pharohoknaughty
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Tempo Map Platinum / Melodyne 4 Not Working
I watched in amazement the Youtube of a guy moving the audio clip to the timeline and Sonar adjusted the timeline to match the clip. Great for live recordings.
But I can't get it to work. When I try to move the clip to the timeline I am not allowed and the timeline does not turn blue.
According to the documentation, I should also be able to click "Use the tempo grid detected by Melodyne." inside the Melodyne editor. I did this, and Melodyne picked up the timing perfectly, but it does not transfer to Sonar.
I have Platinum ver 21.10 and Melodyne Editor 4.
Any thoughts?
Thanks
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Re: Tempo Map Platinum / Melodyne 4 Not Working
2016/05/29 13:35:23
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Sorry... I don't know the version numbers. What month of Sonar is that?
The drag/drop Melodyne thing only went online inside Sonar a couple months ago. So unless you're on one of the latest versions it won't work.
Cheers.
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Re: Tempo Map Platinum / Melodyne 4 Not Working
2016/05/29 13:38:16
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☼ Best Answerby pharohoknaughty 2016/05/29 18:20:27
Hi. The tempo map feature was introduced in 2016.03. You will need to update to that version to have it at your disposal. Hope it helps.
All the best.
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pharohoknaughty
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Re: Tempo Map Platinum / Melodyne 4 Not Working
2016/05/29 18:05:48
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Thanks
This is good to know. I looked for the documentation to mention the requirements, but didn't find it.
I'll have to upgrade I suppose. I already paid for the license, but I am always timid to install a new version if the old one works.
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Re: Tempo Map Platinum / Melodyne 4 Not Working
2016/05/29 18:57:31
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With Editor 2 or better you can do a workaround of opening a clip in polyphonic mode and saving the MIDI from it. Launching that MIDI file (not importing) with X3 or better will set the tempo map. Then import the wav file and nudge if necessary. A little roundabout, but functional. I posted more on that in another thread but on my cell at the moment.
If you have the ability to load 2016.03 or newer you can take advantage of the new drag-to-timeline feature.
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pharohoknaughty
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Re: Tempo Map Platinum / Melodyne 4 Not Working
2016/05/30 12:48:33
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OK!
I installed the latest version 22.5.0.
Now the clip will transfer to the timeline and turn it blue (or now orange with the current version of Plat), like it is supposed to do.
But the result is that it miss-aligns and seems to destroy my project.
I must be a special case, when I track the band I record virtual instruments as MIDI tracks and also have audio tracks. We don't use a click track, so the timeline has no relevance to the beat. Since the tempo map changes when you apply Melodyne, the relative midi notes are moved to the new tempo instead of being re-calculated in a manner that preserves the tempo. Any midi track is now at the wrong tempo. I think the only solution is to bounce the midi clips to audio, but then you loose the ability to edit the MIDI.
Unless I am doing something wrong, which is often the case, this feature has value only for projects with no MIDI clips.
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Re: Tempo Map Platinum / Melodyne 4 Not Working
2016/05/30 13:04:55
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pharohoknaughty
OK!
I installed the latest version 22.5.0.
Now the clip will transfer to the timeline and turn it blue (or now orange with the current version of Plat), like it is supposed to do.
But the result is that it miss-aligns and seems to destroy my project.
I must be a special case, when I track the band I record virtual instruments as MIDI tracks and also have audio tracks. We don't use a click track, so the timeline has no relevance to the beat. Since the tempo map changes when you apply Melodyne, the relative midi notes are moved to the new tempo instead of being re-calculated in a manner that preserves the tempo. Any midi track is now at the wrong tempo. I think the only solution is to bounce the midi clips to audio, but then you loose the ability to edit the MIDI.
Unless I am doing something wrong, which is often the case, this feature has value only for projects with no MIDI clips.
Try "Locking" the MIDI clips (Pos and Data) before dragging to the timeline. There may be an option in the Clips Inspector as well to avoid stretching the MIDI but I mostly do audio fanciness so I'm not sure.
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Re: Tempo Map Platinum / Melodyne 4 Not Working
2016/05/30 13:54:28
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pharohoknaughty
I must be a special case, when I track the band I record virtual instruments as MIDI tracks and also have audio tracks. We don't use a click track, so the timeline has no relevance to the beat. Since the tempo map changes when you apply Melodyne, the relative midi notes are moved to the new tempo instead of being re-calculated in a manner that preserves the tempo. Any midi track is now at the wrong tempo. I think the only solution is to bounce the midi clips to audio, but then you loose the ability to edit the MIDI.
Unless I am doing something wrong, which is often the case, this feature has value only for projects with no MIDI clips.
Hi! I don't think you're doing anything wrong per se. Remember, Melodyne does not affect the audio or MIDI data (with regard to tempo). It instead rearranges the beat and measure lines so that they match the musical content of the source track (the track you dragged up to the timeline). Since Sonar displays the beats in the timeline in a linear evenly spaced fashion, the effect of the tempo map is manifested by the speed at which the playback cursor moves and changes with tempo changes. The source audio will sound exactly the same as before, even if you draw in a crazy tempo map going from 20 bpm up to 200 bpm. Try it with a simple audio track. Likewise, Melodyne doesn't change MIDI data. So, if you had MIDI data recorded before you applied the Melodyne tempo mapping, since the MIDI data remains the same (notes will play at their previous times, not at the new tempo), it will be out of sync with the tempo and therefore audio tracks. I'm not sure what can be done about this, as I haven't had to tackle this situation yet. What you need is some way to stretch the MIDI tracks to abide by the new tempo map. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I knows how to do this. Good luck with it!
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