Terry Manning, engineer, the great ZZ Top thread.

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April 05, 10 2:03 AM (permalink)

Terry Manning, engineer, the great ZZ Top thread.

We were shooting the bull in another thread, Getting A Better Sound From Your Guitar Cabinets, and engineering and mic techniques were discussed. ZZ Top was mentioned and I remember this really cool link about Terry Manning, engineer, and the Memphis days. I think many of you will enjoy it. Lots of cool insider stuff on how they cut some of those records.
 
Not sure if I posted it in the right forum; if not someone can move it.
 
http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/t/3849/0/
 
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    Re:Terry Manning, engineer, the great ZZ Top thread. April 06, 10 0:05 PM (permalink)
    I'd take it with a grain of salt. If he's anything like Billy Gibbons, he has a very creative imagination when it comes to the equipment he used.

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    Re:Terry Manning, engineer, the great ZZ Top thread. April 06, 10 7:31 AM (permalink)
    Found it very interesting. Thanks for the link.

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    Re:Terry Manning, engineer, the great ZZ Top thread. April 06, 10 12:48 AM (permalink)
    Here's another good link about Robin Hood Studios in Texas where all of the early ZZ Top tracks were cut. The main tracking for Tres Hombres was cut there and overdubbed and mixed in Memphis. I always thought Tres Hombres had just a fabulous drum sound.

    http://blogs.chron.com/40yearsafter/2008/10/robin_hood_brians_on_the_recor_1.html

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    Re:Terry Manning, engineer, the great ZZ Top thread. April 06, 10 2:01 PM (permalink)
    Thanks for sharing those links! Great stuff. I was a huge ZZ Top fan back in the very early days. A little too young to understand guitar tone or even know to ask about it. I just liked the songs. I saw them live on TV in Germany back in late 79 or early 80 (they played their first ever European concert in Essen Germany and I have a pristine recording of that show - it was simulcast on TV and radio). I have to admit though, I wasn't such a fan of their 80's stuff. A little too techno for me and I kinda lost track of them after that. That Essen show was funny - Dusty Hill accidentally pulled his guitar cable out of the amp during one of the songs and you heard that annoying crackle while he plugged it back in. Also they tried to sync up to a video of them playing horns on one song but that didn't work very well. I agree that the CD remixes were horrible. HORRIBLE. I haven't paid attention, Maybe they've gone back and remixed them like they used to be. I hope so. Amazing how much sound those three guys make with a guitar, bass and drums. When you see them play the stuff it looks like it takes no effort at all.

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    Re:Terry Manning, engineer, the great ZZ Top thread. April 06, 10 2:02 PM (permalink)
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    Here's another good link about Robin Hood Studios in Texas where all of the early ZZ Top tracks were cut. The main tracking for Tres Hombres was cut there and overdubbed and mixed in Memphis. I always thought Tres Hombres had just a fabulous drum sound.

    http://blogs.chron.com/40yearsafter/2008/10/robin_hood_brians_on_the_recor_1.html

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    The problem is most of use don't have the option of doing things that way now.  So it's fun to know but we still have to learn to get the sound we want with the tools we have now.  When you record to analog tape and then mix that down to another analog tape, that "tape" sound tends to build up.  I think it takes a lot more skill these days to get the tone right BEFORE you hit the recording device.
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    Re:Terry Manning, engineer, the great ZZ Top thread. April 06, 10 3:03 PM (permalink)
    On the Deguello sessions, we were really ramping things up as far as equipment and direction. This album I think is the progenitor of "Eliminator." Billy brought for the first time A LOT of guitars and amps to the session. I had always in the past only had one or two, maybe three guitars, and usually just "the" one amp around, for almost any session. It just wasn't thought of in the 'earlier' days to need a wide selection, just as it wasn't contemplated to need any outnoard mic pre's or such. But this time was the first time I remember a truckload of gear coming in...today it's common practice; anyone who has the gear brings it! (REM were recently in our studio here in Nassau for three months, and they brought EVERYTHING they own, which is a LOT of gear. It filled over 90 LARGE road cases.)

    We did indeed use various guitars and amplifiers during this Deguello session (by the way the "Deguello" is the bugle call that used to be played by the Mexican army back in the Texas-Mexico war days. It meant "There will be no quarter, only death, for any who don't surrender now!" This was played, for instance, at The Alamo.), and I employed for one of the first times during an album session, various mic's and mic placements for guitar. Billy had his Les Paul (Pearly Gates) of course, but also Strats, and some wild cheesy Japanese guitars. Amps would have been the various Marshall's (or his Rio Grande customised ones) as well as some Fenders, old Gibson's and I think maybe a Magnavox.

    Again, this entire album was recorded in Ardent Studio A, on the SpectraSonics/Auditronics console (USING THE CONSOLE MIC PRE'S OF COURSE), and tracked to either 16 or 24 track 2" (can't remember which now). It would have been mixed probably to 1/4". BG did indeed have an assortment of pedals, the ones out then which are 'vintage' pedals now.








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    Re:Terry Manning, engineer, the great ZZ Top thread. April 06, 10 3:05 PM (permalink)
    another very interesting tidbit, here, that puts to rest, an onerous rumour that has been around ever since Eliminator came out......


    Terry I wonder if you could comment on the guitar sound in Eliminator. What I always heard it was all Rockman - but was there an amp mixed in as well? And thoughts on the direction of that album as a whole - it certainly was a huge change in sound, even if there were hints of it on earlier albums. 


    The full story of the making of Eliminator (the politics, the chicannery, the technical aberrations, the high social drama, the exodus, the payback) is one that I cannot tell. Even if I could, there certainly wouldn't be room for it here! It probably won't even make it into "the book" (or the movie). Just don't forget that truth is often stranger than fiction!

    However, I will address certain specific musical or technical issues, and I'll begin with your guitar amp question.

    THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO ROCKMAN USED ON THIS RECORDING!
    Not a little bit, not a tiny bit; NOT ANY. I don't know how these stories get started. Billy may indeed have used Rockman at a later date, after I left the situation, but I did not allow it when I was working with him. He did bring one in to try, but I was not satisfied with the sound, compared to an
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    Re:Terry Manning, engineer, the great ZZ Top thread. April 06, 10 9:08 PM (permalink)
    Dang. Thanks for the links.... ZZ Top constantly pull me away from 'normality' and these stories are great... thanks for the share.

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    Re:Terry Manning, engineer, the great ZZ Top thread. April 08, 10 4:06 PM (permalink)
    Probably my all time favorite band..... That little band from Texas.

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    Re:Terry Manning, engineer, the great ZZ Top thread. April 09, 10 10:43 AM (permalink)
    Dusty Hill and Billy Gibbons were on Wait Wait Don't Tell Me recently. Give a listen. Interesting to know that Rick Rubin will be wrecking their latest album.

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