The Monday Report...yea, that's right...up jumped the devil

Only ol X1 would then transpose either the next unintended note too or, worse, an entire next unintended (and unselected) measure as well.  But then MAYBE, after three or four trys it just might do it.  Fairly maddening.  Anybody else having any trouble transposing not measured boundaries???

I don't use transpose that often, but I can't replicate a problem now. And when selecting measures in the track view, only notes that are completely encompassed by the selection are affected so, if anything, I'd expect you might get some notes not being transposed when they end in the next measure, or start a few ticks before a bar line. The solution to that would be to do your selection in the PRV or PRV Mode of the Track View.


That might help in this case as well., but I'm not sure what could cause this issue, other than obvious things like linked clips.

CarvinAbuser


When I do a transpose, it adds non-zero crossing noise.

I'm pretty sure yorolpal is talking about transposing MIDI, and you should probably start another thread if you want to pursue this, but suffice it to say that making an audio edit at a zero-crossing is no guarantee you won't get a discontinuity in the signal that causes a click/pop. If the surrounding level is high, you can still hear a sudden deviation in the waveform as a click, even if the change starts at a zero-crossing.

BTW, what exact method are you using to select and then transpose notes? I've tried selecting in the PRV (docked in the MD), selecting the entire clip, and selecting a range of a clip, and transposing that way worked for me all the time. 

Being as exact with every step you've taken is important when getting to the bottom of an issue.

No, I'm selecting portions of clips in the Track View by dragging the desired area in the timeline.  These are all sections of one contiguous clip/track so no "linked clips".  On the project I was working on this morning I was working on both my bass track and my piano track...both midi driving VSTs.  As the first beat of every chord change was "pushed" a 16th I set my snap to 16th and then selected from one sixteenth before the bar to one sixteenth before the next chord change bar.  All good.  All marked and selected visually just fine.  Then I would, using the pull down menu, select transpose (say up 5) and click.  At that point the selected area would jump by a note or sometimes a whole measure and all of the "new" selected area would get transposed.  Note that this did not happen every time and also that when it did happen if I "undid" it and tried again it might or might not happen again.  Sometimes when I kept undoing and then trying again it might take 3 or 4 trys before it would do it right.  And sometimes it would do it right on the 2nd try.  I finally just ended up letting it transpose the extra notes and then went into the piano roll view and fixed them one at time.  Or just re-recorded the part...which was what I should've done in the first place as I was using the transpose method to "save time".  Ha Ha!  As a side note...several tmes when a whole extra measure would get selected when clicking transpose the snap would change from 16th to measure as well. 

Seth my specs are:

Sonar X1 PE build 246 64bit on a 64 bit 2.8 ghz core i7 with 12 gigs ram (purpose built by our ol pal, Jim Roseberry).   My audio interface is a Focusrite Pro 24 DSP.

My ol pal
What kind of convertors are you  using?  You and I have problems that others do not.  I have heard your stuff and think you must be using something good.

I am RME. FF800s  - 2 of them.  

With regard to the clip appearing to move can you check under Preferences - Customization - Editing about half way down the page just above clips is a box that says "Ask every time".  If you had unchecked that at some point you can get into the problem of moving a clip without getting the warning .  (it is the same as the box in the drag and drop options box but if it isn't coming up this is how you can reactivate it)

I'm not the OP, but thanks for that tip!  Pretty sure I never disabled that tick box, but I just found it disabled (build 255x64).  Maybe X1 copied a setting from 8.5.3, or maybe disabled is the installation default.  It ought not be the latter, IMHO, when an unintuitive time shift could result.

-Ron

This kind of selection needs to be done with the snap-to-grid off.  Best yet, so you can clearly see what notes you've grabbed, is to do it in the PRV.  You can get precisely the selection you intend with no orphaned notes.

Helpful Randy

rbowser

This kind of selection needs to be done with the snap-to-grid off.

yorolpal

Thanks Randy, I'll try it in the PRV but I do have my magnetic strength turned off.

Hi yorolpal,


If I remember right, turning magnetic strength off actually sets it to the maximum strength.


Bub

Well there ya go thinking logically again. :)

I found a thread that explains magnetic strength and yeah, setting it to off is full strength.

Here's the post.

Bub

rbowser

This kind of selection needs to be done with the snap-to-grid off.

yorolpal

Thanks Randy, I'll try it in the PRV but I do have my magnetic strength turned off.

Hi yorolpal,


If I remember right, turning magnetic strength off actually sets it to the maximum strength.


Bub

Yes, yes, that's right - turning magnetic strength off sets it to the maximum.  But that's not what I'm talking about  I'm saying to turn the Grid OFF - no magnetic anything involved anywhere.  No Grid.  Nada.  No degrees of magnetism in sight.

That way you can choose whatever you want - You have a groovy passage which rushes the beat and sounds good that way, great - Leave it for sure - But if you have a Grid on during selection, it's going to leave the first note off.  Just turn the danged thing off for in-depth editing.  In PRV, lasso all the notes you want.  You can exclude notes if you want by pushing Ctrl while selecting - Once you have what you need, then transpose.

Randy B.

'ol pal, a real man would just get out his MIDI keyboard and play the part again in the proper key.

yorolpal


Yup.  If you will just back up several posts, you'll see that's what I said myownself.  And did.  But why I had to I still cannot say.  It did teach me a lesson tho...never rely on damned technology for what you can already do yourself...and better. 

Sometimes, tho, I can't believe just how lazy I have become... my chops, while once frightening...able to cause mere weekend warriors jaws to drop...are now like a pitiful child trying to master chopsticks.  It seems I now play "the studio". 

Does Fender or Gibson make vintage "mice"?????

Yorolpal, playing the part again in the proper key was of course a good solution.  I'm sure you had a good time exercising your playing chops doing that - But - I wish you could see that I've given you the answer several times on this thread.  The transposition  you needed could have been done in 2 seconds, as compared to whatever time it took you to play the whole thing again.

1--In PRV - Turn the grid OFF.  I mean off.  Not magnetism off - turn the Grid Off.
2--Lasso the notes you want transposed.
3--Invoke Transpose, ask for the value you need, do it.  Done.

You're talking about music which doesn't snap to the corners of any Grid setting.  So it's no mystery that trying to do a selection with the Grid on left off notes.  Just turn the thing off, go to PRV where you can really plainly see all your notes, and round 'em up.  Really - that's all you need to do.  Next time, if there is one, try that.  No technological foul ups in X1's programming are involved - You just didn't use the right tools.

Randy B.