The last straw with Native Instruments and Sonar: now the NI Drummer mixers won't work

I've had so much trouble with Native Instruments stuff in Sonar it's unreal. The two just do NOT play nice. Way too many issues to mention....
 
But the latest one is the last straw. Now the mixer in Native Instruments Drummer libraries (70's Drummer, 80's Drummer etc) won't work properly. There are tabs for kick, snare, toms etc. Obviously, these tabs are supposed to act like radio buttons (i.e. only one can be selected) so that you can access the mixer and output settings for each drum. But all of a sudden, I'm able to select multiple drums at once in the mixer, and the settings in the settings pane below don't change according to the drums I'm clicking. This pic shows the problem:
 

 
Note how all of the drums are selected except TOM3. You should only be able to select one at a time. Also, notice how both "KIT MICS" and "BUSES" are selected in the top right - again, these should act as radio buttons. The settings in the setting pane below the drum tabs don't change when I click on a drum tab, so basically it's impossible to configure each drum. The whole thing is screwed in Sonar. 
 
I tried loading the same libraries in both Reaper and Pro Tools and it all works perfectly. 
 
This is a problem that has just arisen - I was using this same mixer just a couple of days ago without problems. This is characteristic of all the problems I've had with NI stuff in Sonar, one minute everything's fine and the next minute a whole host of debilitating issues appear from nowhere. I cannot work like this any more! Neither NI or Cakewalk seem to have an answer.  

robert_e_bone
I have had Sonar forever, and NI Komplete stuff as far back as Komplete 3, and am on Komplete 8 Ultimate at the moment, and have not had any particular issues between Sonar and NI.
 
I do have these components that you refer to above, and I will see if I can get them to exhibit behavior similar to what you are experiencing.
 
It's going to be a couple of hours, but I will post back with or without the issues cropping up on my system.
 
Bob Bone
 

Thanks Bob. This particular issue is not something I've seen before, I just noticed it today. I've tried resetting VST plugins and rescanning etc....and I've also tried all variations of Kontakt (8 out, 16 out etc) - nothing fixes it. 

mmorgan
sharke: I'm not seeing that in my Studio Drummer in NI (Komplete 9 Ult.). I know you said 70s Drummer et al but the Studio Drummer looks identical in appearance to what you show. The only 70s, 80s stuff I have is the Abbey Road series.
 
You state this is a new problem, has anything changed on your system? How are you selecting the tabs? I tried <Shift> and <Cntl><Click> but could still only select one tab. It may sound dumb but when I first saw your graphic I thought that Tom 3 was the selected piece (IOW: the graphics had been reversed).
 
I have to admit I've had problems routing stuff out in Kontakt previously but I ultimately traced in down to my error...not assigning stereo/mono correctly.
 
Regards,

Nothing's changed on my system and I haven't screwed with any plugin settings in the plugin manager or anything like that. It was working fine a couple of days ago, then today bam it's all gone pear shaped. I'm just selecting the tabs the same as you, by clicking on them. Instead of acting like radio buttons, they toggle on/off and I can turn all of them on. The settings in the setting pane seem to be stuck on the kick settings. 
 
It's the same with all of NI's Drummer series: 60's/70's/80's/Modern/Studio. And everything works fine in Pro Tools and Reaper. 

What Bob said sounds like a potential, also, does this occur in all projects or just one? Can you start a new project and insert the player and library with the same result? Given your response in PT and Reaper if you can open it in a new X2 project that would point to a project problem. I know that doesn't solve the issue but I'm just trying to narrow it down.
 
Regards,

mmorgan
What Bob said sounds like a potential, also, does this occur in all projects or just one? Can you start a new project and insert the player and library with the same result? Given your response in PT and Reaper if you can open it in a new X2 project that would point to a project problem. I know that doesn't solve the issue but I'm just trying to narrow it down. Regards,

It happens when I open a new project in Sonar. I also forgot to mention that it works fine in standalone mode.

ampfixer
What you describe is typical of all my Sonar problems. It worked yesterday and today it's toast. I can't replicate your problem on my system and that's also part of the Sonar trip. It seems that their are unique problems to deal with that can't be replicated on other systems. It sucks, but you're far from alone.

Sucks doesn't it. Being a logical person I know there must be some logical explanation. But at the same time, meh. 

I'm not sure there are "versions" of the Drummer libraries, at least I cannot see versions listed on them. I'm using Kontakt  version 5.2.0.6361. 

Yeah I think Ultimate 8 was originally shipped with only the "Drums" versions, and the "Drummer" libraries were given away as a free download for Komplete owners not long afterwards. I think they were out when I bought Komplete, but they weren't on the disc - I still had to download them separately. 

You could be mega mind and still get stumped by Sonar. I think this is a personal issue for sharke, no voodoo will fix it. I get some little riff going and one day it just won't load. I usually go to my folders and pull out the audio and midi to create a new project. That's my go-to fix for projects gone bad.

ampfixer
You could be mega mind and still get stumped by Sonar. I think this is a personal issue for sharke, no voodoo will fix it. I get some little riff going and one day it just won't load. I usually go to my folders and pull out the audio and midi to create a new project. That's my go-to fix for projects gone bad.

I've had to do that a few times. Weird bugs and corruptions seem to build up in a project over time to the point where it becomes unstable and I don't feel comfortable working with it any more. 

chuckebaby

ampfixer
You could be mega mind and still get stumped by Sonar. I think this is a personal issue for sharke, no voodoo will fix it. I get some little riff going and one day it just won't load. I usually go to my folders and pull out the audio and midi to create a new project. That's my go-to fix for projects gone bad.

well its either just give up or try.
I remember an issue with guitar rig a few weeks back, I think he was able to resolve it (I might be wrong)
but rather than just say its voodoo, a personal issue and wrap it up.
its worth trying to give it a positive shot  :)
im sorry about your problems john, hope it all works out someday with an update or upgrade.
sucks trying to make music and have problems.
but rather than share in the misery sometimes we got to give it a shot man.
unfortunately, this is not my bag  :)  so some mere moral support I can give.
 
"its got to be something..." !!!!
:)
 
good luck on this guys.

 
If you mean my ongoing issue with Guitar Rig effects having their settings zeroed when the project loads, well I never got to the bottom of that. Nor the issue with Waves effects having their settings zeroed, or now the ProChannel EQ having it's settings zeroed as well. 

chuckebaby

sharke

chuckebaby

ampfixer
You could be mega mind and still get stumped by Sonar. I think this is a personal issue for sharke, no voodoo will fix it. I get some little riff going and one day it just won't load. I usually go to my folders and pull out the audio and midi to create a new project. That's my go-to fix for projects gone bad.

well its either just give up or try.
I remember an issue with guitar rig a few weeks back, I think he was able to resolve it (I might be wrong)
but rather than just say its voodoo, a personal issue and wrap it up.
its worth trying to give it a positive shot  :)
im sorry about your problems john, hope it all works out someday with an update or upgrade.
sucks trying to make music and have problems.
but rather than share in the misery sometimes we got to give it a shot man.
unfortunately, this is not my bag  :)  so some mere moral support I can give.
 
"its got to be something..." !!!!
:)
 
good luck on this guys.

 
If you mean my ongoing issue with Guitar Rig effects having their settings zeroed when the project loads, well I never got to the bottom of that. Nor the issue with Waves effects having their settings zeroed, or now the ProChannel EQ having it's settings zeroed as well. 

I wasn't sure. I remember noel jumping in, I thought he was able to tell you what was going on and how to fix it by reinstalling or something(I didn't catch the whole thread)
I can see how you would be demoralized here no doubt.
just try to stay positive, weather it is sonar,ni, or what ever.
good luck on this.

I've tried reinstalling both Sonar and the Native Instruments stuff to no avail, demoralized pretty much sums it up! The worst part of it was that I had some of these problems months ago and they nearly drove me insane, then they disappeared and I was extra happy about it. So to have them reappear again is doubly infuriating....my finger is constantly hovering over the Cubase/Studio One order button...

sharke: I really feel for you since I and others can't replicate the issue. I'd like to help but if I can't replicate I can't experience it.
 
Regarding the versioning, I'm sure there are 'versions' of libraries but they may not be published as such (as opposed to the Kontakt engine which would be). Since you have no issues in PT and Reaper and the library runs in standalone mode I think there is an issue with the Kontakt script engine and how X2 is interacting with it. Based on that I'd have to say the solution would probably need to go through Cakewalk Tech Support.
 
Sorry I can't be of any assistance.
 
Regards,
 

mmorgan
sharke: I really feel for you since I and others can't replicate the issue. I'd like to help but if I can't replicate I can't experience it.
 
Regarding the versioning, I'm sure there are 'versions' of libraries but they may not be published as such (as opposed to the Kontakt engine which would be). Since you have no issues in PT and Reaper and the library runs in standalone mode I think there is an issue with the Kontakt script engine and how X2 is interacting with it. Based on that I'd have to say the solution would probably need to go through Cakewalk Tech Support.
 
Sorry I can't be of any assistance.
 
Regards,
 

Yep a problem with the script engine and Sonar is probably what's happening. I thinking there must be something inherently different about the way Sonar interacts with this stuff as opposed to other DAW's. 

Glyn Barnes
There was a Kontakt 5.2 update. Probably not relevent but "A lot of other minor bugs fixed" could address some issues
 
New effect: Feedback compressor.
Fixed loading Reaktor sample maps in Kontakt
(and some other 3rd party format loading fixes too).
In-App authorization
fixed (causing intermittent missing libraries).
KSP: a lot of improvements
for MIDI object processing (MIDI files can now be loaded into
multiscript!).
Fixed rare crashes when streaming NCWs.
Flex envelope
incorrectly displaying currently selected node fixed (also fixed crashing when
right-clicking the very first node on PC - didn't happen on Mac).
A lot of
other minor bugs fixed

Thanks, but I'm already on version 5.2.0.6361.