Bub
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The most depressing 3 hours I ever spent ...
So today I had to go for 'Re-employment' training because I'm on extended unemployment and a fight almost broke out! Picture this, there's about 25 people in there and there's this skinhead looking guy who says, "Yeah, I tried to get a job working at a meat packing plant but I couldn't get hired because I have a record, but they hire illegal's all the time." Everyone get's quiet, then another guy across the room shouts out, "You're a ***king ****ole." The skinhead's face get's bright red and he starts shaking and I'm sitting there thinking, "Oh crap, here we go. One of these idiot's has a gun and we're all gonna die. Why didn't I bring mine?!" The guy sits there steaming and mumbling and rocking back and forth for 3 minutes and finally the instructor, who was this 60 year old woman who couldn't smash a fly, tells him to shut up or get out. THEN ... about an hour in she was telling everyone if they have a Verizon phone to make sure they don't have it set to pick up and instruct people to listen to hold music while Verizon tries to reach them because it pisses employers off. Then out of the blue one guy says, "You can't tell us what the hell to do with our own cell phones!" And the guy who called the skinhead a blanking blanking blurts out to the instructor, "You ***king **tch!" ... and she didn't do anything! She just let it go! The thing that struck me the most out of everything the instructor said though was, "You will never get a job again making any more than minimum wage and you'll be on and off unemployment the rest of your lives if you don't go to school and get a degree in something ... anything ... but you have to have a degree now. The days of just having a high school diploma are over whether we like it or not." Ain't that something for a state official to say that? I guess I've lived a pretty sheltered life. I've worked since I was 13, been in bands since 14, never had time for much of a social life. I've never been around people like I described above, but after listening to what I heard today, I felt like I was upstairs and now I have an entirely different outlook on a lot of people here. I actually met some of the most disliked people upstairs in person today. Let me tell you, these people are very real, they do exist, and it's not an act or an alter ego. This is actually how some people live their lives and act in public. It dawned on me that, this is why I struggle to get along with some of the people upstairs. I've always worked in a semi-corporate environment around educated people and always had to conduct myself in a specific manor. I never knew this side of society existed to this extent. I found myself crawling in my skin for 3 hours and I hated every second of it. I learned a lot about others and myself today, so I guess it wasn't a total loss. Had to vent a little, it's been a stressful afternoon. Doh! Sorry. So how was everyone else's day today? LOL
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Re:The most depressing 3 hours I ever spent ...
2011/02/17 19:27:07
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lol...sounds exciting bud...been there done that..hope things get better out there for ya...work will pick up soon im sure..its been slow everywhere even out here in boston..ive seen it like this far the last year and a half now...less and less clients. so i do these deals where i end up ripping myself off..today was great..taking a walk out side the studio slipped on ice and think i broke my arm..im typing this whole thing with one finger..hate e.r.'s..maybe go tommorowif it dont get better..like i said hope things look up out there...thanks for the laughs...great story.
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Re:The most depressing 3 hours I ever spent ...
2011/02/17 19:45:23
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Yep...I know that kind of thing..not nice when it happens ... I can see some of what she was saying but one has to know what it is they want to do...myself...I went into Personal Support Worker as I love to help people...it has been in me for a long time. My wife is disabled so I had to do a lot of things for the two of us. So when my job got downsized I found myself wallowing around in misery and anguish for a couple of years..I found this course through our City Spectrum pamphlet and went to the intro for it..did a session with one of our many employment programs...thankfully we seemed not to have people with miserable attitudes like those you ran into...and lo and behold...I came out with my PSW papers..and now..after 4 years in it am doing the QA work for the company I got involved with... I don't know what it is like where you are but i would definitely look for those educational programs that might help steer you in the right direction....
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Re:The most depressing 3 hours I ever spent ...
2011/02/17 19:51:08
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Bub... I feel your pain man. Yeah, these people do exist. we see them on TV every night throwing rocks, Molotov cocktails, and carrying protest signs demanding their rights, or protesting against having to pay for their own something or other... or work for a living. The worst part is they are teaching their kids this same bad behavior. I saw one group tonight that had their kids with them carrying signs. But they live closer than that. Some people that you think are friends are not. Just Monday, I posted on FB that I was blessed to have a wife and family that loves each other.... A guy who I thought was a friend.... I played in a bunch of bands with this guy for many years.... comes on and posts a really crude, over the top comment.... not a family friendly comment. So I deleted it. An hour later this guy is back.... HEY HERB WTF (not abreviated...and yeah posting in all caps) you think you're better than me...? Your a $%^#&ing a$$&*#@..... and on and on he went for 2 paragraphs..... so I deleted that comment as well, and went to bed. Next morning...Tuesday, I have SIX comments from this guy...all in caps...all containing the vilest of language. So I deleted them..... he was online and we had a little back and forth...I'm trying to keep my cool and this guy is blasting.... brings up his wife, (who died), telling me what a great wife she was and how much they loved each other*....and his kid (who his parents raised while he played in bar bands. On and on he went. I realized there was no getting through to him after he commented that if I was there "face to face" he would "teach me" what it was like to be in the kind of pain he had to deal with in his life..... I'm thinking....OK enough..... I deleted the posts and banned him. He's in pain alright, but it is a self inflicted pain. Nobody made him buy a 6-pack and get behind the wheel. He lost his license when the highway patrol pulled him. He lost his job, his marriage (2nd one), his kid is in prison, he's 58, unemployed, broke, and lives with his momma......and takes it out on me because I posted that I was blessed to have a wonderful family.... * about that great love.... he put her in the hospital several times when he caught her cheating or suspected her of it. She also caught him red-handed one night.... oh my...that was a real blowout and it happened in a club. In the time I played in the band with him, it was more common for them to be broke up than to be together. Every time they got back together I wondered how long it would last and how will it end this time? That time she caught him... that is one heck of a story.... maybe I'll start a "cheating spouse band member" thread to tell it...it's a doosey. So yeah Bub.... those people are out there and sometimes it will surprise you when you find out exactly who some of them are.
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Re:The most depressing 3 hours I ever spent ...
2011/02/17 20:16:26
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a lot of hate and pain in the world these days. Glad I'm on the way out and not on the way in.
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Re:The most depressing 3 hours I ever spent ...
2011/02/17 20:40:36
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There's a song somewhere in that story Bub. Mike
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Re:The most depressing 3 hours I ever spent ...
2011/02/17 21:09:50
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how does one get an avitar that moves like your meter...i swear im not high jacken this thread...someone p.m me...thanks
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Re:The most depressing 3 hours I ever spent ...
2011/02/17 21:27:59
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I enjoyed your write up there Bub, even if it was a crappy situation. I'm sure they make you go through this kind of thing so that you end up being grateful for the most menial dead end job they manage to find. I think being pro-active and creating our own opportunities is the only way forward these days, most western economies being down the pan it's come back full circle to staking out our own little claim and pioneering our own way forward it seems.
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Re:The most depressing 3 hours I ever spent ...
2011/02/17 21:30:17
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This is how I plan to spend my golden years:
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Re:The most depressing 3 hours I ever spent ...
2011/02/17 22:00:05
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Stories like those confirm why I remain self-employed. Even without health insurance, sick leave or paid holidays, at least I get to decide who I associate with. I can even tell a customer to take a hike if they're rude. That's satisfying. As you know, I've just returned from my annual trek to the Philippines. While not exactly a third-world country, it's poor by North American or European measures. Unemployment is high and most of those with work work their butts off for crap wages. There is no unemployment insurance. In the cities, traffic is unimaginably bad and you can cut the air with a knife. Half the families are broken, not by divorce but by family members working overseas, often mothers who leave their kids with dad or grandma for years at a time. But despite what we would consider a hard life, what you don't see there is the kind of spoiled-brat center-of-the-universe woe-is-me gimme-something-NOW f*ck you attitude so common in the more privileged countries. In fact, it's quite the opposite: people are generally happy! Every time I go there, I come back refreshed and rejuvenated. Every time, I try to figure out their secret, try to discern just what it is they know that we don't. But I can't explain it. I'm just grateful for the little bit of it that rubs off on me each time I go!
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:The most depressing 3 hours I ever spent ...
2011/02/17 22:09:13
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"Stories like those confirm why I remain self-employed." +100%
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Re:The most depressing 3 hours I ever spent ...
2011/02/17 23:13:39
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mike_mccue "Stories like those confirm why I remain self-employed." +100% +100% for me also!! Bub, take my advise...start your own business, work for yourself. Don't complain about there being no jobs...Create your own! Find someway to make something happen. This is America, do it! People think I'm a conservative when I talk this way, trust me I'm a Chicago Bred street rat, Die-hard Obama supporting Democrat. Don't go thru what you went thru again. Why work for someone else? All you are doing is making someone else rich. Otherwise you are not worth having on a payroll. Why put up with your life dependant on people's bad decisions? What jobs have you had in the past? Just do one of those free-lance. Until the latest economic downturn, for 15 years I worked 360 days a year, no vacations, sick pay, or paid holidays, just like Bitflipper. But i loved every minute. I'm not eligible for unemployment insurance 'cause guess what? I've made too much $$. I've been lucky, I've made a good living composing music for documentaries. But i've worked really hard at the craft and the business side. I've succeeded probably because I like what i do and i do it for myself. You need to find that career yourself and don't look back. GOOD LUCK!
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Re:The most depressing 3 hours I ever spent ...
2011/02/17 23:17:51
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good thread bud...x rays are negative..
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Re:The most depressing 3 hours I ever spent ...
2011/02/18 00:39:18
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Me too, Some people can be insane to deal with. I am self-employed as well & it is nice that I am a a point where I don't "need" every customer anymore, If they seam like a royal PITA or just mean & disrespectful I can tell em to pound sand & head down the road. I don't know where this sense of entitlement came from or started here in the states,but it seems to be growing like wild fire & it makes me sick. I work my can off for my family & for what I have, I pay my bills & my mortgage dispite I owe more than the house is worth. I signed the loan saying please let me borrow ths money & I WILL PAY IT BACK. That doesn't change because housing dropped. I am a man of my word. I take pride in my work, & our reputation, I take pride in that I now employ a few other people. These kind of virtues are still out there, but a whole hell of a lot less common than they once were! Sorry ya had a rough day Bub. Good thread.
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Re:The most depressing 3 hours I ever spent ...
2011/02/18 03:02:36
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I think I know exactly how you feel. It is very, very healthy to have to meet that kind of people occasionally. Knowing that there are (lots) of people like that helps you build a realistic picture of the world. I have also met many people who, like you said, haven't realised that these kind of people really exist (..to that extent). In my work I've met lots of short term season workers during the years and I think I've developed an eye to see which ones will make it in life. There are so many that lack the social skills that would help them to be taken seriously. There are SO much folks that (for different reasons) are not able to receive/understand the information rush around them. Most of what they see in the TV-news or read in newspapers is uncomprehensable to them and their understanding of causes and consequensies in politics and economy is very limited. And still most of them live as normal members of the society being able to take care of themselves. It's when things are not going well, that these people turn into time bombs. The most scary of all people are the ones who don't know that they don't know, and turm agressive. Like Churchill (I think it was he) stated: The strongest argument against democracy is a conversation with a citizen (I'm not sure I translated that right). In the future we'll get more and more aggressive, bitter, poorly "equipped" citizens, because life is getting harder and more heartless all the time. The parents are sucked dry just trying to make ends meet (or to meet the standards of the neighbourhood), and at the same time the media is presenting sick and unrealistic images of what "good life" is. Everyhing is designed to make an average kid go twisted. The poor are getting (relatively) poorer and the rich richer so fast that some H.G. Wells' visions start to feel very realistic. Sometimes I feel we're going back to the 1800's.
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