Jonbouy
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Thank You, Cakewalk!
Anyone who has read anything I have posted on this particular forum knows that I've been highly critical with regard to Cakewalk's seeming lack of genuine concern for it's customer base as far as addressing issues with the software goes.
I still feel the X1 release was a debacle and a major update some months after release hasn't fixed some REAL issues people are still confronting.
What I do applaud though is the initiative behind the Quickfix and citing actual issues being brought up via the problem reporter and being directly addressed.
This shows a preparedness by the company to embrace these issues in a way that shows an agility between coders and users that has been hitherto unseen and could in my view have prevented much of the angry frustration that's been seen here in recent months.
Running this initiative alongside the latest update release will go a long way toward ensuring better fixes and more stable releases in future, but more importantly it shows me that the company has actually been listening rather than thinking the dissenters among us are just an ungrateful bunch of loudmouths.
Credit where it is due and this initiative looks to me like a tangible reason for optimism for the future of my favourite DAW and I haven't seen much reason for that here lately.
So again, thank you Cakewalk.
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/11 22:18:24
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i just thought you were a troll...lol..just kidding jonbouy.you are highly respected among this community for you posts as being honest and very knowlegable.this is alot comming from you as i know youve made some critical statements along the way but this was very decent of you to do to recognize they are making an effort.your contributions have been greatly appreciated by myself for helping me trouble shoot many a things.
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/12 04:03:08
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Hey Jonbouy, do you think we can start hoping against hope that we might finally get fully functional (meaning 32 proper stereo ins) ReWire support one day? I mean, without running twin mono channels to a bus in order to be able to do anything to additional stereo outputs, which is the only current workaround as far as I can tell? (actually I know you know what I mean, but for others' clarification)... I know this is a big issue for you and I'm just registering my agreement with that...
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/12 04:18:02
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Jonbouy
Credit where it is due and this initiative looks to me like a tangible reason for optimism for the future of my favourite DAW and I haven't seen much reason for that here lately.
So again, thank you Cakewalk.
Agreed +1 If Cakewalk had started doing this in December or January, and immediately providing recognition of their mistakes, the situation would be alot more pleasant. Even now these forums seem so much duller than 8 months ago. :( Now to make the bakers realise midi sequencing and notation actually need to be efficient in such software...
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/12 04:30:16
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I do hope that X2 is the notation edition, and hopefully lots more besides... I don't think it's reasonable to expect it any sooner than that, but it will be disappointing for a lot of people if it isn't (he said, as if it hadn't been disappointing for a lot of people for the last 4 major updates or so).
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/12 04:57:31
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SONAR X1 x64 working great overhere.. stable as rock. no complaints...
I'm sure there still small bugs as always in any programs..I working with SONAR 10-12 hours a day... I haven't notice anything yet except for icons graphic glitch, scrolling track view with more then +100 tracks...... Sonar X1 eat 5GB RAM with no problems and continue without any stability issues...
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/12 06:38:00
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Good for you Freddie.
Well done for not noticing the 200 or so real issues that have been fixed since X1's release in December.
But for those of us not related to Ostrich's, 'Quickfix' may well turn out to be the single most exciting feature Cakewalk has added to Sonar for years.
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/12 07:53:16
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Jonbouy
Good for you Freddie.
Well done for not noticing the 200 or so real issues that have been fixed since X1's release in December.
But for those of us not related to Ostrich's, 'Quickfix' may well turn out to be the single most exciting feature Cakewalk has added to Sonar for years.
Yes, I have... I did notice the previous bugs..but now all those bugs have been addressed in the new updates 1b and quickfix, my friend! 
post edited by Freddie H - 2011/04/12 07:57:46
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/12 07:53:40
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Jonbouy
... But for those of us not related to Ostrich's, 'Quickfix' may well turn out to be the single most exciting feature Cakewalk has added to Sonar for years.
That's true, but only if they maintain it - remembering that there is a tendency for 'exciting features' to sometimes get kind of abandoned around here. This is one I hope they stick with for a while, so I'm all for continuing to let them know that it has gone a long way towards giving some of the long-term users whose confidence had been flagging a bit of hope for better times. I personally rather like X1 but I think some changes need to be rethought a bit, and some customization options returned, and...
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/12 09:27:43
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I think we all made X1 the most successful version of SONAR... EVER.
I say this because for the first time EVER... we as a group of customers have inspired the production of Quickfixes.
I think I agree with the OP. The Quickfix policy is the greatest upgrade feature I have experienced in the SONAR legacy.
Its time has come and am I excited to see that Cakewalk has responded to the need and our requests in a positive manner.
Now if Cakewalk can design its problem reporter to associate our login info with all the vital registration and system info in a cookie or something similar the whole system might run even more smoothly.
Thank You Cakewalk.
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/12 09:42:17
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Careful now ... Jonbuoy may even become a Fanbouy 
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/12 14:50:42
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SONARtist
Careful now ... Jonbuoy may even become a Fanbouy
Nouw, nouw...
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/12 15:06:20
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im guilty of being that guy that reads a post of camplaints and rolls my eyes.and i know i am wrong.because if it werent for the ones that are vocal about this release we would have a subpar daw at best.so for all those times i may have comented about how awesome x1 is. i think you guys who are legitimate users with real problems are the ones to thank thet this is camming along.i dare say done..or fixed..i say comming along.and i admire you for it as well cause youve had to put up with a lot of people garbage along the way..this was a very well thought out and nice post jonbouy.and a few comments left by a few others great as wll. edit-youd think with all the software and hardware i have i would get a new keyboard so it doesnt look like i have a second grade degree...sticky keys..and no not because of that.
post edited by chuckebaby - 2011/04/12 15:08:49
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/12 15:55:28
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Jonbouy
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Careful now ... Jonbuoy may even become a Fanbouy
Nouw, nouw...
Great ! LOL. Is your avatar the view from your window of "England's Sunshine South Coast" ... whereabouts, Torquay ?
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/12 16:05:07
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Freddie H
SONAR X1 x64 working great overhere.. stable as rock. no complaints...
I'm sure there still small bugs as always in any programs..I working with SONAR 10-12 hours a day... I haven't notice anything yet except for icons graphic glitch, scrolling track view with more then +100 tracks......
Sonar X1 eat 5GB RAM with no problems and continue without any stability issues...
Genuine question Freddie. Whilst I understand the staff view is weak I find it useful, do you use it and if so does it function as you would expect? Nod to the Bouy for the thread, I am also confident that the Bouy could never be viewed as a fan boy just straight but polite talking. (All fences should be replaced if taken.)
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/12 17:59:57
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Freddie H
SONAR X1 x64 working great overhere.. stable as rock. no complaints...
I'm sure there still small bugs as always in any programs..I working with SONAR 10-12 hours a day... I haven't notice anything yet except for icons graphic glitch, scrolling track view with more then +100 tracks......
Sonar X1 eat 5GB RAM with no problems and continue without any stability issues...
Genuine question Freddie. Whilst I understand the staff view is weak I find it useful, do you use it and if so does it function as you would expect?
Nod to the Bouy for the thread, I am also confident that the Bouy could never be viewed as a fan boy just straight but polite talking.
(All fences should be replaced if taken.)
Fingers crossed for a quick fix for staff view, so we can at least have the functionality which existed in 8.5.3. Never mind the fact that there is a GLOBAL Snap to Grid setting, instead of support for different settings in different views. 
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subtlearts
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/12 18:33:40
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Agreed - a quickfix with those two things in place would be most welcome, though for reasons incomprehensible to anyone on this forum (as far as I can tell) they seem attached to the global snap settings. It's pretty much the one thing everyone is agreed on...
At least they've acknowledged that the note duration thing in staff view is just plain broken.
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/12 21:23:01
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SONARtist
Jonbouy
SONARtist
Careful now ... Jonbuoy may even become a Fanbouy
Nouw, nouw...
Great ! LOL. Is your avatar the view from your window of "England's Sunshine South Coast" ... whereabouts, Torquay ?
That there is Brighton, Sussex. The tornado was back in '06 and it eventually passed literally a few yards away from the front my home near the coast between Hastings and Rye some 30 miles or so east from where that picture was taken.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/04/12 21:30:34
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/13 03:40:37
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Freddie H
SONAR X1 x64 working great overhere.. stable as rock. no complaints...
I'm sure there still small bugs as always in any programs..I working with SONAR 10-12 hours a day... I haven't notice anything yet except for icons graphic glitch, scrolling track view with more then +100 tracks......
Sonar X1 eat 5GB RAM with no problems and continue without any stability issues...
Genuine question Freddie. Whilst I understand the staff view is weak I find it useful, do you use it and if so does it function as you would expect?
Nod to the Bouy for the thread, I am also confident that the Bouy could never be viewed as a fan boy just straight but polite talking.
(All fences should be replaced if taken.)
Good question! No I don't use Staff view at all so I don't know? I use Piano roll instead. I understand that you use Staff View as a EDIT window function... I'm a producer and songwriter so I do mostly programming, mixing and working with AUDIO and VST. I have no need of Score functions in any DAW. If I need to make score making recording wirh a real Symphony Orchestra, a other 3part Score engineer will make new professional scores. He or she will use Finale or else program. Any software Virtual VST-strings like Vienna or East West, all sample keys, key-changes are played and programmed in wrong key in a DAW. Directly print out those scores from the DAW are total pointless for any real musicians.. Those "DAW programming"-scores of the Virtual instrument woudn't make any sense for any Symphony Orchestra musicians. Great that you feel it useful. Some prefere Staff view and some prefer Piano roll instead. It wouldn't hurt if they improve the both views, and especially the Staff view . Staff view are very poorly in SONAR X1 compare to other DAWs example Cubase, eventhough I would never use it. Best Regards Freddie
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/13 04:06:23
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I wonder what we would need to make Cakewalk realise that notation is actually useful. They upgraded the step sequencer, which has little use outside triggering samples...I know that is biased but by comparison to notation which is a genuinely useful feature for a decent sized customer base, I really wonder sometimes if their research dpt looks on Youtube, sees how popular (cracked) versions of FL studio are and decided how much better a beat making program would be. >.> Regardless, assuming they actually keep up with constant patch releasing, not just for the next month, this will be a nice turn around for a company who lost alot of users respect with recent decisions.
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subtlearts
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/13 04:20:57
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Freddie H
Any software Virtual VST-strings like Vienna or East West, all sample keys, key-changes are played and programmed in wrong key in a DAW. Directly print out those scores from the DAW are total pointless for any real musicians.. Those "DAW programming"-scores of the Virtual instrument woudn't make any sense for any Symphony Orchestra musicians.
Not sure what you mean by this. Presumably you're referring to enharmonics, so yeah - to be useful a reasonably full-featured staff editor needs to be able enharmonically aware, i.e. allowing you to write either A# or Bb (et al) and sending the right MIDI note. Moreover, and maybe this is what you're getting at, it needs to be key-aware, so that it will use the correct one depending on which key you're in, and do transposition correctly too. None of this is inherently inconsistent with said staff editor living inside a DAW, it just needs to be implemented properly. At the moment, very little of this can be said for Sonar's staff view. Besides the problem with note duration, mentioned above, there seems to be no way to enter a key signature, no way to transpose within the editor besides lasso and drag, no way to enter sharps or flats except by drawing a note and then right-clicking to edit its properties (sharps have to be entered in the text field!!!)... the list goes on. It really wasn't much better in 8.5, though there were a few more buttons and they worked for the most part. I like the new look and all, but it's lipstick on a pig until you can actually do something with it.
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Freddie H
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/13 04:37:02
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Freddie H
Any software Virtual VST-strings like Vienna or East West, all sample keys, key-changes are played and programmed in wrong key in a DAW. Directly print out those scores from the DAW are total pointless for any real musicians.. Those "DAW programming"-scores of the Virtual instrument woudn't make any sense for any Symphony Orchestra musicians.
Not sure what you mean by this. Presumably you're referring to enharmonics, so yeah - to be useful a reasonably full-featured staff editor needs to be able enharmonically aware, i.e. allowing you to write either A# or Bb (et al) and sending the right MIDI note. Moreover, and maybe this is what you're getting at, it needs to be key-aware, so that it will use the correct one depending on which key you're in, and do transposition correctly too. None of this is inherently inconsistent with said staff editor living inside a DAW, it just needs to be implemented properly.
At the moment, very little of this can be said for Sonar's staff view. Besides the problem with note duration, mentioned above, there seems to be no way to enter a key signature, no way to transpose within the editor besides lasso and drag, no way to enter sharps or flats except by drawing a note and then right-clicking to edit its properties (sharps have to be entered in the text field!!!)... the list goes on. It really wasn't much better in 8.5, though there were a few more buttons and they worked for the most part. I like the new look and all, but it's lipstick on a pig until you can actually do something with it.
Exactly agree!
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/13 05:57:25
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Thanks for the answer Freddie.
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/13 09:45:30
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Thanks for the answer Freddie.
You're welcome my friend!
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/13 19:51:35
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I am reserving opinion on QuickFix until I see how "quick" the next update will be.
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/13 20:01:10
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I am reserving opinion on QuickFix until I see how "quick" the next update will be.
exactly... fingers crossed though (or 'thumbs pressed' as they say here in Germany)
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Re:Thank You, Cakewalk!
2011/04/14 05:02:12
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Hopefully we will have less problems in the future so quickfixes are not needed as much. :P
I think it's useful for reactive sake, like if MS release a patch that messes with Sonar, atleast Cakewalk can quickly supply a patch to counter that.
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