Rain
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The Failure Epiphany...
When I started writing for my wife, I explored every possible genre. Slow Blues-ish included. This was one of those early song ideas I kept jamming to. I thought the solo was a total rip off of two of my heroes. But apparently, I failed because that's not what people heard when they heard the demo. Not that I don't see what they mean, but the names that come up usually aren't the ones I thought I was stealing from...
If YOU had to name two major influences... Who was I trying to imitate?
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/11 10:00:48
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2017/02/11 11:14:24
Ace Frehley and David Gilmour? Sounded Gilmour-ish in the 2nd half, and we know you're a Kiss fan... 
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/11 10:04:29
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2017/02/11 11:14:16
Hi,
Again, and I posted in another thread about this, what you "think", and "see" is an invisible idea that few will be able to pick up and recognize. Expecting anyone to find these is probably something that would be a bit too freaky for most people.
As I have suggested to you before, you create, play and write for you and your wife. Stop worrying or thinking about the other end, until you are done putting it together, or it will never happen. The guitar bends and stretches would fit very nice with some body gymnastics, for my vision, for example, and you might want to consider that some more.
Creativity can be tough, and sometimes it might sound like ... or write like ... or paint like ... ALMOST ALWAYS because the tools are the same ... RARELY EVER because it is true.
BTW, the piece you posted WAS VERY NICE, and I only heard RAIN and wanted to hear more ... I'm just glad I did not compare or was interested in anyone else at that moment. I might have a suggestion or two, but they are private and not for public intoxication!
Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides!
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Rain
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/11 11:17:53
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jamesg1213
Ace Frehley and David Gilmour? Sounded Gilmour-ish in the 2nd half, and we know you're a Kiss fan...
Believe it or not, you're the first person to mention Gilmour - and that was spot on! I'm awfully glad to see Ace Frehley's name as he is a huge influence - the guitar player I was thinking about is one of his influences I believe...
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/11 11:26:12
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Rain
jamesg1213
Ace Frehley and David Gilmour? Sounded Gilmour-ish in the 2nd half, and we know you're a Kiss fan...
Believe it or not, you're the first person to mention Gilmour - and that was spot on!
I'm awfully glad to see Ace Frehley's name as he is a huge influence - the guitar player I was thinking about is one of his influences I believe...
0:37-0:40 is pure Gilmour Nice tone btw!
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/11 11:45:51
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Rain
If YOU had to name two major influences... Who was I trying to imitate?
Jeff Beck David Gilmour
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/11 12:27:58
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I'm getting Beck/Gilmour vibes as well, which is great!
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/11 12:50:27
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I'm not hearing Jeff Beck. The melodic nature makes it very much like something Gilmour would do. There's a lot of players to choose from for style matching. Don Felder also fits as does Joe Walsh.
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/11 13:03:59
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The funny thing is that the only Jeff Beck song I've ever listened to was a cover of Stevie Wonder's Superstitious. I KNOW he is an amazing guitarist, but I just never took the time..
Likewise, I remember recording my part on a record and being told that it sounded like Steve Morse. To this day, I've never heard him.
I'm a serious failure - I was trying to channel a Jimmy Page kind of thing..
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/11 13:07:32
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2017/02/11 13:18:23
Well there's your problem. You play way too clean to sound like Page. Make some mistakes, slur a few chords and let your guitar hang about 6 inches lower. Let me know know that works. :)
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/11 13:33:12
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Herring Gary Moore and a little Walter Trout
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/11 13:52:53
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Rain
The funny thing is that the only Jeff Beck song I've ever listened to was a cover of Stevie Wonder's Superstitious. I KNOW he is an amazing guitarist, but I just never took the time..
Likewise, I remember recording my part on a record and being told that it sounded like Steve Morse. To this day, I've never heard him.
I'm a serious failure - I was trying to channel a Jimmy Page kind of thing..
I got told for years that I sound like Jeff Beck without actually having listened to any of his music. When eventually I did get around to listening to some of it, it was eerie. In parts though, not all of it. I could never come close, in truth, the guy is one of the most tasteful guitarists in the world. His rendition of "Where Were You" at Ronnie Scott's is unreal.
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/11 13:55:44
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Anyone wishing to emulate Beck really has to up their whammy bar technique tho....
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/11 16:55:18
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Definitely Gilmourish on the back end, but closer to Randy at the front.
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/11 16:56:33
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2017/02/12 03:38:53
Oops! Forgot to mention that not only did I like it, this is definitely the type of music I love to listen to! So finish whatever you're doing and get it out there! 
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/11 17:17:09
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sharke
Rain
The funny thing is that the only Jeff Beck song I've ever listened to was a cover of Stevie Wonder's Superstitious. I KNOW he is an amazing guitarist, but I just never took the time..
Likewise, I remember recording my part on a record and being told that it sounded like Steve Morse. To this day, I've never heard him.
I'm a serious failure - I was trying to channel a Jimmy Page kind of thing..
I got told for years that I sound like Jeff Beck without actually having listened to any of his music. When eventually I did get around to listening to some of it, it was eerie. In parts though, not all of it. I could never come close, in truth, the guy is one of the most tasteful guitarists in the world. His rendition of "Where Were You" at Ronnie Scott's is unreal.
Other than being told I sound like cats being knocked off an alley fence, I've had people say that they hear some evidence of Blackmore in there (VERY little I'm sure) which makes sense when you consider that Craig Goldy was the only teacher I ever had (and for not long enough) and he was heavily influenced by Ritchie, heck it was his prime influence actually.
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2017/02/12 03:30:04
Sheanes
Herring Gary Moore and a little Walter Trout
Ditto, I definitely heard some Gary Moore in the (very fluid) runs Krist. Very nice mate, love the string vibrato in there.
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/12 03:38:19
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Thanks for the kind words guys.
Gary Moore is one of the names that keeps coming up. The weird thing is that I've heard only 2 or 3 of his songs, way back in the days - a guitar solo and a song called Hiroshima IIRC. A shame,really. I know he's great, I just never got around to listening to him.
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/12 03:41:33
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So are you going to tell us who you think you were "channeling?" 
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/12 03:46:02
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Rain
Likewise, I remember recording my part on a record and being told that it sounded like Steve Morse. To this day, I've never heard him.
I had a comparison to Steve Morse a couple of times too, and Eric Johnson. At the time I'd never listened to either. Morse is now one of my favourite players, especially with Flying Colors.
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/12 03:54:18
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Heh, kind of makes you wonder how many other awesome guitarists are out there that we've simply never heard of, doesn't it? 
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/12 04:49:52
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obviously all those years Beck & Moore were copying Sharke and Rain.
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/12 12:09:59
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craigb
Heh, kind of makes you wonder how many other awesome guitarists are out there that we've simply never heard of, doesn't it?
Two words: Danny Gatton
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/12 12:10:47
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Sheanes
obviously all those years Beck & Moore were copying Sharke and Rain.
You do realize that your profile pic imparts a face palm expression to every post you write, yes? LOL! I can't unsee it, sorry.....
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2017/02/13 19:47:44
Rain
Thanks for the kind words guys.
Gary Moore is one of the names that keeps coming up. The weird thing is that I've heard only 2 or 3 of his songs, way back in the days - a guitar solo and a song called Hiroshima IIRC. A shame,really. I know he's great, I just never got around to listening to him.
A few of his best known tracks Krist: Blues #1: Blues #2/Slide: Ballad #1: Ballad #2/Soft Rock: Rock #1: Rock #2:
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/12 16:10:50
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2017/02/12 16:38:08
Gary Moore was definitely a player where the word "tasteful" applied.
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/12 17:13:27
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Rain
The funny thing is that the only Jeff Beck song I've ever listened to was a cover of Stevie Wonder's Superstitious. I KNOW he is an amazing guitarist, but I just never took the time.."
listen to his latest release:"Loudhailer" and try to forget he is 72 years old.
he is as relevant today as he was in Gilmour`s and Moore`s heydays.
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/12 17:52:40
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sharke
Sheanes
obviously all those years Beck & Moore were copying Sharke and Rain.
You do realize that your profile pic imparts a face palm expression to every post you write, yes? LOL! I can't unsee it, sorry.....
Thanks James, I need to get another profile pic soon....appreciate ye remind me of it
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/12 18:06:22
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I'm hearing a little Mike Skill in there...maybe gary richrath. :D:D
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Re: The Failure Epiphany...
2017/02/12 18:29:12
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Getting a bit depressed as the list of names keeps including those that are no longer alive! Both Gary's for example...
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