FemcanLana
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
- Total Posts : 47
- Joined: 2016/06/04 13:54:27
- Status: offline
The Adaptive Limiter
I dont post here very often but just know I am a very very happy customer and The Adaptive Limiter is soooo AWESOMELY INCREDIBLE. I love it!
Elitebook 2540p 4gigs Steinberg CL1 Shure SM7b AKG 240 MKII Headphones
|
35mm
Max Output Level: -68 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1105
- Joined: 2008/12/09 08:21:44
- Location: Devon, UK
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/30 19:59:05
(permalink)
Cor yes. I just had a little play with it on a track ready for mastering. Very nice. The "Match input loudness" is a great, must have feature. Very handy. Thanks cake bakers!
|
mmarton
Max Output Level: -77 dBFS
- Total Posts : 666
- Joined: 2006/01/26 13:23:30
- Location: White Rock, B.C. Canada
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/30 20:02:34
(permalink)
Anyone compare this to Pro-L?
Happy Sonar Platinum 64 bit Registered Owner Epi Casino, Les Paul, Strat, Martin GPCPA3, Cort C4Z bass, Roland D20 Synth, TC Konnekt48, Sansamp BDDI, Roland JDXI, APS Klasiks, Windows 10 64bit
|
scook
Forum Host
- Total Posts : 24146
- Joined: 2005/07/27 13:43:57
- Location: TX
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/30 20:09:59
(permalink)
☄ Helpfulby Beagle 2017/06/08 19:45:49
|
Thedoccal
Max Output Level: -85 dBFS
- Total Posts : 290
- Joined: 2014/10/12 16:43:08
- Location: Joshua Tree, CA
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/30 20:10:01
(permalink)
I haven't checked yet, but is it in the ProChannel? Or plugin list? And is it called "Adaptive Limiter"? This is my first hearing of it.
http://www.catastrophelounge.comThe NeckDive Strap - NEW^^Sonar: Platinum Lifetime/Computer: i7-870, 16GB RAM, AMD R9 380 graphics, Windows 10 (Pro x64)/500gb SSD C:, Barracuda sample(3T) and projects(1T) drives/3 Display Monitors (2&3 split)/Audio Interface: Behringer UFX1604 USB/Firewire/USB Stick/MIDI: Roland A-800Pro, Keystation Pro 88, Roland UM-3G:/Hardware Synths: Korg M3, Yamaha MOX6, Roland TD-8
|
scook
Forum Host
- Total Posts : 24146
- Joined: 2005/07/27 13:43:57
- Location: TX
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/30 20:13:53
(permalink)
|
Thedoccal
Max Output Level: -85 dBFS
- Total Posts : 290
- Joined: 2014/10/12 16:43:08
- Location: Joshua Tree, CA
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/30 20:19:06
(permalink)
http://www.catastrophelounge.comThe NeckDive Strap - NEW^^Sonar: Platinum Lifetime/Computer: i7-870, 16GB RAM, AMD R9 380 graphics, Windows 10 (Pro x64)/500gb SSD C:, Barracuda sample(3T) and projects(1T) drives/3 Display Monitors (2&3 split)/Audio Interface: Behringer UFX1604 USB/Firewire/USB Stick/MIDI: Roland A-800Pro, Keystation Pro 88, Roland UM-3G:/Hardware Synths: Korg M3, Yamaha MOX6, Roland TD-8
|
35mm
Max Output Level: -68 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1105
- Joined: 2008/12/09 08:21:44
- Location: Devon, UK
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/30 20:24:55
(permalink)
Thedoccal
I haven't checked yet, but is it in the ProChannel? Or plugin list? And is it called "Adaptive Limiter"? This is my first hearing of it.
No pro channel just vst, and yes it's called "Adaptive Limiter".
|
FemcanLana
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
- Total Posts : 47
- Joined: 2016/06/04 13:54:27
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/30 20:25:13
(permalink)
Thedoccal
I haven't checked yet, but is it in the ProChannel? Or plugin list? And is it called "Adaptive Limiter"? This is my first hearing of it.
You have to do the roll back thing and it is a vst. Dont forget to roll back the engineering FX suite too It is the coolest thing since sliced bread lol It makes everything pop out!
Elitebook 2540p 4gigs Steinberg CL1 Shure SM7b AKG 240 MKII Headphones
|
bitflipper
01100010 01101001 01110100 01100110 01101100 01101
- Total Posts : 26036
- Joined: 2006/09/17 11:23:23
- Location: Everett, WA USA
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/30 21:53:55
(permalink)
mmarton
Anyone compare this to Pro-L?
Yes. Pro-L remains king of the hill. However, Adaptive Limiter holds up pretty darn good alongside it, even before taking into account the large price difference.
 All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. My Stuff
|
Anderton
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 14070
- Joined: 2003/11/06 14:02:03
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/31 01:59:03
(permalink)
bitflipper
mmarton
Anyone compare this to Pro-L?
Yes. Pro-L remains king of the hill. However, Adaptive Limiter holds up pretty darn good alongside it, even before taking into account the large price difference.
Think anyone would hear a difference if the two were used on a track?
|
mmarton
Max Output Level: -77 dBFS
- Total Posts : 666
- Joined: 2006/01/26 13:23:30
- Location: White Rock, B.C. Canada
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/31 02:41:35
(permalink)
Good point, feature sets aside if there's no sonic difference (or detectable anyways) I sure like the simpler look of AL. I've got Pro-L and limiter no6 (free). Have used Elephant in the past and was interested in DMG Limitless but all I really "need" is a good transparent limiter. I use Klangfreud Lufs meter for levels.
Happy Sonar Platinum 64 bit Registered Owner Epi Casino, Les Paul, Strat, Martin GPCPA3, Cort C4Z bass, Roland D20 Synth, TC Konnekt48, Sansamp BDDI, Roland JDXI, APS Klasiks, Windows 10 64bit
|
Sh03e
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
- Total Posts : 39
- Joined: 2014/11/30 06:24:07
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/31 03:16:54
(permalink)
I love my PC Concrete Limiter but damn, that little thing makes me jealous not having the 2017 season pass on Steam T^T
|
Sycraft
Max Output Level: -73 dBFS
- Total Posts : 871
- Joined: 2012/05/04 21:06:10
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/31 03:32:15
(permalink)
Anderton
Think anyone would hear a difference if the two were used on a track?
Probably worth trying out to see. Personally I'm interested in trying it against IK's Stealth Limiter. That's my current favorite because it really does seem to work like a volume knob, it just doesn't seem to change the character at all. It also doesn't require (or indeed support) any fiddling with parameters, it is really simple which is good for me since I am not any good at this stuff. I'm going to be interested to give this a go against the Stealth Limiter once the final version launches.
|
Sanderxpander
Max Output Level: -36.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3873
- Joined: 2013/09/30 10:08:24
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/31 07:46:14
(permalink)
☄ Helpfulby donatus 2017/06/17 05:03:17
mmarton
Good point, feature sets aside if there's no sonic difference (or detectable anyways) I sure like the simpler look of AL.
Simpler than Pro L? What's complicated about that one??
|
Sanderxpander
Max Output Level: -36.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3873
- Joined: 2013/09/30 10:08:24
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/31 07:57:59
(permalink)
Anderton
bitflipper
mmarton
Anyone compare this to Pro-L?
Yes. Pro-L remains king of the hill. However, Adaptive Limiter holds up pretty darn good alongside it, even before taking into account the large price difference.
Think anyone would hear a difference if the two were used on a track?
I get your point, truly I do, but I always feel this is a little bit of a lame argument. If YOU hear enough of a difference, it's worth it. Nobody in the general public cares if you used a vintage LA2A, a Warm Audio clone or a plugin either. They wouldn't even be able to tell. Your musician friend probably couldn't even tell. But if that became the standard why make music at all? I at least am doing it because I love it and I get a kick out of every extra percent of extra quality I can squeeze out. Whether it's through studying on my instrument or by buying a piece of kit (hardware or software).
|
tonydude
Max Output Level: -88 dBFS
- Total Posts : 107
- Joined: 2010/08/18 17:56:04
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/31 09:03:31
(permalink)
Will the Adaptive Limiter be available for Sonar Professional or is it Platinum only?
|
The Grim 
Max Output Level: -76 dBFS
- Total Posts : 724
- Joined: 2016/04/19 02:31:06
- Location: hades
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/31 09:07:32
(permalink)
☄ Helpfulby tonydude 2017/05/31 10:22:50
tonydude
Will the Adaptive Limiter be available for Sonar Professional or is it Platinum only?
Adaptive Limiter
(Platinum and Professional)
The Adaptive Limiter is a professional look-ahead brickwall peak limiter that is designed for both mixing and mastering now available in the Engineering Suite. It feature Inter Sample Peak (ISP) detection, 4 different limiting “Character” types, LUFS Loudness & K-Metering, as well MP3 codec preview, and real-time dithering. These different limiting types allow the engineer to have control over how transparent or aggressive the limiter behaves so it can be catered for different material making it a great track limiter and a perfect mastering limiter.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/The-Early-Access-Program-is-Now-Live-for-the-Upcoming-Release-of-SONAR-201705-m3610677.aspx
|
Anderton
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 14070
- Joined: 2003/11/06 14:02:03
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/31 15:40:44
(permalink)
Sanderxpander
Anderton
bitflipper
mmarton
Anyone compare this to Pro-L?
Yes. Pro-L remains king of the hill. However, Adaptive Limiter holds up pretty darn good alongside it, even before taking into account the large price difference.
Think anyone would hear a difference if the two were used on a track?
I get your point, truly I do, but I always feel this is a little bit of a lame argument.
It's not a "lame argument," it's a legitimate question but I guess no one is interested in answering it. I don't have a Pro-L, or I wouldn't have to ask...I could do the comparison myself.
|
groovey1
Max Output Level: -85 dBFS
- Total Posts : 288
- Joined: 2008/09/30 20:00:28
- Location: W. Canada
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/31 16:19:15
(permalink)
Will there be any point in continuing to use the Concrete Limiter once we have this?
I know I haven't touched Boost 11 since I got the Concrete Limiter.
|
Anderton
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 14070
- Joined: 2003/11/06 14:02:03
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/31 16:36:03
(permalink)
groovey1
Will there be any point in continuing to use the Concrete Limiter once we have this?
I know I haven't touched Boost 11 since I got the Concrete Limiter.
The perfect segue to my question in the post previous to yours  They do have a different "sound," especially the harder you push them...and the CL has that bass switch which can be pretty incredible. I didn't stop using the Quadcurve EQ when the LP EQ appeared, and I suspect this is an analogous situation.
|
bitflipper
01100010 01101001 01110100 01100110 01101100 01101
- Total Posts : 26036
- Joined: 2006/09/17 11:23:23
- Location: Everett, WA USA
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/31 17:08:23
(permalink)
Anderton
Think anyone would hear a difference if the two were used on a track?
On a track, probably not. On a full mix, I had no problem hearing the difference in a blind A/B/X, 100% of the time. However, I could also make Pro-L sound worse than AL with little effort.
All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. My Stuff
|
telecharge
Max Output Level: -67 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1180
- Joined: 2014/03/31 18:01:17
- Location: Enfuego, Monterey
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/31 18:04:39
(permalink)
Great thread (for the most part). Thanks for the feedback and comparisons. As someone who doesn't own CL or Pro-L, it's good to know the Adaptive Limiter is comparable.
|
Sanderxpander
Max Output Level: -36.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3873
- Joined: 2013/09/30 10:08:24
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/31 18:27:35
(permalink)
Anderton
Sanderxpander
Anderton
bitflipper
mmarton
Anyone compare this to Pro-L?
Yes. Pro-L remains king of the hill. However, Adaptive Limiter holds up pretty darn good alongside it, even before taking into account the large price difference.
Think anyone would hear a difference if the two were used on a track?
I get your point, truly I do, but I always feel this is a little bit of a lame argument.
It's not a "lame argument," it's a legitimate question but I guess no one is interested in answering it. I don't have a Pro-L, or I wouldn't have to ask...I could do the comparison myself.
Excuse me, perhaps I jumped the gun - you seemed to be sticking up for Cakewalk's tools (as you are wont to do, and rightfully so a lot of the time) rather than genuinely asking for a comparison. Sorry if I misinterpreted. Bitflipper answered the question you posed to him so I'll just shut up now.
|
Anderton
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 14070
- Joined: 2003/11/06 14:02:03
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/31 19:04:34
(permalink)
Sanderxpander
Bitflipper answered the question you posed to him so I'll just shut up now.
Well I actually was hoping for more detail on the nature of the difference, like whether setting them for theoretically the same amount of attack/release sounded the same, or whether there was a correlation between the different characters...but I'll live with "I can tell the difference." It's like when I first started playing with linear-phase EQs. I could tell they sounded different but couldn't quantify it until I set the controls on both standard and linear-phase EQs to the same settings and ran program material through them.
|
bitflipper
01100010 01101001 01110100 01100110 01101100 01101
- Total Posts : 26036
- Joined: 2006/09/17 11:23:23
- Location: Everett, WA USA
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/05/31 20:07:21
(permalink)
You can't configure the two identically, because "attack" and "release" mean different things to each of them. Pro-L uses a two-stage process; the attack setting determines when the limiter switches from transient-protection stage to a more conventional dynamics mode. In order to make Pro-L behave like a normal limiter, you have to basically turn off the main feature that sets it apart, namely its unique transient stage. This makes it challenging to perform an apples-to-apples comparison.
All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. My Stuff
|
35mm
Max Output Level: -68 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1105
- Joined: 2008/12/09 08:21:44
- Location: Devon, UK
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/06/01 00:38:39
(permalink)
As a mastering limiter, I have been reaching for the Slate Digital FG-X recently. It's quick, transparent and useful. In comparison, I can't get as good results from AL yet (only tried on one master sesh) - gets pumpy easily and not as transparent. However, I can see lots of uses for it and definitely a great tool. I will try again on mastering, maybe this track wasn't a good test, but the FG-X has a good workflow for me which doesn't detract from what I'm trying to achieve too much. I generally work with material that wants to maintain dynamics while being powerful and in this one, single test I couldn't easily get to that with AL.
|
Lord Tim
Max Output Level: -74 dBFS
- Total Posts : 837
- Joined: 2003/11/10 10:33:43
- Location: Australia
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/06/01 07:23:47
(permalink)
I found that if you don't have the release set to minimum it gets super pumpy - which, to be fair, is great for some styles of music. With a bit of fiddling, I could get this to sound just as loud and transparent as Waves L2 on a fairly dense metal mix, which is pretty impressive!
|
Sycraft
Max Output Level: -73 dBFS
- Total Posts : 871
- Joined: 2012/05/04 21:06:10
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/06/03 05:20:28
(permalink)
After messing with it a bit, I like it overall. It doesn't seem to be quite as transparent as IK Stealth Limiter (at least not with default settings) but very close. The UI is great. I wish more plugins would look at doing GPU acceleration of their UI. Everything flows completely smooth and tracks with the audio flawlessly. Easily the best limiter UI I've seen yet. It also doesn't hit the system too hard (Stealth Limiter in 16x mode is a bit of a hog).
On its own, I think it would be a pretty compelling product to stand up to others out there. Particularly for people who want a limiter with some flexibility. I don't imagine Waves would have any trouble selling a product of this class with their kit. As something included with a DAW, well it is absolutely first rate.
|
rodreb
Max Output Level: -72 dBFS
- Total Posts : 915
- Joined: 2003/11/06 14:59:42
- Location: Ohio
- Status: offline
Re: The Adaptive Limiter
2017/06/03 17:31:35
(permalink)
My go-to limiter has been the Concrete Limiter for quite a while. In fact, once I got the CL, it replaced my Sonnox Limiter and my Waves L2. There's just something it does to the overall sound that I really like.
With the release of the Adaptive Limiter, I was hopeful that it might be even better than the CL. So far, I haven't been able to get it to sound (to my ears) as good as the CL.
I wonder which settings on the Adaptive Limiter would be closest to the way the CL effects the signal? Anyone know?
|