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2012/11/29 07:34:41 (permalink)

The Dance - Garth Brooks cover

Heres my first public posting of a recording in x2.
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Vocals is my thing. Music is a backing tack.

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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/29 11:10:13 (permalink)
The vocal is well sung.  For a more intimate sound, try backing off some of the reverb-the vocal sound like it wasn't in the same space as the instruments.  Other than that, very nice.

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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/29 11:34:23 (permalink)
Hi Lynn
cheers for that.
I can do that. Im using Breverb, do can either back off the wet, or adjust the damping etc.
I'll try some options.


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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/29 12:21:46 (permalink)
Yeah.... I agree, the vocal is too effected. This song is well sung and since you mentioned that the vocals are your thing... let them shine. 

On a vocal track I only use EQ, and reverb.  On the EQ... bring out the shine and sparkle. With reverb, generally, my rule of thumb is to set a dark or bright plate and then turn it all the way down...100% dry....then slowly turn it up while the vocal is playing until I can hear the reverb, and then I back it down again slowly until I can NOT hear it. That is where I normally leave it set. 

Use as few FX on vox as possible. 

Turn the vocals up since they are the star in this song...and from what I can hear, you have a good voice... don't ruin it with FX.... they are not needed. 

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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/29 12:49:25 (permalink)
hey Wildman - yeah great vocals. I echo (pardon the pun) the other comments about the reverb - you only need a teeny bit
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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/29 12:51:50 (permalink)
thanks guys.
thats really helpfull once again.
I shall give it a go and modify my uploaded file.


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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/29 13:13:14 (permalink)
 The link is dead here.

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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/29 13:30:00 (permalink)
OK I have altered the reverb and brought it right down, (maybe too much, i'm not sure).
Same link takes you to the remixed track.

It changes the feel of the song a lot by doing this I thought.

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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/29 13:55:16 (permalink)
 OK link worked that time. Loved this. I get a little choked up when I hear this song because I remember hearing  it in a movie that was a tear jerker. 

  I didn't hear the first version so I can't compare the two. I think the vocal almost seems to be phasing or chorusing somehow although it came through the mix ok. There still seems to be something amiss with the vocal but I'm not sure what. I also got some faint popping here at my end maybe the result of the upload to soundcloud.

 You have a great vocal and the rest of the mix is pretty good. Sometimes with vocals less is more. I also have the tendency to add to many condiments on my vocals. It's probably something minor to correct and it doesn't necessarily break the song.

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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/29 14:22:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Better without the reverb but it still sounds like you are doubling the vocals. 

Slightly out of sync to each other.....I'd wager they are cloned and nudged..... or possibly a "doubling" plug in. 



I would mute all but the best SINGLE vocal track and repost it one more time. 



Using multiple tracks for layering or thickening is a tricky procedure... not easy to get it right with out having a phased sound to it....and you really do not want to simply clone a track for proper doubling.... record it fresh for each layer. 
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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/29 16:23:25 (permalink)
re-done once more as suggested by Guitarhacker.
I cant hear any reverb, although it still goes through the Breverb plug with a low wet level.
I also took off the double effect which was previously there via the VX64 Vocal Strip plug.

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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/29 18:17:08 (permalink)
good work... Vox reminds me a little of Elvis Costello...

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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/29 22:39:13 (permalink)
Nice singing ...The vocals need a little compression & reverb to blend with the Instruments.... Try double tracking the vox to get a thicker sound to them or use a doubler on a bus..I would even try singing it in a lower key and blending both tracks together.


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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/30 04:16:53 (permalink)
hi 
thanks to notnat and alkie for your comments.
notnat: it must be my English London accent coming through
alkie: thats really interesting as previous comments suggested that i had too much reverb on, and that i should remove the doubling effect whuch i had on it.i remixed the vocal and re uploaded the track (so you never got to hear it) but im left thinking the same as you now.
The vocal has lost its atmosphere.
I have always been a user of rich reverbs, usually short and thick, as it suits the tone of my voice i feel.

I shall try again to compromise between the two extremes.
Then I will re upload it again.

All good stuff here guys. Very informative and constructive.
What a truly great forum we have.

post edited by the wildman - 2012/11/30 04:18:24

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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/30 06:19:00 (permalink)

OK guys here it is.
i have remixed the vocal fx.
If i'm in the right direction now that will be good.
if i'm in the wrong direction then I really need some assistance.  
I think it is a little bit better balanced now?

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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/30 08:40:21 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
the wildman


hi 
thanks to notnat and alkie for your comments.
notnat: it must be my English London accent coming through
alkie: thats really interesting as previous comments suggested that i had too much reverb on, and that i should remove the doubling effect whuch i had on it.i remixed the vocal and re uploaded the track (so you never got to hear it) but im left thinking the same as you now.
The vocal has lost its atmosphere.
I have always been a user of rich reverbs, usually short and thick, as it suits the tone of my voice i feel.

I shall try again to compromise between the two extremes.
Then I will re upload it again.

All good stuff here guys. Very informative and constructive.
What a truly great forum we have.


Hi Wildman, yes there are alot of people on this forum that like dry and unnaffected vocals. And that`s thier perogotive...In todays music vocals are effected to give them some life that`s just the way it is....I didn`t read earlier posts but doesn`t matter I would have still come to the same conclusion. Garths vocals were doubled and reverbed with a long room effect.


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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/30 14:02:52 (permalink)
 I think it sounds much better now. I think that effected vocals fit in certain cases and with certain voices and songs. In this case to me the vocals are basically what make the song and so they should come up front well in the mix and not sound phased overly chorused or doubled. 

  It isn't a sin to double but overdoing any of it can take away from rather than add to a mix. Really nice job and singing here!

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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/30 14:25:16 (permalink)
Thank you starise
Glad you enjoyed it.
Thanks to all for all your comments here.
Really good!

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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/30 15:09:04 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Man... that is what I'm talking about...! 

1000% improvement..... don't you agree? 

Now it sounds like it should sound. That was a quick lesson in getting good sounding vox tracks.

The only thing remaining.... in my opinion is to brighten the vocals a tiny bit using EQ....and since I work mainly in country music, the vocals ...if I was mixing would be just a db or two louder. 

In country music.... it's all about the singer and their voice.... that's what bring in the paying fans. 

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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/30 15:14:21 (permalink)
Cool!
Cheers Herb
I can try to put this into practice from now on.
Im much happier with the mix now.

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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/30 15:21:39 (permalink)
On my vocal mixes, it is generally very simple and no frills when it comes to plugs in the tracks and the busses. 

I have tried it all in the elusive attempt to make mediocre vocals sound good...(talking about my vocals) .. but when it all shakes out.... the best sound is a simple track, recorded well, and very little usage of FX. 

Its a good lesson to learn early. I hear some folks still trying to use FX to get a good vocal track and it just doesn't generally work that way. 

I'm looking to hear some of you original stuff..... if you write. 

If you have not listened to my tracks, have a listen... on my web site...link to my music and listen. Start at the top.

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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/30 15:41:17 (permalink)
Hi Herb
Yes ive already tried to listen to your music, but im using an ipad out of the studio, but it does not play ball with soundclick.
In fact thats one reason why i chose soundcloud, also because sonar x2 has integration for soundcloud built in.
I will listen next time im on the studio pc to listen to your songs via soundclick.
Cheers 

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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/30 16:06:16 (permalink)
OK   thanks.... I did not know that. 

I see lots of folks are switching to sound cloud.... I have contemplated switching to drop box since I think I can post honest 320kbs files there and they play... I should investigate the details on that.

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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/30 16:49:16 (permalink)
I missed the first versions but this sounds good in every means. So not so much suggestions more of - wow I LIKE THIS!
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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/30 16:54:55 (permalink)
Thanks eko!
(The previous versions just had varying amounts of effect on the vocal)



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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/11/30 19:25:56 (permalink)
Nice job on this. I have my own version I might post just for a style comparison. Later!

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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/12/02 10:51:39 (permalink)
I missed all the other versions, but I really like this one.  Beautiful!  You've got a great voice! 
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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/12/02 11:30:53 (permalink)
Hi to Scottytunes and Janet

thank you so much for your kind comments!
Ive been listening to your music Janet on reverbnation, I especially enjoyed 'Shadow of the moon'.


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Re:The Dance - Garth Brooks cover 2012/12/02 11:38:20 (permalink)
Thank you! 
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