Jonateemik
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The Usage of MC5?
Quick question. Would Music Creator 5 be a good product for a live event? By live event, I mean church (sorry if I offend anybody). At church we would like to record the service. We have no way of doing so now other than with a mic and a computer's Sound Recorder which has TERRIBLE quality. All of our mics run through a sound board that can be hooked up to a computer. So would MC5 be good for the purpose of controlling what comes out of each speaker and recording the service? I'm terrible at giving details so please ask as many questions as possible!!!
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Guitarhacker
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Re:The Usage of MC5?
2011/08/05 21:22:28
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There are better ways to run a live service. oh yeah... don't apologize for church. I would run the service from a mixer board. Take the output of the board and send it to the computer. MC5 is a good product to use for this purpose. You can edit out things you don't want in the final CD/DVD burn. In addition, depending how much work you want to put into it, you can really make it sound good by spending some time before the final burn. I don't like the idea of running anything in a live mode that relies on a computer and a software program to function properly. It's one thing to have a piano/synth running live as opposed to having the entire event dependent on a computer. Run it from the mixer, which will not crash, and use the computer to grab the audio. If it crashes, you loose about 2 minutes for the reboot.
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gcolbert
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Re:The Usage of MC5?
2011/08/05 22:06:17
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MC5 (MC6 now) with a small mixer and a low cost (<$200) sound interface will let you faithfully and accurately reproduce the sounds of your service. You will be suprised at just how well you can do this with a little bit of reading, viewing tutorials, and practicing. That said, once you know what you are doing, you will want to make your sound better than the live performance (fixing problems and improving the mix). To do that you will eventially want to get Sonar X1 and a multi-channel recording interface that has at least one seperate recording channel for each microphone (including instrument microphomes) that you will want to use.
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Beagle
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Re:The Usage of MC5?
2011/08/06 07:22:06
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if you only want to record the stereo output of a mixer of the service than MC5/MC6 will be fine. if you want to record individual channels for each member of the band and/or each singer then you'd need to upgrade to Sonar X1 Essentials because MC only allows 2 simultaneous inputs. your soundcard will be limited as well and you'd need a multi-input soundcard for multi-input recording. however, I would not necessarily say that MC would be a good program to control what comes out of the speakers for the service. I'd need to know more about how you run the equipment at the church to know what you mean by that, but I personally would not use ANY software to be the control for the mix for a live service.
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Guitarhacker
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Re:The Usage of MC5?
2011/08/06 08:39:16
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all good advice here.... post 3 referenced an interface. You might want to consider one. It will make things a bit easier to do. Getting the audio from the church mixer board into the computer is easier and better with an interface. An inexpensive audio only interface would work well..... using ASIO drivers.
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
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Jonateemik
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Re:The Usage of MC5?
2011/08/06 22:07:45
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Thanks for your help! Ill show this to the "sound booth".
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jasonking
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Re:The Usage of MC5?
2011/08/07 13:15:36
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hello should be ideal, but i am not an expert.. prob mr Beagle et al, can throw more light on the ins and outs , but it should do what you want it to.
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Jonateemik
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Re:The Usage of MC5?
2011/08/07 14:52:26
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Ok so just thinking... If I only wanted to record the service, would I hook up the sound board to my computer, set it as the input and record what is coming in? If so, would the sound board be the output also? And would I use an audio track for midi or what? As you can see I really don't know much about music technology, I'm more just a fan/player. Just trying to help the church. Also, I have no access to the sound board so that's why I'm trying to gather as much info before going to the Sound Manager person. I know they are looking for something to record with but are out of budget so...
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Guitarhacker
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Re:The Usage of MC5?
2011/08/07 20:30:00
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You take the board output... split from the mains... or pick up the signal from the monitor or buss outputs or even the headphone jack with an adapter. Run that signal to a USB audio interface that is connected to the computer. Monitor the service from the interface headphone output.... or if you have an isolated sound booth, you can set up some small powered monitors getting the signal from the USB interface. You will record this into either one (mono) or two (stereo) AUDIO tracks. Since what is coming in is audio, you use audio tracks. MIDI is data from something like a keyboard or electronic drum kit. Normally NO... you will not be recording MIDI in the service. You will work strictly with audio. Another option is to buy a dedicated CD/DVD recorder that can record to a disk in real time. I have one upstairs in my studio... it's a dual tray and I use it mostly for high speed copying. It does have the ability to record just like a cassette recorder. That is simple... hit record and run until the disk is full. MC will allow you to edit the silence, and stuff that just takes up time, like announcements and collections, and moments of silence for prayer. You might not want them on the disk if they run over the time limit on the disk.
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
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Re:The Usage of MC5?
2011/08/08 06:30:32
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yes, exactly like Herb (guitarhacker) says. split the mains, run one side to the house monitors the other to the soundcard input. and yes, you'd use a STEREO AUDIO track for that in MC or TWO MONO tracks. the sound person might benefit from coming here and asking questions as well once you bring your suggestion to him. I would further suggest, however that you and he consider a fairly inexpensive recording soundcard to do this with like gcolbert and guitarhacker have mentioned above. you can get a decent USB soundcard for about $100 to $150 which will give you much better quality than the onboard soundcard. you'll likely have problems with popping/clicking and even dropout with the onboard soundcard. check my website for some soundcard recommendations.
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Jonateemik
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Re:The Usage of MC5?
2011/08/10 19:28:25
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Ok thanks your your help/recommendations. They'll will certainly help!
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NashvilleKat1968
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Re:The Usage of MC5?
2011/08/13 15:29:38
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Not to be a party pooper but you may also want to check on the copyright issues if you plan on recording the music from the service. (Which I assume is at least part of what you want to do). Some of the publishing companies have been hammering churches and worship bands for recording and distributing their material without permission. You'll see many churches are even careful to display the copyright info when they display song lyrics to their congregation. They're required to do so and many churches either pay royalties or have paid a fee to use a publisher's material in such a manner. Of course, I live in the Nashville area where the vast majority of these copyright holders and publishers live. You never know who will be sitting in the congregation.
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Guitarhacker
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Re:The Usage of MC5?
2011/08/13 16:14:21
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Nashville kat has a point. Legally, and morally, the churches are supposed to be paying the licensing fees for usage. However as long as a song is not recorded or reprinted so the choir can learn the words..... they would not need to worry. the churches I have attended buy dozens of the song books so they are paying the fees in the cost of the materials but they are not supposed to copy the material. If you are recording the service and the songs end up on the recording, and you burn it to CD or cassette, you are supposed to pay the license and royalties. The easy solution to stay legal, is to only record the sermon. Which, that might be the best thing to do anyway unless the preacher preaches a 20 minute sermon..... (hopefully not...huh?)
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
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