Beepster
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That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 today
I've been screwing around with hardware, manuals, a test project (all Sonar content loops) and other annoying stuff. I want to write my first REAL song with X1 starting with a simple drum track. Any advice before I start hacking away at it? It's just going to be a simple blues song so I want a simple bluesy drum track with a few fills tossed in to spice it up. I'd rather write it myself as opposed to using a prefab loop. I've got a padKontrol and I'm not afraid to plunge into the Step Sequencer, Piano Roll, or Matrix either. I'm gonna need to learn them all eventually anyway so I might as well start now. Thanks.
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 13:49:43
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And for some reason s-p-1-c-3 is considered a bad word here. ???
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 14:19:34
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As you say - start with a SIMPLE drum track. Just create a 4 bar section and either copy/paste it for as many times as you need to get an idea going, or turn it into a Groove-Clip (Ctrl + L) and drag it out for as long as you want.
If you do this, your original clip needs to be an exact number of measures long.
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 14:34:36
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Thanks, Bristol_Jonesy. I think I'll watch Seth's Master Class on this subject again before I start. He makes it look pretty easy. I can't wait to finally toss down some guitar tracks which is my forte. Done that a million times before. First time messing with a drum sequencer in any real capacity though. I've always had a live bed track to work with in the past. Wish I could afford some V-Drums.
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 14:56:15
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Beepster
And for some reason s-p-1-c-3 is considered a bad word here. ???
In case you're interested, s p i c e is not what it censored ...just the 1st 4 letters...it used to be a derogatory term for hispanic people many years ago...that censor thing makes mistakes to the point it's ******* useless. BTW, I think watching the videos is probably your best option at this point.
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 15:01:15
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Ah... that makes more sense. Has racism actually been a problem on here? That would make me sad.
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 15:07:34
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Ah... that makes more sense. Has racism actually been a problem on here? That would make me sad.
Not that I can recall...a lot of angry people here at times but I don't remember anyone ever stooping that low...it may just be a default setting for the website or something ...I'll bet words like i d i o t are on the list too.
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 15:24:08
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Well that's good. Ya'll seem like pretty nice dudes even when things get surly. Anyway... I think I want to figure out how to record loops and/or full tracks with the pK. I know how to map it with SD3 now but I'm not quite sure how to make it record notes in the step sequencer. I see dudes on youtube who set the Step Sequencer to play and the just add extra elements on each pass. Also just being able to record free form into PRV would be cool.
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 15:46:17
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Also just being able to record free form into PRV would be cool. PRV is certainly my preference...even when I play "live" from my E kit I have to tweak in PRV. That said, especially if you are entering in notes (for any instrument) be sure to adjust variances in velocity to make it sound more "human".
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 15:49:51
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And don't forget a bout using drum maps (if appropriate). If using my vdrums, editing with a drum map is SO much easier.
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 16:05:25
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@g_randybrown... Yeah, definitely gonna be spending a LOT of time manually adjusting velocities. It's a drag because the padKontrol was supposed to be really good for velocity sensitivity but when I hit a specific pad with the same force the velocities are all over the place to the point it's unusable for intricate work. Because of this I just have to set it to Fixed Velocity and play it that way but it's obviously quite mechanical sounding. IDK if I just got a faulty one but everything else seems to work fine. It's a real drag.
@Blades... Holy crap, dude. Nice drum set up! That must have cost you a fortune. Anyway, I actually had forgotten about the Drum Map. When I first looked at it I found it very confusing. It looks like a souped up Clip Inspector to me and I couldn't figure out how it worked but I didn't dig into it too much. I'll have to really spend some time reading up on that in the manual. BTW... I had to give up on the basic ACT method of mapping the pK because it just wasn't working so I resorted to using the pK controls to manually map my pads to the CC#s in SD3. Kind of a pain. Yet another thing I have to learn more about. Cheers.
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 16:17:42
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I've actually improved slightly on my drum setup with the tdw20 upgrade to the brain.
Go to my website in my signature for a video tutorial on drum maps - might save you some reading time.
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 16:34:09
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Right on, man. I'll definitely check it out. If you can get all that gear working properly I'm bound to learn something. Cheers.
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 18:02:49
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Man, they really need to update that Drum Master Class vid for X1. Even with the little update notes on the bottom I'm having a heck of a time with this. Anyway, I've got this done up to the "Gain Staging" part. In the vid he sets the tracks at -6.2 so I'm sticking with that for now but I'm curious... is that a good spot to be to start with? Never messed with gain staging before.
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 18:06:29
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Bristol_Jonesey
As you say - start with a SIMPLE drum track. Just create a 4 bar section and either copy/paste it for as many times as you need to get an idea going, or turn it into a Groove-Clip (Ctrl + L) and drag it out for as long as you want.
If you do this, your original clip needs to be an exact number of measures long.
I guess that works with ezdrummer too? I've been thinking there's got to be a faster way....geez. I really need to learn more about session drummer myself, I have a friend who prefers it to most drum software.
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 18:14:29
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@clintmartin... As far as I know you should be able to just make your loop with EZDrummer or whatever and use it the same way you'd use a SD loop. HOW that actually would be done I do not know but one of these smart dudes should be able to tell you. I wanna get BFD or Addictive Drums for my main drum sequencer so I really hope they will work that way with X1. Ugh... I miss just have a kit and a bunch of mics for this stuff. So much simpler.
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Beepster
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 18:27:28
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Damn. I've got the Dry Zep Kit loaded but it sounds like the different kit pieces have been panned already. Am I hallucinating hear? The console pan fader knobs are straight ahead. I'd rather do my own kit panning.
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 18:29:56
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Hmm... maybe I'm hallucinating or I've destroyed different frequencies in each of my ears over the years. Never mind.
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 19:22:30
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With Ez drummer you can just drag and drop loops to a track. I've been thinking you should be able to click and hold the right edge of the loop and drag it across, but it doesn't work that way. I think Bristol jonesey has shown me the way with the groove clip deal. I'll try later.
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 19:51:55
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Hi Beepster,
Yes, all the kits are panned already.
There presets in X1 that allows you to insert a Session Drummer 3 template and it automatically sets up the outputs for you with the gain's adjusted so you don't have to mess with it. Basically, the setup steps you saw in Seth's Master Class using 8.5, have been saved as templates in X1 so a lot of it is done for you already.
I always create Groove Clip loops and drag them. If you copy and paste, there is a chance that the clip you copy/pasted could drift away from the timeline.
The other thing to be careful of, with the gains adjusted, sometimes the input signal going in to the PX-64 Percussion Strip isn't loud enough to trigger it and it will appear dead. You may have to raise the gain on the audio output track of the particular drum, or raise the Input inside of PX-64.
Don't forget about the PX-64 Strip. IMO it's one of the best plug-in's Cake has made. Tinker with the 'Shaper' portion of it. It works wonders on drums, and other things.
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 20:05:59
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Hi, Bub. How ya doin'? That is one super helpful post roight thar. Thanks for taking the time. I thought I was going crazy or half deaf with that panning thing. I'm gonna take a look at the SD3 mixer to see if anything is panned there. I really do just want straight ahead hits for this. I'll take a closer look at the templates as well but I'm such a weirdo stickler I'll wanna learn to build my own. I'm not used to that type of work being done for me. Wow... so much info in such a concise post... I have a ton to yammer on about but I think instead I'm gonna just dunk my head into this and see what apples I come up with tonight. I'll be back. Hope all the moving stuff is coming together for you. Thanks.
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 20:12:18
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WTH? My folder "Group" button is gone but I can click the grey space between the minimize button and the folder icon and it selects the tracks. That's annoying.
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 21:02:20
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So is the max number of kit pieces 12 in SD3 or does this change depending on the loaded kit? 12 is fine for now but not nearly enough for my future goals.
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 21:45:43
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Well here's stupid Beepster mistake ya'll can lol about. I had my new headphones on backwards. I've been using them for a couple weeks now and confused left from right and have been wearing them the wrong way since. As annoying as I find this pre panned SD3 stuff that is what made me realize my mistake. I used to actually play drums (like real drums which I smashed with pieces of wood and my bare hands) so that's why it sounded so wonky. It was like I was listening to a left handed kit. But without that error I may not have realized those kits were panned. Oi... so much wackiness. I did certainly learn a lot from that though that I may not have otherwise. lulz... the joys of being a n00b.
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 21:51:10
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Seriously... I'd be disappointed if ya'll didn't mock me for that. I'm giggling myself.
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 21:54:42
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Bub
Hi Beepster,
Yes, all the kits are panned already.
There presets in X1 that allows you to insert a Session Drummer 3 template and it automatically sets up the outputs for you with the gain's adjusted so you don't have to mess with it. Basically, the setup steps you saw in Seth's Master Class using 8.5, have been saved as templates in X1 so a lot of it is done for you already.
I always create Groove Clip loops and drag them. If you copy and paste, there is a chance that the clip you copy/pasted could drift away from the timeline.
The other thing to be careful of, with the gains adjusted, sometimes the input signal going in to the PX-64 Percussion Strip isn't loud enough to trigger it and it will appear dead. You may have to raise the gain on the audio output track of the particular drum, or raise the Input inside of PX-64.
Don't forget about the PX-64 Strip. IMO it's one of the best plug-in's Cake has made. Tinker with the 'Shaper' portion of it. It works wonders on drums, and other things.
Very informative Bub, thanks very much!
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 22:03:01
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Well here's stupid Beepster mistake ya'll can lol about. I had my new headphones on backwards. I've been using them for a couple weeks now and confused left from right and have been wearing them the wrong way since. Firstly you ain't stupid buddy, you just ignorant. It wasn't that long ago that I and a lot of others here (even if they wouldn't admit it) knew much less than you (especially compared to the short amount of time you've been here on the forum)...so don't beat yourself up man...we're all learning and very thankful when someone like you has the b a l l s to go out on a limb to ask ....because we felt it might be a dumb question! Thanks Beep, Randy
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 22:05:34
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BTW, take a permanent marker to mark the left or right headphone...mine aren't marked either and took me a while to figure that mystery out.
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Re:That's it. I'm sick of fiddle faddling. Gonna try to get a drum track going with SD3 to
2012/06/17 22:35:34
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@g_randybrown... Thanks for that. This stuff is hard for the best of us I think because everything moves so fast techwise. Being new to it is... harder. I just hope by rambling on and documenting my adventures will help someone somewhere. There are lots of threads and articles and details on the net but it's all very confusing for someone on the outside looking in. I figure I might as well describe stuff as I go. Kind of a neat experiment. As far as the headphones... they are actually marked l/r. I've just been focusing so much on guitar theory the past couple of years and I'm actually right handed my mind flip flopped left and right on me (because I made my left hand my priority hand). I even tolerated the cable being on the right (which should be left) because I thought it was just a design flaw. It was essentially a complete brainfart that lasted weeks. So silly.
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2012/06/17 23:31:35
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I've just been focusing so much on guitar theory the past couple of years and I'm actually right handed my mind flip flopped left and right on me (because I made my left hand my priority hand). I even tolerated the cable being on the right (which should be left) because I thought it was just a design flaw. It was essentially a complete brainfart that lasted weeks. So silly. I thought that was symptoms of being ambidextrous...maybe you just need to decide which you prefer (must be nice to have a choice)...me...I was a pro drummer for over 20 years and still can't eat with my left hand.
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