BenMMusTech
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Temporal Sound and Light Composition Landscape no1-And The Heavens Cried
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4AyEW-UzQw Well the last Temporal Sound and Light Composition didn't set the forum on fire...maybe this one will. This was done on the night of David Bowie's death, hence the title...and literally the heavens did cry. There is thunder and lightning, and the guitar sound that starts in the middle is in fact a granular synth...created from the temporal audio. Peace Ben
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Re: Temporal Sound and Light Composition Landscape no1-And The Heavens Cried
2016/04/29 07:26:19
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Can you explain us what "created from the temporal audio" means.
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Re: Temporal Sound and Light Composition Landscape no1-And The Heavens Cried
2016/04/29 07:38:49
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I dunno what to make of this Ben. I watched for about 4 minutes and nothing much happened. The synths were very portentious and doom-laden but very repititous. I scrolled on a bit and the sky was very dramatic. Kind of 'is that it?' really.
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BenMMusTech
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Re: Temporal Sound and Light Composition Landscape no1-And The Heavens Cried
2016/04/29 19:03:33
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ULTRABRA Can you explain us what "created from the temporal audio" means.
The Temporal is location field and vision recordings. Peace
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Re: Temporal Sound and Light Composition Landscape no1-And The Heavens Cried
2016/04/29 19:06:31
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jamesg1213 I dunno what to make of this Ben. I watched for about 4 minutes and nothing much happened. The synths were very portentious and doom-laden but very repititous. I scrolled on a bit and the sky was very dramatic. Kind of 'is that it?' really.
Hi James, it's a mood peice...it's probably not as sonically interesting as the moon piece I have floating around...you should have waited until the guitar sound kicked in...it becomes like a 67 Pink Floyd mash with King Crimson...I will post moon piece in a week or two...this piece is like Beethoven on Acid!!. Literally...there are 3 moons in the sky at one point, and all in the key of Cm...or moonlight sonata lol. And no there is no effects, all I've done is layer 3 film samples to get 3 moons at once. Thanks for trying to understand James. Peace
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Re: Temporal Sound and Light Composition Landscape no1-And The Heavens Cried
2016/04/29 20:09:47
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Ifn ya have ta deconstruct it...what good is it? It is what it was. See what I did there? I know I'm a fan of Ben's noodlins an all but at least his work forces you to DO something. Even if that is throw yor half drunk martini across the livin room. Acourse I woulda called this magnum opus "Good Fences Make Good Neighbors"...but then I'm a romantic at heart.
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Re: Temporal Sound and Light Composition Landscape no1-And The Heavens Cried
2016/04/29 21:17:31
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yorolpal Ifn ya have ta deconstruct it...what good is it? It is what it was. See what I did there? I know I'm a fan of Ben's noodlins an all but at least his work forces you to DO something. Even if that is throw yor half drunk martini across the livin room. Acourse I woulda called this magnum opus "Good Fences Make Good Neighbors"...but then I'm a romantic at heart.
Lol, are you drunk? ;). Just you wait till you see the moon piece...it's high art. Peace Ben
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Re: Temporal Sound and Light Composition Landscape no1-And The Heavens Cried
2016/04/29 21:59:51
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Nope...unfortunately I am a true Irishman...and, at least in the last twenty years, never drunk...though every one of my friends who've had the same amount as me of an imbibing evening can hardly stand up. But tonight...like most nights...I am just nursing a great Cabernet.
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Re: Temporal Sound and Light Composition Landscape no1-And The Heavens Cried
2016/04/29 22:03:25
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Granular synthesis is just incredible stuff. In fact Ben got me into it really and I just love it. You can take anything and I mean anything from live atmos or foley sound recordings to one single tabla hit or a single tibetan bell hit and create the most amazing sounds you will ever hear from any synthesiser. So far removed from reality it is just hard to imagine. Nothing comes close to granular synthesis. It is not for everyone though. Normal sounds are not its thing. It is wonderful for strange sound design stuff which this piece from Ben is. Great to see granular inside Omnisphere now. The two others to get into are New Sonic Arts 'Granite' and SoundGuru 'The Mangle'. (They are different from each other but wonderful though) Ben uses a great Steinberg granular synth as well. (Padshop) I have not gone down the Padshop path because I am pretty inviolved with Granite and The Mangle but I am sure it is great as well.
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Re: Temporal Sound and Light Composition Landscape no1-And The Heavens Cried
2016/04/29 22:58:44
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Jeff Evans Granular synthesis is just incredible stuff. In fact Ben got me into it really and I just love it. You can take anything and I mean anything from live atmos or foley sound recordings to one single tabla hit or a single tibetan bell hit and create the most amazing sounds you will ever hear from any synthesiser. So far removed from reality it is just hard to imagine. Nothing comes close to granular synthesis. It is not for everyone though. Normal sounds are not its thing. It is wonderful for strange sound design stuff which this piece from Ben is. Great to see granular inside Omnisphere now. The two others to get into are New Sonic Arts 'Granite' and SoundGuru 'The Mangle'. (They are different from each other but wonderful though) Ben uses a great Steinberg granular synth as well. (Padshop) I have not gone down the Padshop path because I am pretty inviolved with Granite and The Mangle but I am sure it is great as well.
Thanks Jeff :) I've tried over the years to keep experimenting...find a niche and all that. Popular music is dead, and we need to find a way forward...this kind of works. Peace :)
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Re: Temporal Sound and Light Composition Landscape no1-And The Heavens Cried
2016/04/30 13:34:21
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Well I get the idea, perhaps in these days of visual in your face and sound being a background task a slightly more engaging video would engage peeps more, Ben. In the right mood (and mind state ) I could probably enjoy this, nice Ben thanks for sharing.
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Re: Temporal Sound and Light Composition Landscape no1-And The Heavens Cried
2016/04/30 14:21:28
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BenMMusTech
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Re: Temporal Sound and Light Composition Landscape no1-And The Heavens Cried
2016/04/30 18:20:54
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Thanks Guy...I should have posted the moon piece...oh well :) Peace Ben
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Re: Temporal Sound and Light Composition Landscape no1-And The Heavens Cried
2016/05/02 01:35:36
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BenMMusTech
ULTRABRA Can you explain us what "created from the temporal audio" means.
The Temporal is location field and vision recordings.
So you record some sounds and make audio from it ... what's the process? You said something similar on your earlier Fountain piece : "The sounds are all temporal ;) or filmed on location, and I use these to create the chords heard throughout the piece." - so you recorded the sounds of the fountain, and then used those sounds ... how do you use them?
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Re: Temporal Sound and Light Composition Landscape no1-And The Heavens Cried
2016/05/02 02:26:30
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ULTRABRA Can you explain us what "created from the temporal audio" means.
The Temporal is location field and vision recordings.
So you record some sounds and make audio from it ... what's the process? You said something similar on your earlier Fountain piece : "The sounds are all temporal ;) or filmed on location, and I use these to create the chords heard throughout the piece." - so you recorded the sounds of the fountain, and then used those sounds ... how do you use them?
Ok, so just like in film location work you record the audio and vision together, so the vision and audio are time locked. The same happens in these compositions. I place this audio in a granular synthesizer, and I use Steinberg's Padshop, because it the interface is similar to most synth interfaces. Oh, and for those who don't know what a granular synthesizer is, think a sampler but only much better because not only can you go backwards and forwards with the sample, you can horizontal or diagonal...its a bit poetic but think of the analogy of sculpting but you're sculpting with sound. So I have an audio track inside the granular synth, and I time lock the grain position...the forward and backward of the sample so it stays in sync with the vision. I then compose a piece using Roman Numeral Analysis...so the 1 chord is the dominant, the 2nd in the case of minor a diminished etc. I also use the theory of key signature too, which is supposed to be moot, no one can say for sure if it's true. So for this piece I used Fm because it was a funeral piece...David Bowie had just died, and the theory of key says Fm is the funeral key. I then sculpt to shape the sounds heard in piece. I also have a clean layer, and for this piece I layered 3 granular synths to create a harmony of sorts. Does that explain it Ultra? lol ;) Peace Ben
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Re: Temporal Sound and Light Composition Landscape no1-And The Heavens Cried
2016/05/02 18:26:45
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To illustrate the amazing power of a granular synth have a look at this video. This is just a single hit of a Tibetan bowl and nothing else. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFDg7X3dlfc I have got Mangle as well and it is a lovely instrument for sure. In the latest version of Mangle you can now stop the granular for a second and just listen to the original sound which is quite handy. You can see by the waveform that there is the transient at the start and the rest is just the sustained part of the bowl. I have done this myself and it quite amazing. Any sound can be manipulated this way. Even the sound of a footstep or the sea or anything literally. Granulars can still be played from your keyboard too just like a normal synth. So all this can be transposed up and down and played polyphonically too and then things start to get real complex too as you can imagine. You can get very tuned sounds out of granulars as well as complex sound scapes. They do require a little understanding. Granite is also amazing as Padshop would be too. Here is a Granite demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuN0Jezi2Kw Audio is cut up into tiny bits called grains and they are only very small in time eg 10 ms to 50 ms or so. The grains are then manipulated/modulated in many different ways etc... What is cool about a granular synth is its ability to produce such complex sounds that most normal synthesisers would not even come close to even when trying real hard. A Granite intro by New Sonic Arts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnKTiFVpBAo
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Re: Temporal Sound and Light Composition Landscape no1-And The Heavens Cried
2016/05/02 22:43:04
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I listened to it without watching the video, and enjoyed it, just kind of ambient mood with those darn crickets in the tall grass. Nice stuff, really stretches the boundaries of what sound is/music is/songs are . . . your work is to conventional songs as Jackson Pollack's work is to something conventional like the Mona Lisa. I appreciate both, but it may not be everyone's cup of magic tea. Feel free to use "Magic Tea" as your bandname. :) Thanks for the flashback! -Tom
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Re: Temporal Sound and Light Composition Landscape no1-And The Heavens Cried
2016/05/03 00:20:21
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emeraldsoul I listened to it without watching the video, and enjoyed it, just kind of ambient mood with those darn crickets in the tall grass. Nice stuff, really stretches the boundaries of what sound is/music is/songs are . . . your work is to conventional songs as Jackson Pollack's work is to something conventional like the Mona Lisa. I appreciate both, but it may not be everyone's cup of magic tea. Feel free to use "Magic Tea" as your bandname. :) Thanks for the flashback! -Tom
Thanks Tom. Yes, as a part of my research I'm trying to re-invent the wheel so to speak..it's a combined visosonic form lol. Peace
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