That Ed Sheeran vs. Marvin Gaye Song...

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2018/06/29 03:06:54 (permalink)

That Ed Sheeran vs. Marvin Gaye Song...

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    Kamikaze
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    Re: That Ed Sheeran vs. Marvin Gaye Song... 2018/06/29 04:54:22 (permalink)
    Ed Sheeran - Shape of You
     
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     I think he just liked the chord progression. I'd like more songs t be using more chord progressions than
     
     


     

     
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    Re: That Ed Sheeran vs. Marvin Gaye Song... 2018/07/06 05:48:45 (permalink)


     
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    Re: That Ed Sheeran vs. Marvin Gaye Song... 2018/07/06 20:47:18 (permalink)
    Rick Beato is a smart cookie and knows music inside out and backwards.
     
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    Re: That Ed Sheeran vs. Marvin Gaye Song... 2018/07/06 20:58:33 (permalink)
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    Rick Beato is a smart cookie and knows music inside out and backwards.




    Have you seen his videos on his son Dylan and how to develop perfect pitch?  I think his daughter (2 years old) has perfect pitch, too.  Incredibly interesting.  
     
    I'm not sure about the song stealing stuff.  I love Rick, but the idea that songs are melodies and lyrics, while chords and progressions are common material just doesn't work for me.  Not sure why I have a problem with that, it just doesn't seem to fit.  

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    Re: That Ed Sheeran vs. Marvin Gaye Song... 2018/07/06 21:39:27 (permalink)
    And Cake Beepso is.....

    nevermind.
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    Re: That Ed Sheeran vs. Marvin Gaye Song... 2018/07/06 21:40:59 (permalink)
    @Voda, So then every i v vii blues song is a ripoff?
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    Re: That Ed Sheeran vs. Marvin Gaye Song... 2018/07/06 21:44:36 (permalink)
    Its not what's true it what you can argue in court.

    George Harrison "loses" , John Fogerty "wins". And so it goes.
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    Re: That Ed Sheeran vs. Marvin Gaye Song... 2018/07/06 21:47:57 (permalink)
    Its not what's true it what you can argue in court.

    George Harrison "loses" , John Fogerty "wins". And so it goes.
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    Re: That Ed Sheeran vs. Marvin Gaye Song... 2018/07/06 22:42:00 (permalink)
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    @Voda, So then every i v vii blues song is a ripoff?



    No, but I think the opposing logic is problematic too.  Can I not ripoff a single chord progression in all of music history?  There's not one song I could totally copy in terms of chords and progressions and that's not a ripoff at all?
     
    Are modified chords simply a chord with a melodic note?  Or are they part of the common material? I can play a unique set of modified chords that can have quite a signature about them, and that would seem inadequate to say that doesn't make it a song, and yet, I concede it's still just a pile of chords that someone else could put another melody over and perhaps be a different song.  
     
    I don't have strong opinions on the subject, I'm just spitballing and stumbling my way in the dark here. 
     
     

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    Re: That Ed Sheeran vs. Marvin Gaye Song... 2018/07/07 11:31:00 (permalink)
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    Rick Beato is a smart cookie and knows music inside out and backwards.




    Have you seen his videos on his son Dylan and how to develop perfect pitch?  I think his daughter (2 years old) has perfect pitch, too.  Incredibly interesting.  
     
    I'm not sure about the song stealing stuff.  I love Rick, but the idea that songs are melodies and lyrics, while chords and progressions are common material just doesn't work for me.  Not sure why I have a problem with that, it just doesn't seem to fit.  




    I haven't seen that, I'll look for it. Last night I watched his live stream of 'What Makes This Song Great' on Steely Dan's 'Don't Take Me Alive'. I'm amazed how he can reel off the names of those complex chords without thinking about it. He nailed the solos too.

     
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    Re: That Ed Sheeran vs. Marvin Gaye Song... 2018/07/07 11:36:27 (permalink)
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    @Voda, So then every i v vii blues song is a ripoff?



    No, but I think the opposing logic is problematic too.  Can I not ripoff a single chord progression in all of music history?  There's not one song I could totally copy in terms of chords and progressions and that's not a ripoff at all?
     
    Are modified chords simply a chord with a melodic note?  Or are they part of the common material? I can play a unique set of modified chords that can have quite a signature about them, and that would seem inadequate to say that doesn't make it a song, and yet, I concede it's still just a pile of chords that someone else could put another melody over and perhaps be a different song.  
     
    I don't have strong opinions on the subject, I'm just spitballing and stumbling my way in the dark here. 
     
     


     
    I'm sure you could attempt to rip-off recognisable instrumental sections of well-known songs and have a problem - something like the intro to Josie by SD (as per the vid that Kamikaze posted, I can't imagine Ed Sheeran coming up with those chords ) or Andy Summers' riff on Message in a Bottle. No-one's going to get away with copying that kind of stuff. I think it's when the chords are simpler that the grey areas appear.



     
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    Re: That Ed Sheeran vs. Marvin Gaye Song... 2018/07/07 11:39:50 (permalink)


     
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    Re: That Ed Sheeran vs. Marvin Gaye Song... 2018/07/08 02:33:47 (permalink)
    There is some discussion abut how the industry has changed sine the 90's, which follows well from Rick's perspective in the Graham Coxen interview.
     
    At 51:31 it dawns on him he's stolen a chord progression from Freebird.
     


     
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    Re: That Ed Sheeran vs. Marvin Gaye Song... 2018/07/08 17:06:28 (permalink)
    Who needs chord progressions when a simple Am will do?
     
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