet little ride!
     

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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/19 09:02:04 (permalink)
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    Another one of your tracks that sends me floating away. Nice one!




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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/19 09:02:35 (permalink)
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    This is just plain good.
     
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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/19 09:39:46 (permalink)
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    Now last time I made some comments here I got into trouble.  I have made a good friend from that experience though and very happy because of it. But Andy and I have conversed before. Firstly I love electronic music so I am into it from the very start.
     
    My only criticism is that for me it is 3 minutes long and goes nowhere. That whole sound is really only good for 8 or 16 bars as an intro but I would take it somewhere else. The sound of that idea is great but the current arrangement is weak. 
     
    Listen to the master e.g. Tangerine Dream. Edgar would do a lovely sound like that but only for the intro though. After 16 bars or so he would be into something else and developing something much stronger. New sections, chord changes and melodies. 
     
    I love this too but I can already hear in my mind where it should go. Funny thing about TD is that it can sound like its on the same idea for a long time but in fact it is not. It is constantly moving and developing underneath.
     
    But as it is it is also a lovely piece to relax too and just veg out on for sure!



    Hi Jeff!
     
    We should chat more often and I do feel rather guilty that, after you sent me your Super Nova stems, over 18 months ago now, I went off into a different direction, musically speaking. Still electronic, but perhaps more ambient, with less structure and, as a result, interest perhaps.
     
    Telesto was yet another experiment, mainly with effects, which I am using more and more, along with busses and automation to bring "interest" to my work, rather than traditional song structure.
     
    The original piece, by Stan Magendanz of Brisbane, really sets the arrangement for this, and I didn't want to change it, although I did change the tempo and repeated the first dozen bars or so just for a faded in intro, whereas Stan's piece kicks off with beats from the first bar.
     
    And Stan did explain that, for his "odds and ends" piece, it was just an idea and wasn't really going anywhere. I liked some of the sounds he created and also the underlying beat, so I decided to download it and see what I could do.
     
    A bit more about my current "creative spell," which has been going on for around 18 months now. I joined an ambient oriented forum, initially to tout my wares, but also to get a better insight as to what peeps thought ambient music is, nowadays. And it's a vast genre, abused by many, it has to be said and its definitions can be stretched somewhat.
     
    But what I found was, it released me to explore sound more. I have always struggled creating music that follows traditional expectations. Regarding Tangerine Dream, even though I love everything they ever did, I much preferred their early works, from Zeit up to the double live LP, Poland. Rubycon has to be my ultimate favourite electronic album of all time.
     
    My last real "structured" piece was a track called M81. Still not a traditional arrangement, not by a long chalk, but I spent a lot of time looking into chord structures and changes. Trouble is, it took me over a year to get it to a point where I has happy to publish it.
     
    I have written other "structured" pieces since then, but I have never been happy with them and one, called Nessus, which was based on one VSTi called Hive, was uploaded to SoundCloud but it has since been removed. I wrote a short piece called Thank You at the end of 2016, just to say "thank you" to all my supporters and I do like that piece. But still for short of being something that I could jump up and down about.
     
    Since M81 I have uploaded over fifty tracks to SoundCloud. I have done all sorts of experimental stuff and even brought my electric guitar into play in a few of them. I have also since invested in a hardware modular system, which opens even more avenues for experimentation.
     
    I particularly like listening to, and creating drone pieces, and I guess that is where a lot of my effort is directed. They allow me to get more into sound design and effects, which I now realise I love doing. Trying to write a "song" was just holding me back...
     
     
    Anyway! Been rambling too much and I'm starting to repeat myself...
     
    Thanks again for listening Jeff and popping in here to comment. I really do appreciate that, and your comments are so valid. I'd also like to say that I will take them on board but I think, in the short term, my experimentations will continue in the same vein. For now, at least
     
     
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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/19 10:30:20 (permalink)
    That was a nice post Andy and I appreciate it.  I think what is interesting is actually blending the two concepts.  The first idea of something remaining as it is and seemingly not moving in different directions.  And of course that is also perfectly valid too.  But blending that with the idea of a sublime arrangement changes going on under.  I did not mean my comments to sound like bang you could go from here to there etc.  I still like the overall vibe of that track a lot though, it appeals to me a lot for sure.  Synthesisers just ignite something inside me I guess. 
     
    Interesting thing with TD too is that some of the very last albums he did before he died are really beautiful.  He came to Australia and visited Uluru and was inspired to write music.  The album he did is called Mala Kunia.  He released it when they came to Australia in 2014.  Seeing them live was unbelievable, I will never forget it actually.  And I also went the second gig here too where they did a live Sorcerer soundtrack.  They completely redid the music for that.  I was only a few meters away from them while they did that too.  It was interesting watching them all.  He was not well at the time but played so well right till the end.
     
    I am getting right back into Jean Michelle Jarre.  Those two Electronica albums he has just released are quite something.  I also recently got the Oxygen Trilogy and Oxygen 3 (2016) is so excellent. I t is probably one of the best Jarre albums ever and he did it last year.  He can go ambient too when he feels like it and he is totally unique when it happens too.  Jarre and Froese also teamed up only once ever and did a track on the first Jarre Electronica CD.  The merging of them both is remarkable. 
     
    Eno was my big inspiration for ambient though.  He is still one of the greatest at it as far as I am concerned.  Textures is an amazing CD too.  Everything is changing underneath somehow I cannot describe it. 
     
    I have still got a bunch of hardware but I am just loving where all the virtual stuff is going too.  Both together is a really nice sound.  It has never been more than interesting than it is right now. 

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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/19 11:01:18 (permalink)
    Just thinking of you again Andy and your interest into sound design and ambient concepts.  I would like to mention a few notable synths that I have recently got into that are totally amazing in this area.
     
    One is Isotope Iris 2.  All I can say about that is OMG!!!  Another is granular synthesis.  Ben from the songs forum did an interesting piece a while back using a granular instrument.  He got my interest in granular back up.  The two that I am into are New Sonic Arts Granite and also Sound Guru The Mangle.  Not sure if you have heard of or have any of these but they are quite remarkable.  All three including Iris 2 are into going out and making your own recordings and bringing them back home and uploading raw materials into a granular and them playing with it.  And of course you can use the resources they provide for doing the same.
     
    What I find amazing about the granular is that what may start out as a single Tibetan bell hit or even a single tabla hit can be transformed into a huge ambient texture that is ever evolving! Hard to believe but so true. And it is all in stereo too!
     
    Here are a few examples:
     
    Mangle here from a single Tibetan bell hit.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFDg7X3dlfc
     
    Granite doing some great stuff too:
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    In both of these you can click on a button at any time and hear the original sound that is making these textures and in most cases it is the most simplest of things!!
     
     

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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/19 13:41:25 (permalink)
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    I have still got a bunch of hardware but I am just loving where all the virtual stuff is going too.  Both together is a really nice sound.  It has never been more than interesting than it is right now. 




    I totally agree Jeff
     
    Regarding TD and Edgar. I do regret not getting to see them in their later years. I can't even remember the last time I saw them. Might have been some time in the 80s. By this time I had seen them at least 8 time, which might not sound a lot, for a die hard fan, but I generally didn't get out to a lot of gigs in those days. As much as I liked them, I was a bit stuck in the past really. I did like, however, what Paul Haslinger brought to the party in the late 80s.
     
    Regarding Iris 2 - Yes, I bought that last year. Absynth 5 used to do my sample playing duties but since getting Iris 2 I rarely use Absynth for sample playing.
     
    Regarding granular;
     
    I've been sat on the fence about The Mangle for some time, since you put me onto it. At twenty quid it should be a no brainer. Granite is a touch more expensive. But it's not the price that put me off about these tools. It's how they would fit into what I do. Perhaps I will bite the bullet one day and go for either one or both of those.
     
    One thing that I do like though, is using granular effects. What I like about those is I don't have to load an audio file into the effects and I have the choice of using either recorded audio within my DAW or the sound from a soft synth.
     
    My favourite granular effects tools are Guitar Rig and MMultiBandGranular.
     
    I never place these effects in the track FX bin. Instead, I create a buss for each effect and send sounds to them, which are then fed to the main buss.
     
    I've only just scratched the surface of MMultiBandGranular and there are so many strange things you can do with this tool.
     
     
    One of my other favourite tools (not granular) is Adaptiverb. If someone suggested that I over use this effect then 
    I could only agree, but it is great for creating drones. I never use it as a reverb...
     
    Cheers, Jeff, and thanks for your input here
     
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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/20 18:59:58 (permalink)
    Well, if I didn't know it was yours, originally, I would have never known it wasn't yours.   
     

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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/20 20:34:14 (permalink)
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    Well, if I didn't know it was yours, originally, I would have never known it wasn't yours.   
     


    Thanks Steve

    I guess I did a good job of putting my stamp on it

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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/20 20:50:04 (permalink)
    Thanks Andy that MMultiBandGranular effect looks very interesting indeed. I will look into it. It might be doing very similar things to what Granite is up to except in Granite you can still play the parts from a keyboard though which is also pretty cool.

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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/21 08:02:18 (permalink)
    Jeff Evans
    except in Granite you can still play the parts from a keyboard though which is also pretty cool.




    Absolutely, and is why I will more than likely end up getting either Mangle and/or Granite at some point
     
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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/22 19:26:11 (permalink)
    I like the feeling it creates.  Some electronic stuff gets me down but not this.  Thanks for sharing!

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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/22 19:36:46 (permalink)
    Hiya CW
     
    Thank you very much and thanks for listening.
     
    Funny that, because I was just checking the SoundCloud home page and I spotted that you had uploaded a new one, which I am listening to now.
     
     
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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/22 19:58:12 (permalink)
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    stevec
    Well, if I didn't know it was yours, originally, I would have never known it wasn't yours.   
     


    Thanks Steve

    I guess I did a good job of putting my stamp on it



    I listened to the original then yours, and yes, you did! Really nice Andy.

     
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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/22 21:56:05 (permalink)
    Very Pleasing.
     
    The longer I listened the further I went.
     
    Very hypnotic
     
    now I am plasma
     
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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/23 08:39:20 (permalink)
    jamesg1213
    I listened to the original then yours, and yes, you did! Really nice Andy.



    Great stuff James, listening to the original too. Thanks

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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/23 08:40:16 (permalink)
    Jesse Screed
    Very Pleasing.
     
    The longer I listened the further I went.
     
    Very hypnotic
     
    now I am plasma
     
    Jesse Q. Screed




    Thanks Jesse! You always write creative comments... Much appreciated
     
    cheers
     
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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/25 00:46:07 (permalink)
    Lovely trippy vibe which reminds me of the post-rave music we'd listen back at someone's house in the 90's. Lots of modern electronic music is missing that authentic atmosphere, great sound!

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    Re: Telesto 2017/03/25 07:29:23 (permalink)
    Thanks for listening James and for your kind comments. Much appreciated

    I was a "responsible" parent during the height of the rave era so I never bothered to go to one. Always wondered what it would be like

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