cclarry
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The Verdict is IN!!!
This years Music Radar Survey for fan fav DAW results are in... Sonar X1 -2 Placed 9th....Pro Tools 8th.... ANY GUESSES FOR NUMBER 1?
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timidi
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 19:05:04
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 19:09:39
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Nope... I think GB was 15....out of 15
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 19:11:01
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Green Acres is the place to be I dont twitter, facebook, snapchat, instagram,linkedin,tumble,pinterest,flick, blah blah,lets have an old fashioned conversation!
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 19:15:31
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I'm gonna go with Ableton. These surveys mean nothing.
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 19:21:20
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I was VERY close and I am horrified by the true answer (which I will not spoil)... so my original statement that these surveys mean nothing is more true than intended. I mean... seriously?
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 19:26:45
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 19:28:59
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It was FLStudio...
too many lasers... Sonar = audio editing ninja of a music software!
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 19:35:36
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Cubase was WAY down the list as a were all the serious musicians DAWs (that probably comes off as pretentious but fer crickets sakes I PLAY GUITAR!) What a joke... and Nuendo? Whar Nuendo? WHAR?!
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 19:37:20
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I don't read too much into them either but it is interesting how FL Studio is number 1. It could also mean that a larger percentage of the people that took the survey are into the type of music that FL Studio is very capable of making and a lot better than most DAW's I have actually got FL Studio and it is a very interesting and different program indeed. It is actually stupid to think that it is rubbish as well unless you have it and have used it for some time. You would have quite a different opinion then. Also interesting to see Studio One now at number 3 while Sonar is down at number 9. I don't get Logic though being so high. Logic is dead in the water and they are basically not developing it any more as far as I can see. It was a leader for a while but many programs including Studio One have far surpassed it now. Logic users need to get off it and start thinking about an alternative program for the Mac. It really has not been updated for years now.
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 19:41:05
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FLstudio is fine and I'd like to get a full version eventually but it's not geared towards flesh and nail artists. I guess I'm slowly becoming obsolete. :-(
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 19:44:56
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Logic users need to get off it and start thinking about an alternative program for the Mac. I think it's gonna Rain soon.
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 19:54:09
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bapu Was it McQ Base10? BBP........E!!
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 20:06:16
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Jeff Evans I don't get Logic though being so high. Logic is dead in the water and they are basically not developing it any more as far as I can see. It was a leader for a while but many programs including Studio One have far surpassed it now. Logic users need to get off it and start thinking about an alternative program for the Mac. It really has not been updated for years now. And that statement is based on? Absolutely nothing. I thought so... As much as I value your input on certain things Jeff, that's a rather empty claim. Logic is doing just fine. Yes, the last major upgrade has been released 3 years ago - but Apple has been releasing a steady string of free updates ever since - the most recent earlier last summer. Maybe that's not standard in the industry to release free updates for so long instead of systematically asking customers to upgrade every year or two in the hope that maybe the new version will work as advertised; but as far as I'm concerned, I'm all for it. I do own Studio One and I like it a lot - but I can't for the life of me figure out how someone would claim that it is "by far superior" - unless they've never worked w/ Logic and have no clue what they're talking about. Notation, advanced MIDI functionalities - the likes of which Studio One can't even pretend to hold a candle to, and so on... Even if Presonus tried to copy the implementation, track comping STILL works better and faster in Logic (no need to "promote track", comps are automatically saved and numbered, accessible w/ a single click, and so on). And before you blame it on me not knowing the software or not having worked w/ it long enough - I've bought Studio One around the same time as I bought Logic. I even own the latest books about Studio One. I've used it and done my homework, and I know it pretty darn well. In fact, I'm even turning my studio owner friends onto it. So, really, from Varispeed to track comping done right to all the shiniest new bells and whistles that make a decent 75% of all the major upgrades - Logic 9 has it. And if innovation takes time, so be it. A few years from now, Studio One users will benefit from it, just like they've benefited from Logic's GUI and track comping made easy. ;) EDIT - FWIW, Apple recently acquired Redmatica, who specialized in audio editing and sampling - something tells me that EXS-24 and sampling in Logic will be brought to a whole new level. http://www.macrumors.com/...ftware-firm-redmatica/
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 20:07:32
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timidi Logic users need to get off it and start thinking about an alternative program for the Mac. I think it's gonna Rain soon. LOL Well, Jeff did perform the Rain Dance... But it's not so much just a Logic thing as the empty statements that gets me.
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 20:19:47
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I probably shouldn't have spoken out loud there and Jeff I do agree that FLstudios is an "interesting" program (and certainly respect your opinions and input). I just have never really gotten it to work the way I need it to and remember it as the beat machine it was back in the day... and couldn't get it to do what I wanted back then either. However as I said it will end up in the arsenal at some point but to me I don't really consider it a DAW in the traditional sense because I'm not an electronic artist... yet. That's probably not fair to say but I can't be arsed to try and force it to be like Sonar or Nuendo. Personally I think Ableton might do more for me in that realm anyway. I still maintain that this type of subjective survey doesn't mean anything because they used the qualifier "best". If they had said "Most Used" or "Most Accessible" then it'd be more accurate but I doubt any pro studios are running FL as their core DAW. Okay... I'll shut up now. ;-)
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 20:19:52
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bapu Was it McQ Base10? Beepster said... Cubase was WAY down the list as a were all the serious musicians DAWs (that probably comes off as pretentious but fer crickets sakes I PLAY GUITAR!) What a joke... and Nuendo? Whar Nuendo? WHAR?! Cubase was actually 4th.... Well above Pro Junk and ReX2... There are some pretty innovative and excellent features in Cubase...AND it supports VST 3!!! (3.5 too - go figure?) Sonar still controls the PC Only market...as it's just about the ONLY MAJOR DAW that is still PC only... I'm sure Rain will be horrified where Logic fell in the poll.... MR has quite a readership....with CM, FM, and lot of other Music Mags... One thing you'll see.....Digital Performer, if it's stable on Windows...is gonna kick some serious BOOTAY in the near future....It's not an easy learn...but once you do....look out... I can tell you this...if Cake doesn't step up their game....they're going to be losing a lot of customers... When all these other "budget" DAW's , like FL and Reaper are out-performing and out-innovating them... and including support for technology that Cakewalk is too proud and arrogant to support.. There are some serious issues and questions there.... They better get on the stick...that's all I'm sayin' ...forget the Plugins....get the "substance" - that's what everyone wants.. we can (AND DO) buy plugin's all day long....so that's really not a program "Improvement" It's a program "BONUS" The added enhancements are nice...but that's all they are...enhancements...nothing really "ground breaking" as other DAW's have those features as well, and have for a while... They've slipped from 5th place last year...to 9th....that's a pretty steep decline... I know no one HERE puts stock in these things..but, I can tell you this...there really aren't a whole lot of "Pro's" who use X1 -2....just sayin'....and a lot MORE non-pros use other programs... I know you fanboi's are gonna ream me...but that's ok..you, too, are entitled to your opinion... If X2 was the most successful program launch in the HISTORY of Cakewalk. as the "politicians" have stated ....that's pretty scary...we'll see how this plays out... I'm a HUGE fan of X1 - 2...but I call 'em like I see 'em...that's all....end of story...bye bye... I'm not "blinded" by "fan-dom" BUT - that's just my opinion for what it's worth...and they're like ********everyone has one...
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 20:23:48
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@cclarry... Oh goodness me, you are correct. Where I got that from I'm not sure. I do not recall smoking any crack this evening. :-/
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 20:28:42
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Beepster @cclarry... Oh goodness me, you are correct. Where I got that from I'm not sure. I do not recall smoking any crack this evening. :-/ Nice.... Just for the record...I'm not a big Cubase fan...I left Cubase for Pro Tools..which I hated...Cubase is an excellent program....and left Pro Tools for X1....which I love...and still love...X2 is even better....but it had the potential to be GREAT...and they again missed the boat...(my opinion only)
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 21:03:11
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Hi Rain. I used Logic for 15 years producing millions of hours of soundtracks etc so I do know it is a very capable program. FYI I teach sound engineering and there we teach Pro Tools and Logic a lot so I am very familiar with Logic. I also use Studio One at home in my studio so I am someone who has got a handle on all three actually. Logic is just plain boring now and I am finding more and more students will say can you do this and that and I have to keep saying no, but then I think hang on you can do that in Studio One though. That is happening more and more now. Apple are not developing Logic and probably won't. Apple seem more interested in consumer things that are making them money than ultra professional software and hardware. The synths in Logic also all sound the same except for the ESX24. They all have a thinner cold digital sound to them. Not so in other DAW's. Granted the scoring stuff is reasonable in Logic and Studio One have decided not to put it in at all which I think is a great decision. You can download the whole of Logic now for $200 so that might give you some idea of what it is really worth. They will more than likely discontinue it all together and rumour has it they will put a version of it inside Garage band and make it free on all Apple Macs. I am even a bit worried about what Avid may or may not be doing as well as they could put a hold on Pro Tools for a while too. Who Knows.
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 21:04:38
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cclarry I'm sure Rain will be horrified where Logic fell in the poll.... Actually, I don't give a fudge. ;) No matter where those polls put it, it's still the best solution for me. As well as for 90% of the people in my line of business. What bugs me is people making empty statements. These I sometimes (okay, quite often) feel a need to address. Especially coming from people who go out of their way to show you that if you say a bad thing about Studio One, it's only because you haven't used it for long enough. I must say - the last time I had a chat w/ a studio owner, we didn't talk much about Logic - but actually, I told him about Studio One and the merits of Sonar.
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 21:36:11
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Jeff Evans Hi Rain. I used Logic for 15 years producing millions of hours of soundtracks etc so I do know it is a very capable program. FYI I teach sound engineering and there we teach Pro Tools and Logic a lot so I am very familiar with Logic. I also use Studio One at home in my studio so I am someone who has got a handle on all three actually. Logic is just plain boring now and I am finding more and more students will say can you do this and that and I have to keep saying no, but then I think hang on you can do that in Studio One though. That is happening more and more now. Apple are not developing Logic and probably won't. Apple seem more interested in consumer things that are making them money than ultra professional software and hardware. The synths in Logic also all sound the same except for the ESX24. They all have a thinner cold digital sound to them. Not so in other DAW's. Granted the scoring stuff is reasonable in Logic and Studio One have decided not to put it in at all which I think is a great decision. You can download the whole of Logic now for $200 so that might give you some idea of what it is really worth. They will more than likely discontinue it all together and rumour has it they will put a version of it inside Garage band and make it free on all Apple Macs. I am even a bit worried about what Avid may or may not be doing as well as they could put a hold on Pro Tools for a while too. Who Knows. Well, w/ all due respect for your academic endeavor and your personal preferences, the fact that you find it "boring" doesn't really change a thing. My own experience in real world studios (I'm not talking about bedroom studios here) tells me that, to this day, major composers, songwriters and studio owners still use Logic day in day out. Anyway, boring isn't really an objective term, anyway, is it? I find it efficient. Actually, as someone who can't stand the color blue, I could make a statement that Studio One is the most boring piece of software on earth. Again regarding Apple not developing Logic - ask even the people who've been writing certification books for Apple software and they'll tell you - those who know don't tell and those who tell don't know. So it's all rumors . Until Apple confirms it. Which they haven't done. As far as what we actually "know" (not what we think) - Apple still uses Garage Band as an entry level application, so that people who want the rest of the features will upgrade to Logic. The fact that they sell it for a mere $200 still isn't an indication that they're giving up on it. Remember that to run Logic, you have to buy Apple hardware - a Mac. I see it as aggressive marketing - same thing they've been doing w/ the rest of the software. Mountain Lion is only $20 - I don't think that this means that Apple is discontinuing their OS.
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 21:36:58
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Notepad wasn't #1? Wow...
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Rain
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 22:33:15
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Jeff Evans The synths in Logic also all sound the same except for the ESX24. They all have a thinner cold digital sound to them. Not so in other DAW's. That's one I failed to address, because, coming from someone who's a big fan of Studio One, it's probably the most unbelievable complaint. W/ the exception of Presence, synths aren't one of the selling point in S1. Below average for most as far as I'm concerned. Though the guitar player that I am digs Presence a lot because, well, it's not your typical synth. But in Logic? Agreed, you have a few cut down versions of the bigger synths like ES-Poly and ES-Mono, EFM-1... and they sound somewhat like their big brothers. But that's the point. I only find this useful. If I want a simple FM-type of bass line, I can easily get it w/o having to load the full synths (ES-1 and 2). I call this optimization. As for the rest - a very good B3/organ emulation, a pretty awesome clavinet, an electric piano that's still one of the best out there imho, a drum machine/sampler with an integrated step sequencer + advanced synthesis and fx, Sculpture for physical modeling, ES-1 and ES-2 for good old analogue synthesis, a Vocoder synth, etc... Yes, a lot of them sound "clean" - but it's rather easy to add some dirt - and I'd rather have to do that than the opposite. An old trick - just add Logic's delay and bypass the delay, and enable tape distortion... Add a bit of compression, using the bundled compressor, which is still, by far, the best/most versatile compressor I own. ;) Voilà.
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 22:36:28
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What we need here is Mr Reaper and Mr reason and this will be a cluster****
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 23:12:28
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I makes my beatz wiv FL - it's the shizzle wurd
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 23:13:23
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Hi Rain. I must say though that Logic has been around for a long time and as a result it is very stable and reliable especially in a teaching situation where the software gets treated very badly and I must say Logic just keeps on going and rarely falls over which is great. One school I was teaching at for a while had Sonar Home Studio and it was a disaster. Regarding synths I agree Studio One is not overly great with them but that is what is good about it. I have 40 or 50 amazing virtual synths in there now so I rarely use the bundled instruments. They don't waste time trying to impress you with instruments. They give you a few and let you put the ones in you want to work with. Presence is pretty good though. Their drum machine actually works better than Beatscape. There is a fair bit of content too for Studio One about 20 Gig I think. Have you got all that too Rain? And the third party VST's all work without a hitch as well. I do like the ESX24, I think it has a great sound. And I was lucky enough to get that and the Electric piano, oragn etc when they were available as separate VST's and I have all those as well. I have just found a lot of the other instruments in Logic I don't use that much because they are a little similar sounding to me. I have still got a Sonar 8.5 install on my system and just love Dimension Pro, Rapture and Z3ta+ and they all work and sound great in Studio One too. I am not that impressed with the Logic reverb either, I feel there are many nicer sounding convolution reverbs around now which go much further and sound much better. But that is due mainly to the fact that no one is really developing Logic, they are just in this mode of staying with what they have got. The one thing that all the programs that have been mentioned here (and Sonar of course!) have in common is that they are developing and moving forward. Logic is the only one that is basically remaining still. I think it depends on which part of the world you live in too as to what software is being used in very professional studios. I have been into many here in Australia and never seen Logic once. But as you and people like Freddie have pointed out that is not the case in Europe perhaps and other parts of the world.
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/10 23:39:01
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backwoods What we need here is Mr Reaper and Mr reason and this will be a cluster**** (It's actually MS Reason.)
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
2012/10/11 01:20:19
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Ah, the voice of Reason! LOL!
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Re:The Verdict is IN!!!
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