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2017/01/24 21:41:23 (permalink)

The Adventures of Mr. Marvelous

http://soundcloud.com/wesleydavis-recordings/the-adventures-of-mr-marvelous
 
This time I've made an attempt at writing a 'legit' superhero theme song.
 
 
The recording process was (has been) quite long and tedious in the last couple of days, mostly because I'm not a studio musician. That of course meant a lot of editing, recording, re-recording, etc... getting up to do things over again, and mixing as I went. 
I'm quite satisfied with it for the 3-day recording time frame, and it's helped me to sort of 'dimensionalize' how long a track like this might take to record.
 
Let me know what you think, or what I can do to the improve the tune!
post edited by davdud101 - 2017/01/31 11:39:40

 
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Re: The Adventures of Mr. Marvelous 2017/01/24 21:56:32 (permalink)
That's a neat idea and I think you came up with a good one. That's a pretty good arrangement which foretells of heroic deeds to come.
 
Overall, the thing was pretty quiet. I had Soundcloud volume up over halfway, and noticed it was a lot softer in volume than most other tracks. Where are your meters peaking on your master bus? Did you have a limiter on your master bus? I wouldn't slam it or anything, but I think it could do with a volume boost overall.
 
Ta-daa! Nice job on the mix and the different little themes.
 
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Re: The Adventures of Mr. Marvelous 2017/01/25 08:42:07 (permalink)
I think you did a good job of realizing your theme and sticking with it throughout the piece. Nice job on this. The only thing that would make it better would be better instruments, as in better sample libraries, but only if you're interested in going down that road.
 
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Re: The Adventures of Mr. Marvelous 2017/01/25 10:26:19 (permalink)
Just goes to show how much systems vary from listener to listener, I had to push the Soundcloud volume to full, I normally have to turn it down to half for most tracks.

To me it sounded like you achieved your objective of an epic movie intro soundtrack, as noted better samples could have been used but.....  Thanks for sharing.

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Re: The Adventures of Mr. Marvelous 2017/01/25 12:18:47 (permalink)
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Just goes to show how much systems vary from listener to listener, I had to push the Soundcloud volume to full, I normally have to turn it down to half for most tracks.

To me it sounded like you achieved your objective of an epic movie intro soundtrack, as noted better samples could have been used but.....  Thanks for sharing.




 
It's also interesting how each of us *shares our anamnesis*  I like to think of a musician's anamnesis as his or her history of listening.  Davdud has lots of classic ideas in his writing.  (I told you I'm obTUSE!)

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Re: The Adventures of Mr. Marvelous 2017/01/25 13:23:08 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mcourter 2017/01/27 17:49:34
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Just goes to show how much systems vary from listener to listener, I had to push the Soundcloud volume to full, I normally have to turn it down to half for most tracks.

To me it sounded like you achieved your objective of an epic movie intro soundtrack, as noted better samples could have been used but.....  Thanks for sharing.




 
It's also interesting how each of us *shares our anamnesis*  I like to think of a musician's anamnesis as his or her history of listening.  Davdud has lots of classic ideas in his writing.  (I told you I'm obTUSE!)


 if you say so, obtuse is not the word I would use but then each to their own.

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Re: The Adventures of Mr. Marvelous 2017/01/25 13:36:16 (permalink)
You're not alone, the jury is out on Obtuseness:
 
Usage Note: Obtuse is sometimes used where one might expect abstruse instead, but the Usage Panel is divided on the acceptability of these usages. In our 2009 survey, 55 percent of the Usage Panel rejected obtuse meaning “recondite,” as in The reader has to struggle through dense prose and obtuse references to modern philosophers. Some 52 percent rejected the word when used to mean “indirect or oblique” in the sentence Divorce is mentioned, and there are a few obtuse references to sex. By contrast, 56 percent accepted sentences in which obtuse was used to mean “hard to follow or understand” in the phrases obtuse instructions and obtuse explanation. Perhaps the use of the word as a sophisticated synonym of stupid makes these extended derogatory uses more tolerable than they otherwise might be.
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Re: The Adventures of Mr. Marvelous 2017/01/25 15:59:39 (permalink)
The theme holds well together, had an Indiana Jones kinda feel to the beginning. I do agree the whole mix was a bit on the quiet side.

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Re: The Adventures of Mr. Marvelous 2017/01/25 20:48:43 (permalink)
I am going to keep this on my phone and play it every time I walk into a room :)
Good stuff again
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Re: The Adventures of Mr. Marvelous 2017/01/26 12:51:47 (permalink)
Thanks for listening, and for the feedback so far, guys!
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Overall, the thing was pretty quiet. I had Soundcloud volume up over halfway, and noticed it was a lot softer in volume than most other tracks. Where are your meters peaking on your master bus? Did you have a limiter on your master bus? I wouldn't slam it or anything, but I think it could do with a volume boost overall.


ES, I actually probably should've put a limiter or long compressor over the whole thing. But I've noticed that on all the systems and headphones I've played the track on, it's been a very pleasant volume when at only 70% or 80%, and gets (for me) to be TOO loud at 95%/100%. Hm! I will bear that in mind for the future, though.
 
Good notes about improving the quality of the samples. Exactly which ones should be improved upon? I'm using some pretty basic libraries (my strings are a combination of SI-String Section and some soundfonts. The percussion is SI-Drumkit and SessionDrummer, and the high winds are soundfonts as well. Brass is all recorded 'live', most importantly.)
I think it'd serve me well to just have a couple days of a 'listening party' on my system with real soundtracks to get an ear for how they should sound quality-wise. I HAVEN't done that yet, silly me.
 
Again guys, thanks for taking a look! The track was a lot of fun to make. I can tell it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I really like this kind of stuff, and it gives me the opportunity to practice my horns without necessarily sitting down for a two-hour practice session.
 
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Re: The Adventures of Mr. Marvelous 2017/01/27 11:28:29 (permalink)
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The theme holds well together, had an Indiana Jones kinda feel to the beginning. I do agree the whole mix was a bit on the quiet side.




Yes, I saw Indie while listening to this Very well done David, you're hitting your stride as a composer.

 
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Re: The Adventures of Mr. Marvelous 2017/01/27 14:30:20 (permalink)
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Good notes about improving the quality of the samples. Exactly which ones should be improved upon? I'm using some pretty basic libraries (my strings are a combination of SI-String Section and some soundfonts. The percussion is SI-Drumkit and SessionDrummer, and the high winds are soundfonts as well. Brass is all recorded 'live', most importantly.)



Well, before you even think about improving your samples, you'll have to decide whether your machine will support it. Orchestral sample libraries are massive, and they need a good system or else they'll give you trouble and take the fun out of it. Personally, I'd recommend East West' Quantum Leap Symphony Orchestra. It's an older library that is pretty well-rounded and will give you a huge upgrade without too much money being spent.  8dio has a new library that is also pretty good, but you'll need Kontakt to run it. Once you have Kontakt, there is a whole world of samples open to you.
 
Like I said earlier, get a full orchestra library for starter, then you can add specific instruments as you need them later for specific songs.
 
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Re: The Adventures of Mr. Marvelous 2017/01/27 17:50:11 (permalink)
Well, that was....super! Truly. A ton of fun.

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Re: The Adventures of Mr. Marvelous 2017/01/27 19:43:08 (permalink)
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Re: The Adventures of Mr. Marvelous 2017/01/29 11:57:47 (permalink)
Thats my kind of music! Great brass musicians there, are you playing yourself? Its difficult to mix in real instruments with samples. Maybe try if you have two mikes, one really close and one a few meters away. Then blend the result, and remove some low mid. Use same reverb on everything so it sounds like they are playing in the same room. The orchestration and melodies are really nice. Btw I remember a catchy song you did here 2-3 years ago - you have skills. The mixing will come eventually.

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Re: The Adventures of Mr. Marvelous 2017/01/30 12:17:36 (permalink)
Thanks a lot for the feedback, guys! I'm continuing forward to working on other projects in this vein. First I want to go back ans rework some of the old arrangements I had from a few years ago, so that'll be fun.
 
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Like I said earlier, get a full orchestra library for starter, then you can add specific instruments as you need them later for specific songs.
 
Dan

I'll do that! I've got a little bit of cash I can set aside, seems like it'd only be to my best to invest in some better sample libraries.
 
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Thats my kind of music! Great brass musicians there, are you playing yourself? Its difficult to mix in real instruments with samples. Maybe try if you have two mikes, one really close and one a few meters away. Then blend the result, and remove some low mid. Use same reverb on everything so it sounds like they are playing in the same room. The orchestration and melodies are really nice. Btw I remember a catchy song you did here 2-3 years ago - you have skills. The mixing will come eventually.



Yup, I played all the parts here. Like I said- it was a long, tedious, but somewhat therapeutic process going back and forth in recording and mixing, practicing a few days in advance, and just getting myself prepared.
 
About that miking technique - are you referring to miking the sound output from the speakers of the samples? Or the live brass? I've heard of it being done for brass, but it makes me nervous having double-tracks for everything.
Or am I visualizing the technique wrong?
Thanks for the comps! it's been a while since I worked in that 'pop' style (after a year of arranging purely for big band), but I've been wanting to get back into it. I'l certainly be doing so sometime in the course of the year.

 
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Re: The Adventures of Mr. Marvelous 2017/01/30 13:10:21 (permalink)
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About that miking technique - are you referring to miking the sound output from the speakers of the samples? Or the live brass? I've heard of it being done for brass, but it makes me nervous having double-tracks for everything.
Or am I visualizing the technique wrong?



Live brass. I haven't tried double mics other than in good acoustics, maybe the farther-away-mic is pointless in smaller rooms. When you record at home you often have to deal with bad acoustics (trying to get the bedroom recordings not to sound like bedroom). A close mic + reverb or tiny delay could make it sound better.  I've moved my violin recording out of the bedroom because of really bad acoustic sound, and nowadays record in a reflexion filter in my living room. 

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Re: The Adventures of Mr. Marvelous 2017/01/31 23:51:03 (permalink)
It's worth a shot! I've seen a lot of videos on recording brass - but I'll need to see a lot more.
 
I tried something out today where I set up a mic in the closet and one more mc behind me. Stupidly, I had it pointed up towards the corner of the room and ended up with this REALLY weird effect of built-up frequencies that sounded really awful for a 'room' mic. But it was good to try for a first! I've never had the opportunity to do this, but my new mic pair came in yesterday so I gave it a shot. I'll try a different setup tomorrow.
Maybe I'll use one close mic and have the other in line with the horn, but several feet further away.
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