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The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
after about a month and a half with Sonar Platinum and COUNTLESS hours of learning, the gorgeousness of simple GOOD compressors and EQs finally hit me. i have been starting each session with a clean slate. no templates, no plugins. i've been pretty ham-handed with VSTs simply to get an exaggerated feel for their effects. taking the plunge with multi-track drum loops was a HUGE eye-opener. i've struggled with stereo loops for years. i was using the Klanghelm free comp VST MJUC Jr. http://klanghelm.com/contents/products/MJUCjr/MJUCjr.php pretty nice. game changer for me. which leads me to contemplating biting the bullet with high quality comps. the Nomad BT plugins look pretty nice, BUT... i have my eye on 3 possibilities: 1. stick with the Sonar Nomad series. 2. buy the Softube Mix Bundle for $329 3. buy the currently heavily discounted Waves CLA bundle. what's the scoop on WUP? searches reveal VARIED opinions. something to be concerned with regarding 3 simple compressor VSTs? this is just for personal project stuff.
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hodshonf
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 07:59:19
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holy moly!
i was just digging through all the Nomad Blue Tube stuff.
VERY impressive array of tools.
functionally, the Nomad BT set is perfect.
my question is then more pointed, and subjective:
is it worth buying the Softube or Waves CLA from a quality angle?
i don't mean to start an age old "Them or Us" thread (thanks Frank) - just some calm reflection on where things are in 2016 with VST technology.
thanks in advance!
fred
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 08:37:53
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☄ Helpfulby hodshonf 2016/05/25 08:56:08
You'll be fine with the tools in Sonar for now, including the Sonitus compressor. When you want to add specific coloration, like emulations of classic hardware, then you'll want to evaluate who makes the emulation you like the best.
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 08:41:44
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dcumpian
You'll be fine with the tools in Sonar for now, including the Sonitus compressor. When you want to add specific coloration, like emulations of classic hardware, then you'll want to evaluate who makes the emulation you like the best.
Regards,
Dan
i like that. a lot. more $$$ for multi track drum loops. i am slowly finding all the great tools in Platinum. most notably LP EQ. goodness gracious. thanks!
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 08:45:27
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Sure this is in the first place a question of personal taste, which software compressor is "better." The Splat onboard fx are really good. The compressors you are pointing to like the softube, Waves ClA aso are imo not so much better sounding. if the cakewalk tools are edited right. The best quality compressors are imo, Cakewalk La2a ,Slate all I know of, Waves SSl 4000( also the channel strip) and others. Have to mention the UAD stuff, which needs a big and expensive "dongle."
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 08:53:02
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I have a real liking for the Softube stuff myself.
but for a long time I used sonar plug ins exclusively and had pretty good results.
when I bought my first plug in bundle I was amazed at what they could do, but as time goes on I realize there are some real Gems that ship with sonar.
Channel tools
Sonitus bundle
the Quad curve EQ
vocal strip
percussion strip
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 08:58:05
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Hi Chuck,
is your audio interface a saffire or a scarlett interface ?
I´m just curious .
regards and have a nice day
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hodshonf
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 09:23:47
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i have the Scarlett 18i8 as well.
great interface.
eeegad, i JUST found the Percussion Strip.
AND i just loaded the Showcase Drumloop FX template.
man, lots of hidden sweetness.
thanks!
fred
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hodshonf
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 09:47:47
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just checking out some shootouts.
noticeable difference (to me) with the Softube FET.
i know, i know... VST frenzy.
but good price for it at the moment.
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 09:54:41
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Hey Chuck, have you discovered the secret to learning more about using the MCU with Sonar yet? While in Sonar, go to the control bar and look for the Control Surface area. Click the white square box which shows the properties of your MCU. While there, press the F1 key on your keyboard and it will bring up the HELP windows just for the MCU and Sonar. This will guide you though every button and Pan Pot control used on the MCU for controlling Sonar. Finding this years ago was a God sent as it told me everything I needed to know about using the MCU with Sonar. Also since the Behringer BFC2000 was designed to work as a MCU, the same help file works for that as well. Happy reading and I'm glad your became a MCU user. Peace 
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 09:56:07
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☄ Helpfulby hodshonf 2016/05/25 10:15:54
I wouldn't buy the Softube Mix Bundle unless it goes on sale. I bought it years ago for $179, and I like it mostly, but I wouldn't spend $329 on it after using it for as long as I have. I pretty much only use the reverb, and sometimes the fet comp. If you really want it, I would wait for a sale.
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 10:01:54
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I wouldn't buy the Softube Mix Bundle unless it goes on sale. I bought it years ago for $179, and I like it mostly, but I wouldn't spend $329 on it after using it for as long as I have. I pretty much only use the reverb, and sometimes the fet comp. If you really want it, I would wait for a sale.
i agree. the bundle isn't so much the appeal. i really like the FET comp, though. best price i can see at the moment is $169.00. with the Waves CLA bundle at $146.00 what's with the licensing of Waves stuff?
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 10:03:53
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revisiting the Variety of Sound line. i've been using their stuff mostly for Mid-Side processing. but their saturation and compression tools are extraordinarily nice. https://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/downloads/ and great price! continuing my free education before climbing up to the cork-sniffing level. don't get me wrong, i love me some cork sniffin'.
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 11:58:04
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☄ Helpfulby hodshonf 2016/05/25 12:14:55
Go with the Waves CLA Bundle, especially at the current sale price. Just the ClA-2A is worth the price of the bundle alone. You wont have any regrets or plugins buyer remorse. And trust that if you pass that waves deal up (been there/done that), you will be kicking yourself later IMHO.
Download the demos and let it sell itself.
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 12:07:54
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Go with the Waves CLA Bundle, especially at the current sale price. Just the ClA-2A is worth the price of the bundle alone. You wont have any regrets or plugins buyer remorse. And trust that if you pass that waves deal up (been there/done that), you will be kicking yourself later IMHO.
Download the demos and let it sell itself.
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 12:08:41
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KingsMix
Go with the Waves CLA Bundle, especially at the current sale price. Just the ClA-2A is worth the price of the bundle alone. You wont have any regrets or plugins buyer remorse. And trust that if you pass that waves deal up (been there/done that), you will be kicking yourself later IMHO.
Download the demos and let it sell itself.
The thing I hate about Waves is that I work from two computers - desktop and laptop back and forth. It seems to be a pain to use their plugins on two separate machines. Maybe there's something I'm missing though.
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 12:09:06
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HEADS-UP re Softube
They STILL can't get their Win10 x64 bit plugins to work. I bought the Drawmer S73 when it came out, but have never been able to use it.
I found a recent post somewhere where the OP had just heard back from Softube that they were still working on the problem, and that it was the worst one the guy had seen since working at Softube.
Caveat emptor.
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
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☄ Helpfulby hodshonf 2016/05/25 12:14:18
FWIW, I'd also take a look at the +10dB ProChannel bundle in the Cakewalk store. Sure wish I'd taken advantage of the offer that bundled the Hoser XT in with it. Nowhere to be found now. 
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 12:29:20
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i was concerned about the Waves licensing.
but i can deal with the license cloud approach.
for a bill and a half... done.
the +10db ProChannel bundle looks pretty amazing too.
thanks!!!
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 12:54:18
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☄ Helpfulby hodshonf 2016/05/25 13:13:37
I bought the CLA bundle a couple years ago and really enjoy it. The Cakewalk LA2A is every bit as good as the Waves and I have both. The biggest mistake I've made is getting too many comp plugins. I keep switching around instead of really learning just 1 or 2. I'm not a pro, so it's my time to waste. If you are working for customers it would be better to focus on a few real good plugs and have an emulation of an LA2A or 1176 around because a lot of people know the legends and want to see them on your system.
Down the rabbit hole you go my friend.
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 12:58:32
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☄ Helpfulby hodshonf 2016/05/25 13:18:06
I was a huge fan of the Softube bundle, and used it all the time. Not just the FET and the reverb, as have been mentioned, but also the EQs.
Strange thing, though.. Over the last year or so I have found myself sticking almost entirely with the Cakewalk stuff. The Channel and Bus comp, the FET comp, the fantastic Ca2a, Quad Curve and Sonitus EQ, etc etc.
Same with the +10 bundle. I can't remember the last time I used it.
It's nice to have these things for a few situations when nothing else seems to work.
I guess what I am saying is I would get the extra Cake compressors - PC4K Channel and Ca2a, and possibly the Concrete Limier and PC4K Expander/Gate.
Just my penny's worth.
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 12:58:49
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ampfixer
Down the rabbit hole you go my friend.
then you can imagine the rabbit hole of guitar cabinet Impulse Responses i recently finished mining. not too dissimilar to the 3D Studio MAX plugin frenzy i used to get sucked into. fun.
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 13:20:14
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the ThrillSeekerLA Leveling Amplifier is pretty sweet from Variety of Sound. 
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 14:15:54
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2016/05/25 15:08:22
The FET is different, but not necessarily better (or worse). There may be an EQ curve that's applied, as well as the behavior of the compressor itself. Likely, even some tube-like saturation. My point is, you can get there only using the tools provided. Once you get your ear trained enough to know how to get that sound with just the basic tools, then you're ready to venture into plugin land. Too soon, and down the rabbit hole you will go.
Regards,
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 14:49:30
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what makes this day and age so great is it's all zeros and ones. gone are my 19" racks of decades ago. 
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 14:50:43
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☄ Helpfulby hodshonf 2016/05/25 15:19:37
hodshonf
dcumpian
You'll be fine with the tools in Sonar for now, including the Sonitus compressor. When you want to add specific coloration, like emulations of classic hardware, then you'll want to evaluate who makes the emulation you like the best.
Regards,
Dan
i like that.
a lot.
more $$$ for multi track drum loops.
i am slowly finding all the great tools in Platinum.
most notably LP EQ.
goodness gracious.
thanks!
I think by habit so many users ignore the included effects in their DAW. At one time you couldn't do that in Reason and now they have Rack Extensions. Users have spent so much on them and they could have used it for some nice hardware.
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 15:06:29
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KingsMix
Go with the Waves CLA Bundle, especially at the current sale price. Just the ClA-2A is worth the price of the bundle alone. You wont have any regrets or plugins buyer remorse. And trust that if you pass that waves deal up (been there/done that), you will be kicking yourself later IMHO.
Download the demos and let it sell itself.
The thing I hate about Waves is that I work from two computers - desktop and laptop back and forth. It seems to be a pain to use their plugins on two separate machines. Maybe there's something I'm missing though.
you can put your license on usb memory stick and use the plugins on any computer that has Waves plugins installed on the machine that are licensed.
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 15:22:37
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PilotGav
KingsMix
Go with the Waves CLA Bundle, especially at the current sale price. Just the ClA-2A is worth the price of the bundle alone. You wont have any regrets or plugins buyer remorse. And trust that if you pass that waves deal up (been there/done that), you will be kicking yourself later IMHO.
Download the demos and let it sell itself.
The thing I hate about Waves is that I work from two computers - desktop and laptop back and forth. It seems to be a pain to use their plugins on two separate machines. Maybe there's something I'm missing though.
you can put your license on usb memory stick and use the plugins on any computer that has Waves plugins installed on the machine that are licensed.
Since Waves is on sale a lot just buy a second license. Life would be simple if they had a two machine limit. Most of my purchases are based on flexible licensing. The exceptions are EW and VSL.
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Re: The Joys of Compression - Sonar Nomad BT vs Softube Mix Bundle vs Waves CLA Bundle
2016/05/25 18:42:28
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ok.
just got them up and running.
glad i waited to develop a bit of an ear for this stuff.
definitely a step up.
i like the CLs. very much. good price too.
thanks for all the input!
fred
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2016/05/25 21:55:17
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yow.
these are really great on bass guitar.
i have a 4 string with dual coil pups and an Aguilar OBP2 onboard preamp.
i've been using a bass preamp VST and a couple of cab sim IRs.
but now, i really like the CLA 76 with heavy GR followed by the CL 2A with a little lighter touch.
not sure if it's common practice to stack 'em.
i don't need the bass preamp VST - gorgeous with just the comps.
by the way, it's a great pre VST - cerberus by kuassa.
but it gets in the way with these wave comps.
add a good cab sim, done!
$146 well spent!
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