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RE: The Official Staff View enhacnement thread!
2009/06/13 00:26:48
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OK, this is either karma, witchcraft or coincidence, but suddenly, after working in Sonar 7 for a year, hours every day, the staff view seems to be causing a crash when I make some edits. Or move the slider to view another measure. Or not. It is random, but frequent. I've tried: running WinXP checkdisk and fixing errors reinstalling Sonar, Rapture and Tera (softsynth) speeding up the CPU fan lowering latency and increasing buffers using system restore but since applications had been reinstalled, had to reverse that I just finished a 300 measure piece with about 25 MIDI tracks and 6 instances of softsynths and not a single problem with sequencing, recording audio or editing audio. None whatsoever. All of a sudden Sonar is crashing every few minutes. No changes to hardware, no new updates or new drivers. I am sure some joker will tell me to not use the staff view. Don't bother telling me such things. This is weird. Jerry Gerber www.jerrygerber.com
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/13 00:32:02
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There is no connection between the notated music in Sibelius and SONAR's MIDI data. I could be wrong -- anybody have Sibelius 6 yet? This guy does http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1746670 - though he's having trouble setting up Rewire. I know nothing about rewire. +1 here on the SV improvements in the summary above (the more the merrier) - since CW is apparently keen to "measure" interest.
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/13 01:14:17
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ORIGINAL: CallMeZoot
As far as I'm aware, the Sibelius/Sonar Rewire essentially just hosts Sibelius like a VST within SONAR, or perhaps vice versa--it's purely an audio connection. There is no connection between the notated music in Sibelius and SONAR's MIDI data. I could be wrong -- anybody have Sibelius 6 yet?
With rewire MIDI and audio data is sent and both apps are synced as well. You can start either app and both will play in sync. I used to rewire Gigastudio and Sonar. After reading the Sibelius info it appears that it will not send MIDI to Sonar. It's implementation lets you send it's own audio data to mix in Sonar and you can record audio in Sonar and have it sync with Sibelius. If I'm reading this right it's a drag because they should also let Sibelius sent MIDI to Sonar.
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/13 18:09:48
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If it hasn't been mentioned:
Hide muted clips in SV (same as the option in PRV).
If it has:
+1!
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/13 18:17:43
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Good idea Susan. I will add this to the summery.
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/13 18:55:09
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ORIGINAL: Susan G
If it hasn't been mentioned:
Hide muted clips in SV (same as the option in PRV).
If it has:
+1!
-Susan
Oh god yes! That's got to be up there on the priority list. It's so easy to imagine that not being implemented, if only by oversight, and then remaining that way. (I know it's hard to see how something like that could be overlooked, but stranger things have happened, like say, bindable clip envelopes! heehee!)
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RE: The Official Staff View enhacnement thread!
2009/06/13 18:57:51
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ORIGINAL: jsg
I am sure some joker will tell me to not use the staff view.
But not before another joker tells you it's running perfectly fine on thier end. 
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/13 19:06:29
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Hi Marah- (I know it's hard to see how something like that could be overlooked, but stranger things have happened, like say, bindable clip envelopes! heehee!) You do realize that at some point we'll have to strangle you, right?  -Susan
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/13 19:09:20
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ORIGINAL: Susan G
Hi Marah-
(I know it's hard to see how something like that could be overlooked, but stranger things have happened, like say, bindable clip envelopes! heehee!)
You do realize that at some point we'll have to strangle you, right?
-Susan
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/13 19:24:56
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I am going to send the summery off to CW via email. I will send it to more then one person. I am thinking I will do this on Monday. If you all agree with that it will be done. Any comments you would like included please let me know here. Thank you all for your participation.
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/13 19:31:52
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Just make sure they understand that at some point, you'll have to start taking hostages. Oh! I can see it now, next summer's blockbuster hit: The Taking of Cakewalk S 9 P
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/13 19:39:09
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/13 20:13:17
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Maybe you are all asking too much of Sonar to produce score writing abilities in the class of a program like Sibelius. How big is Sibelius? It is huge and they have been developing that for years and maybe you are just never going to get that amount of control inside Sonar. There is a reason why programs like Sonar and Logic and everything else have some score writing abilities but stop short for some reason.
If you want to get really serious about scores you need to switch apps and run Sibelius instead. Sonar will probably never get that good at doing it. I dont need the score capabilities of a program but I certainly respect those of you that do need it.
I would hate to think that other aspects of Sonar suffer (ie crashing etc) due to demands being made by the score writing needs of probably a very small percenatge of people who are using Sonar for score writing. Cakewalk might tell you the same thing John. (Use Sibelius instead!) I would prefer Sonar put their efforts into other areas.
Sonar is about making sound and producing music, not writing scores.
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/13 20:21:38
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There is a reason why programs like Sonar and Logic and everything else have some score writing abilities but stop short for some reason. You are missing the point. Logic is worlds ahead of Sonar in its scoring ability. All we want is for Sonar to match it and Cubase not the dedicated scoring apps. BTW I don't know that what Logic and Cubase offer is that much less then those apps anyway. I do know that my last version of Logic being 5.5.1 had superb scoring as did Cubase SX 3. In this case we are or at least I am comparing oranges to oranges. Take this for what it is worth. Your comment shows that you know nothing about what you are talking about. Sorry I don't want to be that blunt but what you say is so wrong it can only be because you have never used any of the apps you speak of for MIDI scoring.
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/13 20:26:47
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I fully agree with you, Jeff. The response to what you've said will be, "But we're not asking for a full- fledged program in the class of Sibelius, only enough to be useful, and to compete with Cubase and Logic or whatever." The problem though, is that CW has made it pretty clear that improvements to SV, no matter how big or small, are not on the agenda -- they've all but said it won't happen, period (and it doesn't take a whole lotta extrapolation to come to that conclusion.) I think this memo that's been put together is (or can't be much more than) a way to let CW know how important it is to those users to whom it IS important, and to let them know what features are desired. But I have zero doubt CW already knows both of those things. They're not that clueless.
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/14 00:54:15
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Take this for what it is worth. Your comment shows that you know nothing about what you are talking about. Sorry I don't want to be that blunt but what you say is so wrong it can only be because you have never used any of the apps you speak of for MIDI scoring. I do know a lot about what I am talking about. Much more than you realise, that is obvious. How much original music have you composed and produced John? (in hours) Are you a professional composer? I am someone that does it for a living and there are very very few people like this on the forums that is quite obvious. I have had the luxary of doing it for a living and since 1980 as well. You should welcome opinions from people like me because I am often pushing the boundaries in the software and getting things done in a time frame most of you would not even conceive and under pressure most of you would not handle for more than five minutes! I do teach but I do that because I really like being around young enthusiastic people. They are so cool to be around! Like you I have used Logic on the PC right up to 5.5 and yes I agree it does have very good scoring capabilities. Many of the soundtracks I have composed required live players so I was quite regularly doing midi tracks, making them look good in the score editor and printing them out for people to play. But the good thing here is that the score only needs to be basic in a way because the musicians often did great interpretations of the score anyway and I was there to guide them as well. (nothing compares to being there and saying you want them to pull back here and push harder there, no scoring software in the world can convey that sort of information) No I have not seen Cubase SX 3 scoring features so you are right on that account. I still stand by the idea that any DAW is only going to so far scoring wise and sure Logic and maybe Cubase go a little further for sure but neither of them are in the class of Sibelius. I also know a person here who does a lot of work taking composers midi tracks and even basic scores from programs like Logic and re works them ready for the final actual recording session. (Logic scores are not useable for professional musicians to read in a real scoring session) He uses Sibelius and why, because Logic and Cubase are not even in the same league. Sonar's strengths are not in scoring so dont get carried away with it, as Marah said above they are not going to go down that path anyway. Cakewalk needs to build on its strengths and make the program better in the areas it performs best. Areas where real professionals need the most. These are the areas where we depend on the software to make the music. Composers who write totally for live performers and there are some dont use Sonar.
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/14 01:29:49
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ORIGINAL: Jeff Evans
Take this for what it is worth. Your comment shows that you know nothing about what you are talking about. Sorry I don't want to be that blunt but what you say is so wrong it can only be because you have never used any of the apps you speak of for MIDI scoring.
I do know a lot about what I am talking about. Much more than you realise, that is obvious. How much original music have you composed and produced John? (in hours) Are you a professional composer? I am someone that does it for a living and there are very very few people like this on the forums that is quite obvious. I have had the luxary of doing it for a living and since 1980 as well. You should welcome opinions from people like me because I am often pushing the boundaries in the software and getting things done in a time frame most of you would not even conceive and under pressure most of you would not handle for more than five minutes! I do teach but I do that because I really like being around young enthusiastic people. They are so cool to be around!
Like you I have used Logic on the PC right up to 5.5 and yes I agree it does have very good scoring capabilities. Many of the soundtracks I have composed required live players so I was quite regularly doing midi tracks, making them look good in the score editor and printing them out for people to play. But the good thing here is that the score only needs to be basic in a way because the musicians often did great interpretations of the score anyway and I was there to guide them as well. (nothing compares to being there and saying you want them to pull back here and push harder there, no scoring software in the world can convey that sort of information) No I have not seen Cubase SX 3 scoring features so you are right on that account.
I still stand by the idea that any DAW is only going to so far scoring wise and sure Logic and maybe Cubase go a little further for sure but neither of them are in the class of Sibelius. I also know a person here who does a lot of work taking composers midi tracks and even basic scores from programs like Logic and re works them ready for the final actual recording session. (Logic scores are not useable for professional musicians to read in a real scoring session) He uses Sibelius and why, because Logic and Cubase are not even in the same league.
Sonar's strengths are not in scoring so dont get carried away with it, as Marah said above they are not going to go down that path anyway. Cakewalk needs to build on its strengths and make the program better in the areas it performs best. Areas where real professionals need the most. These are the areas where we depend on the software to make the music. Composers who write totally for live performers and there are some dont use Sonar.
You still miss the point. The reason this is here is to bring Sonar up to its rivals. At least that would be livable for those that are asking for this improvement. If you do score then what you say makes no sense. Its not so much that I don't believe you about your background its just that if it is your background then it is completely inconsistent with your attitude. Logic and Cubase are not a little better then Sonar in their scoring they are in a whole different league then Sonar. Again you should know this if what you say is true about your background. The notion that Sonar is not a scoring program is fine as far as it goes and that is what this thread and others are all about. There is no reasonable argument that would be acceptable for Sonar to continue on without great scoring. I see it as the last brick in the wall to have Sonar meet its promise. Also why are you even here? If as Marah thinks this is going nowhere then why show your dissent to those that want it? Are you really opposed to better scoring in Sonar? If so that is incredible to me. You needn't answer that or this post. I don't believe anything you have to say.
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/14 02:28:07
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ORIGINAL: John
Logic and Cubase are not a little better then Sonar in their scoring they are in a whole different league then Sonar.
Since this threads has started i have been interested in know how the scoring is in other daw programs. I must say that Samplitude, even the more cheap version of it, has a very nice scoring view/edit. And -i never saw it in action- ProTools in their home page put the score editing as a selling point, even mentioning Sibelius as supporting their in that. So, as this other big daws has noted, scoring is a necessary tool.
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/14 02:28:53
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There are also those who are not writing for live players, but prefer to use notation.
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/14 02:41:41
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OT....... “We use Finale because it’s the best. Enough said.†–Wynton Marsalis, musician, composer, band leader, Pulitzer Prize and Grammy Award winner ...So I assume Wynton is not a PT user since its tied up with Sibelius? 
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/14 03:00:38
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I still stand by the idea that any DAW is only going to so far scoring wise and sure Logic and maybe Cubase go a little further for sure but neither of them are in the class of Sibelius. I also know a person here who does a lot of work taking composers midi tracks and even basic scores from programs like Logic and re works them ready for the final actual recording session. (Logic scores are not useable for professional musicians to read in a real scoring session) He uses Sibelius and why, because Logic and Cubase are not even in the same league.
in the class of Sibelius. You are clueless as to what this thread is about. If you think anyone has suggested that Sonar or any DAW needs to rival Sibelius then I suggest you take a moment to read this thread. No one needs Sonar to be "usable for professional musicians to read in a real scoring session". I use Sibelius but I still need usable notation for composing and editing in Sonar. Sonar is less professional without it. If you don't need it fine but I'm not here lobbying for Sonar to neglect the features that you use.
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/14 04:59:01
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I wish to apologize for taking this thread off course. (to Vintagevibe, I have read all of it and I do know where it is going) I get annoyed when others do it and I have done it myself so I am sorry for that. And yes I would love to see Sonar's score features match those of other DAW's. It is only going to make the program better. And to John who is devoting lots of time to this and collecting information I say good luck and I hope Cakewalk listens to you and takes it on board. And I commend you for spending time (unpaid) doing this. It will only benefit many of us later.
It is great the Cakewalk actually listens to what people say and make these things happen. We are all on the same page really, we just want a fantastic program to get better.
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/14 05:05:46
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Jeff, have you ever considered going into the diplomatic corps? 
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/14 05:19:27
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I wish to apologize for taking this thread off course. (to Vintagevibe, I have read all of it and I do know where it is going) I get annoyed when others do it and I have done it myself so I am sorry for that. And yes I would love to see Sonar's score features match those of other DAW's. It is only going to make the program better. And to John who is devoting lots of time to this and collecting information I say good luck and I hope Cakewalk listens to you and takes it on board. And I commend you for spending time (unpaid) doing this. It will only benefit many of us later.
It is great the Cakewalk actually listens to what people say and make these things happen. We are all on the same page really, we just want a fantastic program to get better. You have grown greatly in my eyes with this. It takes a good man to say such nice things under the circumstances.
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/14 05:44:09
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If as Marah thinks this is going nowhere..... Please don't misrepresent me. I don't think this is going nowhere. I consider myself to have been told it's going nowhere, as have you, as have all of us. You chose to "not buy" Alex's exceptionally candid and sensible acknowledgement of that, and chose instead to interpret Willy's polite brush-off as an invitation to submit a Staff View spec sheet post haste. I'm curious, where do you think it's going? Do you have ETA for its arrival? I'd also be interested in hearing where you rank notation in a list of functions for a modern DAW, with the understanding that these shouldn't be merely present enough to be checked off on a feature list, but well-implemented and integrated into a flexibly efficient production environment. You know, soome users will feel a need to augment Sonar with a third party notation program, and wish such functionality could be more tightly integrated in their DAW, me included. But believe me when I say that notation was not remotely the reason I felt the need to look for a Sonar alternative, or why I haven't seriously considered upgrading from 7 to 8, despite my interest of some of its improvements. Nor was it a desire to learn another piece of software with all the lobotomy that requires.... I'm not that big a geek. If only automation, and plugin management, and comping and take management, and customization, and project and asset management got half as much concentrated attention. (And please, don't feed this back to me as my not wanting or my lobbying against notation improvements.)
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/14 06:10:50
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Please don't misrepresent me.
I don't think this is going nowhere. I consider myself to have been told it's going nowhere, as have you, as have all of us. You chose to "not buy" Alex's exceptionally candid and sensible acknowledgement of that, and chose instead to interpret Willy's polite brush-off as an invitation to submit a Staff View spec sheet post haste.
I'm curious, where do you think it's going? Do you have ETA for its arrival?
I'd also be interested in hearing where you rank notation in a list of functions for a modern DAW, with the understanding that these shouldn't be merely present enough to be checked off on a feature list, but well-implemented and integrated into a flexibly efficient production environment.
You know, soome users will feel a need to augment Sonar with a third party notation program, and wish such functionality could be more tightly integrated in their DAW, me included. But believe me when I say that notation was not remotely the reason I felt the need to look for a Sonar alternative, or why I haven't seriously considered upgrading from 7 to 8, despite my interest of some of its improvements. Nor was it a desire to learn another piece of software with all the lobotomy that requires.... I'm not that big a geek.
If only automation, and plugin management, and comping and take management, and customization, and project and asset management got half as much concentrated attention. (And please, don't feed this back to me as my not wanting or my lobbying against notation improvements.)
I am not misrepresenting you in any way. You are even saying much the same thing as always here by this "I consider myself to have been told it's going nowhere". If you are saying that you are only repeating what you were told is disingenuous in that what you have been told is open to interpretation. I am no fool yet you wish to take me for one. I do know a few things about the interaction of this forum and CW. I have witnessed how effective this forum can be in setting CW's agenda. Yet you keep on interjecting your view into this over and over again. I know well how you view this thread. You don't need to repeat yourself at every opportunity or point out your view once again. I don't think anyone on this forum is unaware where you stand on this. I will be careful in stating that I do believe you would like to see better scoring in Sonar you just don't think it will be done anytime soon. I believe that is your position. I can except that it will not be soon. However I do believe it will be sooner now then it would have been without this and other threads bringing attention to it. That is my position. Also I do believe that we were asked to do this thread or something of the sort in order to condense this and bring some order to it. I started this thread because I saw in a post by CW that they would want this sort of thing done. That is what I read. It may be different to what you read. If I am wrong in this thinking so be it. It will harm no one. It could be the spark that moves CW to prioritize this idea up a notch or two. Therefore I do not apologized for it or have remorse in starting it. I don't know how to state this any more plainly then that.
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/14 08:14:45
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I don't know ... I didn't read Willy's statement a just a polite brush off, nor do I think that Alex' statement says that staff view improvements are never going to happen. What I infer from all the current discussions and the survey from a while back is: 1. Cakewalk are aware of the deficiencies in staff view (which is the essential first step for considering changes) 2. They currently don't have a convincing business case for spending resources on staff view, which I guess means that
- They don't think an enhanced staff view will cause enough new users to choose or switch to Sonar to warrant the changes
- They don't think the deficiencies of staff view will cause enough existing users to stop upgrading or to switch to a new DAW to warrant the changes
Other companies might view this differently. I believe Samplitude did not a have a staff view for long time and they added one not that long ago (was it in version 8? I might be totally wrong about this). In the end, a thread like this might not have the tiniest bit of influence on the decision where Cakewalk will go with the staff view; on the other hand I think, threads like these are at least one of the more constructive user attempts to influence the debate, so I'm glad it's happening. Even if it is the 159th thread about the same topic. I don't know about anyone else, but if people want to get me to do things that I wasn't planning on doing, sometimes bugging me relentlessly does help :-) And as for the importance of staff view for me personally: It is one of the last remaining insufficiently implemented features that keeps me looking at other DAWs. Again, not because I want to use Sonar as a fully featured scoring program (although it would be nice to at least be able to print one-stave leadsheets with a melody line containing all the triplets, rests, ties etc where I want them), but as an editing and composing tool for playing around with different variations and concepts. In the end, for things like exact note durations, and controller parameters, I might still end up using the piano roll. But for me (and that might be different for everyone else) staff notation is a very good way of representing the concepts and structures behind a piece of music and a concrete arrangement. Kind regards Chris
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/14 14:11:37
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ORIGINAL: Marah
If as Marah thinks this is going nowhere.....
I'd also be interested in hearing where you rank notation in a list of functions for a modern DAW, with the understanding that these shouldn't be merely present enough to be checked off on a feature list, but well-implemented and integrated into a flexibly efficient production environment.
Well, im not sure if notation is ranked very well, for developers. But it is ranked very well for marketing people, and contrary as someones have pointed, it`s marketed to the low-end users. See this screenshots of the box of Cakewalk Music Creator 5. The front cover has a few highlights (the more important features?) and they include Notation:  Now, backfront of the box, comparing and highlighting NOTATION as a plus that competition dont offer:  And now again in the inside: Three important things - NOTATION THE FIRST. 
Im not saying that is not important to the low-end user the Notation. It is. But, if you look at the Sonar producer features, it is even not mentioned... In the other side, go to the Cubase and Protools pages... they have it highlited as a selling point! with screenshots and videos... Hope Sonar soon can pick the challenge on this, too Look this, in the front page of Protools:  And this, Cubase highlited feature in their page:  Hope to see soon something similar in the Cake page... ;) .
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/14 17:06:35
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I am also a full time pro composer and have scored for many projects, some famous, some not so famous. I think you're missing the point about the staff view. I use Sibelius for scoring as well. Sonar is not a notation program. It is not meant to create published-quality scores. That being said, staff view should display notes correctly, it should also not crash (just found a new bug this week--if you use a meter of 8/4, display an instrument with 2 staves, such as piano, that has triplets, Sonar will crash consistently, on two separate machines). What many users are asking for is for a program that is marketed as a professional sequencer to have the basic capabilities that professional musicians (literate professional musicians) require. A well-functioning, stable staff view is certainly one of them. Just like Sibelius is not a sequencer, it has some sequencing capability. In the same way Sonar should contain a staff view that displays triplets and tied triplets correctly and does not crash when using not-so-common meters. Jerry Gerber www.jerrygerber.com ORIGINAL: Jeff Evans
Take this for what it is worth. Your comment shows that you know nothing about what you are talking about. Sorry I don't want to be that blunt but what you say is so wrong it can only be because you have never used any of the apps you speak of for MIDI scoring.
I do know a lot about what I am talking about. Much more than you realise, that is obvious. How much original music have you composed and produced John? (in hours) Are you a professional composer? I am someone that does it for a living and there are very very few people like this on the forums that is quite obvious. I have had the luxary of doing it for a living and since 1980 as well. You should welcome opinions from people like me because I am often pushing the boundaries in the software and getting things done in a time frame most of you would not even conceive and under pressure most of you would not handle for more than five minutes! I do teach but I do that because I really like being around young enthusiastic people. They are so cool to be around!
Like you I have used Logic on the PC right up to 5.5 and yes I agree it does have very good scoring capabilities. Many of the soundtracks I have composed required live players so I was quite regularly doing midi tracks, making them look good in the score editor and printing them out for people to play. But the good thing here is that the score only needs to be basic in a way because the musicians often did great interpretations of the score anyway and I was there to guide them as well. (nothing compares to being there and saying you want them to pull back here and push harder there, no scoring software in the world can convey that sort of information) No I have not seen Cubase SX 3 scoring features so you are right on that account.
I still stand by the idea that any DAW is only going to so far scoring wise and sure Logic and maybe Cubase go a little further for sure but neither of them are in the class of Sibelius. I also know a person here who does a lot of work taking composers midi tracks and even basic scores from programs like Logic and re works them ready for the final actual recording session. (Logic scores are not useable for professional musicians to read in a real scoring session) He uses Sibelius and why, because Logic and Cubase are not even in the same league.
Sonar's strengths are not in scoring so dont get carried away with it, as Marah said above they are not going to go down that path anyway. Cakewalk needs to build on its strengths and make the program better in the areas it performs best. Areas where real professionals need the most. These are the areas where we depend on the software to make the music. Composers who write totally for live performers and there are some dont use Sonar.
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread!
2009/06/14 17:31:21
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I for one would like it if the music I write in Finale could be easily read in Sonar. I'm always going to write in Finale but exporting and importing can be a pain. I watch the SV go by as I play becuase I don't always remember what I wrote. The inability of the SV to display the notes properly is annoying.
The other thing that would be a HUGE improvement would be to update the scrolling in all the different views. Why can't the line be stationary and the wavs, notes or prv move along instead of the scroll jump method?
Notation, the original DAW. Everything else is just rote. We are who we are and no more than another. Humans, you people are crazy. Win 7 x64 X2 Intel DX58SO, Intel i7 920 2.66ghz 12gb DDR3 ASUS ATI EAH5750 650w PSU 4x WD HDs 320gb DVD, DVD RW Eleven Rack, KRK Rokit 8s and 10s sub
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