The Sunday Report...The Circus is Back in Town!

Good mornin, chillun.  This should really be called the Saturday report I guess as yesterday is when I had to turn out two projects (one "cowpoke" kind of an acoustic thingy and a "roadhouse shuffle" for a client to choose between for their radio advertising background).  The more I work with X1Ex the more I'm likin it.  Although I am havin to get used to some of the "changes".  Like midi effects for instance.  Used to when I wanted to change say all the velocities of my snare drums I'd just select em, then go up to the main drop down for effects and pick midi>velocity>action and then it apply effects.  Boom.  Done.  Now (I think) I have to insert the midi effect velocity into the fx bin on the midi track before I can apply them to the track.  If I don't the midi effects are greyed out in the main toolbar drop down.  But it still does the job.  If a bit more tedious.  Anyways I got both beds done and waxed up a particularly high sheen on the "Roadhouse Shuffle" thing...tres hot.  But I did mention the Circus comin back to town didn't I?
 
Well, not only do I still have most all my usual X1 hijinks still goin on (no notes in the PRV upon first entering...having to back out an re-enter to get them to show, etc...) there are a couple of new clowns tumbling out of the tiny X1Ex car and onto the sawdust.  First we had the mysterious "solo that isn't".  Quite frequently during my sessions I would solo a track or group of tracks (i.e. drums) to edit them.  At first, no problem.  BUT...once I made any edit in the PRV and then returned to the Track View...those tracks (or track) would not playback at all...although they were still marked as soloed.  If unsoloed them they played back along with everything else and then If I re-soloed them they were soloed again.  But if I went back into the PRV and did some more editing??  No playback again.  Again this did not happen every single time...just most.  Also when instantiating new soft synths I have started checking the "create track folder" box.  On all the soft synths I inserted into the project with the "show first/main output only" box checked I got one extra midi track created.  So...I'd have a midi and audio track inside a track folder PLUS one extra midi track for good measure.  Again...not every single time.  But most.  I also got the dreaded lag on the record button (which, according to another thread might be due to my Focusrite Pro24DSP having "too new" of drivers.  Imagine that.  All this with the usual "the teleport server has encountered a problem..."/BitBridge nuttiness.
 
And then....
 
This morning when I powered up the box and tried to open X1 it WOULDN'T.  At all.  I tried logging off and on.  No go.  Had to power completely down and up again before X1 finally made it past the splash screen and opened as per normal.  I did notice that every time it tried and failed to open the little blue "BitBridge" symbol had appeared along the bottom of the screen in the Windows bar next to the X1 icon...even tho there are NO 32 bit plugs in my Normal template).  So I suspect that it was some plug problem from yesterday still lingering.  But the box had been turned off completely all night and a fresh cold boot this morning didn't correct it.  I guess I'm lucky a second one did. 
 
Anywhoo.  Still gotta love ol X1Ex.  She's gettin better everyday and if she happens to have a "crazy streak" well, who, worth knowin...doesn't??  I'm half nuts myownself. 
 
Rock on, me droogies.  Rock on.
 

I sometimes wonder if many X1 problems are related to bitbridge/jbridge and ultimately to using 32bit plugins in 64bit Sonar and/or W7 64bit.

I could be way out in left field but it sure seems like bitbridge comes up a lot in posts about bugs and glitches.
edit> Billy, I hadn't refreshed and didn't see your response before posting. I wonder if people who are using exclusively 64bit plugins are having as many problems.
J

jbow


I sometimes wonder if many X1 problems are related to bitbridge/jbridge and ultimately to using 32bit plugins in 64bit Sonar and/or W7 64bit.

I could be way out in left field but it sure seems like bitbridge comes up a lot in posts about bugs and glitches.
edit> Billy, I hadn't refreshed and didn't see your response before posting. I wonder if people who are using exclusively 64bit plugins are having as many problems.

I certainly think it's a resonable question to consider, and there certainly is anecdotal evidence to support this theory.   As you point out - it does come up often in posts around here.

I also think there may have been some issues (resolved or improved upon) via the Expanded add-on with regard to the VST scanner.

However, as i said in my reply to our Ol Pal, I'm not using any bridging and am not seeing the issues he has raised.   I think there is something to look into in that regard.

I was having the same issue with X1E after installing the latest driver for my pro24. Rolled it back to 2.2 and everything seems to be back to normal....relatively speaking.... Thanks for the good read.

Diggin' your posts here, 'O lPal ...and yur sense of humor!

Now I started gettin the 'teleport server has stopped working' thingy recently after doing some Windows updates and installing UAD version 6 software. At first I didn't pay heed to it since I also use FX Teleport for streaming plugs from another system which was not in use at the time and thought it was related to that. I believe BitBridge is an FX Max product like FX Teleport and written by the same company. Whether that's related or not, I don't know- maybe Noel or someone can comment on this.

I'm using X1C not Expanded so I don't think that's related. My system has never crashed and is rock solid. So this issue doesn't seem to be X1E related. My specs are in my signature.

I'm also starting to really like X1 the more I use it and I have to admit I was slow to adapt. I still use 8.5 for mission critical stuff on XP32 when I need to but that's rare now. I'm gaining a lot of confidence in X1 and will probably get Expanded soon. I really do like the Pro Channel but tend to rely on UAD, Waves and Voxengo plugs for much of my work.

Keep up the Sunday posts, Ol Pal; you have a unique writers personality...

Skyline_UK

ba_midi

...BTW, for quick velocity adjusting of notes, you can also use "F2" which brings up a dialogue to set a max and min velocity, and with the option to make it a percentage.   I use this all the time and it's much quicker than either of the methods you mentioned in your post.

Just select the note/notes/clips, etc, and use the function.  Very handy Ol Pal.

Billy, run that past me again.  When I click F2 the MIDI track toggles between muted and unmuted(?).  To change velocities I select the notes or clip, then pull the PRV aside if I was working with notes, right click on the clip, and then select Process Effects/MIDI Effects/Cakewalk FXVelocity.  An utter PIA when as we all know you should be able to click on the main menu's 'Process' option, etc.  Hence your F2 move caught me eye.  Or have I misunderstood?  Thanks.
 
John

DUH is me, John.  I have my F2 bound to "Scale Velocity" and use the ";" for MUTE.

With Scale Velocity you can select a note, a group of notes, an entire clip, multiple clips, etc -- it will perform on all those.

It's WAY faster than the "Process" approach.

Another quick approach used to be done by using the "Event Inspector" which, on my system, is no longer visible in the Control Bar unless I want to give up something in its place.

But, the EVENT Inspector also can process single or multiple events quickly.

garrigus


One of the best ways to work with groups of MIDI notes (including changing velocities)  is to use the Event Inspector. Check out this video for more info...

* Cakewalk SONAR: Event Inspector Editing
http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/video.asp?ID=7

Scott

Yeah, Scott -- if we could only convince the 'brains' at CW to give us the E.I. either as a standalone module or a floatable one.    As it is now, if I want to use it in the control bar I have to give something else up in order to make space for it.   In my opinion, that was, sorry to say, a dumb decsign decision.

what I do now is make the control bar floatable while I need the E.I. and re-dock it when I don't.   while floating the CB I can stretch it across monitors temporarily.

I would pay to have both the Event Inspector and the Synth Rack as standalones rather than incorporated into a restrictive fashion as they are now.   Having the Synth Rack as part of the browser I also felt was, sorry to say, a dumb design decision imho.

trimph1


@olpal...love the sense of humour in this..do not love that you are having these issues though.

I have had to back out of PRV to get notes to show here a few times but the rest is definitely weird.

Hmm, the only time I've had the PRV open up empty (ie, not showing notes) is when I dbl click on the bottom half of a clip and the timeline (now time) is set to an area where no notes are playing,.
This is normal behavior in X1.

I wonder if that's what's happening to those reporting the "No notes" PRV issue?

ba_midi

trimph1


@olpal...love the sense of humour in this..do not love that you are having these issues though.

I have had to back out of PRV to get notes to show here a few times but the rest is definitely weird.

Hmm, the only time I've had the PRV open up empty (ie, not showing notes) is when I dbl click on the bottom half of a clip and the timeline (now time) is set to an area where no notes are playing,.
This is normal behavior in X1.

I wonder if that's what's happening to those reporting the "No notes" PRV issue?

Yup...I thought that might be it (and a couple of others have made this suggestion as well) and while that WILL happen it isn't what's happening in my case.  I've learned to make sure my now time is definitely where I want it to be before entering the PRV.  YMMV
 

yorolpal

ba_midi

trimph1


@olpal...love the sense of humour in this..do not love that you are having these issues though.

I have had to back out of PRV to get notes to show here a few times but the rest is definitely weird.

Hmm, the only time I've had the PRV open up empty (ie, not showing notes) is when I dbl click on the bottom half of a clip and the timeline (now time) is set to an area where no notes are playing,.
This is normal behavior in X1.

I wonder if that's what's happening to those reporting the "No notes" PRV issue?

Yup...I thought that might be it (and a couple of others have made this suggestion as well) and while that WILL happen it isn't what's happening in my case.  I've learned to make sure my now time is definitely where I want it to be before entering the PRV.  YMMV
 

I've checked that out again..and danged if it did not happen again. And no double clicking either. What really has me is that it will show up once I backed out and went back in...huh?

yorolpal

ba_midi

trimph1


@olpal...love the sense of humour in this..do not love that you are having these issues though.

I have had to back out of PRV to get notes to show here a few times but the rest is definitely weird.

Hmm, the only time I've had the PRV open up empty (ie, not showing notes) is when I dbl click on the bottom half of a clip and the timeline (now time) is set to an area where no notes are playing,.
This is normal behavior in X1.

I wonder if that's what's happening to those reporting the "No notes" PRV issue?

Yup...I thought that might be it (and a couple of others have made this suggestion as well) and while that WILL happen it isn't what's happening in my case.  I've learned to make sure my now time is definitely where I want it to be before entering the PRV.  YMMV  

It's not just where the now time is -- that matters, but where we click on a clip.    The upper half will for the PRV to locate to where the click is (ie, the now time will jump to there).  Clicking on the lower half of a clip only opens the PRV AT the now time, so if no data (notes) are there, well -- there's nothing to show.

But if it is a real bug you guys are finding, I just haven't bumped into it yet, I guess.   Though I'm sure I will at some point, if that's it.

I don't think it is a bug per se..just an odd annoyance..

FastBikerBoy


I saw the PRV thing in the original X1 but I haven't seen it since the B release IIRC.

I had a couple of freezes the other day when using some T-racks plugins bridged. Strangely (for me) it seemed to be Jbridge causing it 'cos when I put them back to bitbridge all was well again.

I think I've had more 'trouble' with X1 since 'C' and expanded then I did from X1 thru B. Billy, you're not slowly shipping your early problems across the Atlantic to me are you?

Aww, gee Karl - you figured it out.  I'm just getting even with everyone who said X1 was stable for them when it first came out LOL.

But seriously - it does seem like those using the bridging are seeing various issues that I'm not (now).

There really does seem to be some correlation there.

ba_midi

yorolpal

ba_midi

trimph1


@olpal...love the sense of humour in this..do not love that you are having these issues though.

I have had to back out of PRV to get notes to show here a few times but the rest is definitely weird.

Hmm, the only time I've had the PRV open up empty (ie, not showing notes) is when I dbl click on the bottom half of a clip and the timeline (now time) is set to an area where no notes are playing,.
This is normal behavior in X1.

I wonder if that's what's happening to those reporting the "No notes" PRV issue?

Yup...I thought that might be it (and a couple of others have made this suggestion as well) and while that WILL happen it isn't what's happening in my case.  I've learned to make sure my now time is definitely where I want it to be before entering the PRV.  YMMV  

It's not just where the now time is -- that matters, but where we click on a clip.    The upper half will for the PRV to locate to where the click is (ie, the now time will jump to there).  Clicking on the lower half of a clip only opens the PRV AT the now time, so if no data (notes) are there, well -- there's nothing to show.

But if it is a real bug you guys are finding, I just haven't bumped into it yet, I guess.   Though I'm sure I will at some point, if that's it.

Well what I meant was that I place my cursor (the line that runs vertically down the TV at exactly where I want to be) BEFORE clicking to enter the PRV.  And here's another thing.  Many times, even if I am very careful about where the cursor is...I enter the PRV one or two measures later in the song.  Quite often in fact.  No biggie but a curiosity.
 

aleef

  im starting to think so. i myself have crashed X1 twice since released, and both times were related to a certain plugin(Alloy) bitbridge is iffy with that one.

A little OT but...

Aleef - I could have sworn that there was a native 64-bit version of Alloy.  I'm not near my DAW right now but I used it yesterday remember it as being 64-bit.

Don