thomasabarnes
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The Pro Channel's Saturation Stage: Is the Drive control/function Broken? [Resolved]
I started to really use the Pro Channel since the X1b update. I'm mostly impressed with it. If I save a project with Pro Channel Compressor, EQ, and Saturarion settings made for a particular track, those settings come back active when I reload the project. I can also save settings as a preset and recall that preset for any audio track and see the settings and powerlight of the ProChannel componets on or off (depending on how I made the settings before I saved as a preset.) I'm aware of the issue with the Pre/Post buttons on the Pro Channel. I'm not referring to that matter. What's got me wondering is that the Drive knob on the Saturation component seems to do nothing at all when adjusted, whether in Type 1 or Type 2. I can see the Activity Indicator light up when I turn the Drive knob all the way up, but I hear no difference in the audio on the track. Am I missing something? I have a hardware Presonus Mic tube PreAmp with a drive control on it, and if I adjust that drive control, I can hear a difference in the sound I get from the Mic connected to the preamp. So, am I missing something that I should be made aware of with the drive control on the Saturartion component of the Pro Channel, or is this function broke? The input and output controls seem to work just fine. I would appreciate any reasonable feedback. :)
post edited by thomasabarnes - 2011/03/24 17:01:13
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Re:The Pro Channel's Saturation Stage: Is the Drive control/function Broken?
2011/03/24 16:26:52
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Thomas, I was trying to use the PC saturation as well this last couple of days and what I found is that the drive control is very much related to the input control of the saturator. IOW, if I increase the Input then the drive takes on more depth. This also means I had to lower the output to achieve the balance. SO in summary- play with the input first, then you should notice the drive control more effective. Think of the input like a threshold. HTH.
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thomasabarnes
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Re:The Pro Channel's Saturation Stage: Is the Drive control/function Broken?
2011/03/24 16:46:34
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Hi Billy: Yeah, I noticed that the input control makes a difference as I had to mess around with increasing it to get the Activity indicator to light up, but what I wasn't doing was to lower the output enough to really tell a difference. Now that I know how it works, it still seems to be a relatively subtile effect heard even when the drive is increased fully, the input set at various settings above half way, and the output set at various settings below half way. I can see it is working, though. Thanks for the enlightenment. :)
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Re:The Pro Channel's Saturation Stage: Is the Drive control/function Broken?
2011/03/24 17:05:32
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thomasabarnes Hi Billy: Yeah, I noticed that the input control makes a difference as I had to mess around with increasing it to get the Activity indicator to light up, but what I wasn't doing was to lower the output enough to really tell a difference. Now that I know how it works, it still seems to be a relatively subtile effect heard even when the drive is increased fully, the input set at various settings above half way, and the output set at various settings below half way. I can see it is working, though. Thanks for the enlightenment. :) It is very subtle. It sounds the best when you use it just a little bit on each track. It also gives DI bass tracks some good growl, then throw on perfect space with a bass cab impulse.
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Re:The Pro Channel's Saturation Stage: Is the Drive control/function Broken?
2011/03/24 17:08:53
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thomasabarnes Hi Billy: Yeah, I noticed that the input control makes a difference as I had to mess around with increasing it to get the Activity indicator to light up, but what I wasn't doing was to lower the output enough to really tell a difference. Now that I know how it works, it still seems to be a relatively subtile effect heard even when the drive is increased fully, the input set at various settings above half way, and the output set at various settings below half way. I can see it is working, though. Thanks for the enlightenment. :) Thomas, It depends on the source material. I don't feel "this' saturator is that good, frankly. There are much better, more reactive ones all around (3rd party and freebies). But, as an example - take a pretty standard kick and throw the saturator on. Increase the input until you see the little icon start to light up. The adjust the drive and try the 2 different style settings. You should hear a big difference once you've overdriven it. This saturator may be handy at times, but again, I think there are better options available.
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Re:The Pro Channel's Saturation Stage: Is the Drive control/function Broken?
2011/03/24 17:55:16
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Thanks for the reply Billy. I understand. I was using the Saturation component on vocals. I was hoping it could replace my Presonus tube preamp. I will mess around with trying to get better results when it's applied to vocals. I really don't want to have to resort to 3rd party plug ins for a software tube mic preamp. There are compatibility matters I'm concerned about, and the benefits of the built in Pro Channel strip decreases compatibility concerns (also I could save effort it takes and the little money it take to replace the hardware tube.) If the built in Saturation compont doesn't cut it, I have to use the Presonus unint I have, get another hardware Mic tube preamp (was looking at ART's Digital MPA-II,) or settle for the PSP vintange warmer included in SONAR. I'm trying to get a decent tube preamp sound without the hassle of having to replace the freakin tubes. I hear there are some decent digital units without a tube that renders a decent tube preamp sound, but i've had no luck finding any at a price point I can handle. If anyone can recommend some decent hardware unit at $600 or lower, I'm all ears. :) Again, thanks for the reply.
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BEATZM1D10T
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Re:The Pro Channel's Saturation Stage: Is the Drive control/function Broken?
2011/03/24 18:18:08
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Most tube pre's under the 600 mark really aren't the 'tube' sound anyways. The ART/Presonus stuff for the most part use the tubes at low voltages and for 'color' more than actual gain. Some of the stuff in that price mark is OKAY, but good transformers, components, tubes (you want old stock ones for the most part), and power supplies cost more money. Save up a bit more and get this http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Solo610/ Bleed once I say ;)
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Re:The Pro Channel's Saturation Stage: Is the Drive control/function Broken?
2011/03/24 19:00:52
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BEATZM1D10T Most tube pre's under the 600 mark really aren't the 'tube' sound anyways. The ART/Presonus stuff for the most part use the tubes at low voltages and for 'color' more than actual gain. Some of the stuff in that price mark is OKAY, but good transformers, components, tubes (you want old stock ones for the most part), and power supplies cost more money. Save up a bit more and get this http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Solo610/ Bleed once I say ;) LOL - I like that saying ("Bleed once") ... I'm gonna use it if you don't mind ;)
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