Anubis
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The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/10 18:06:17
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FWIW, If you're on a quest for the "Mother Of All Laptops", you need to keep looking... The true Mother Of All Laptops uses an i7-980 Extreme CPU (not the mobile variety)... and costs ~$4k+
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Anubis
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/10 18:20:29
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Obviously there are faster processors out there. But I was not limiting my criteria on just processor speed. Clearly at $1350 this notebook sports quite the package. The dual (7200)hard drives are a rare treat that is ideal for auido production. And the expresscard allows for other audio-specific requirements such as a TI chipset firewire card. And USB 3.0... icing on the cake.
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/10 18:34:36
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We just have different definitions of what "The Mother Of All Laptops" means... To me, that means the most powerful machine you can get. No doubt the feature list looks nice for a sub $1500 machine FWIW, If you haven't experienced the 720QM, I'd recommend checking it out in person... (Performance isn't as fast as the name might imply)
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Anubis
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/10 18:53:30
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Jim Roseberry FWIW, If you haven't experienced the 720QM, I'd recommend checking it out in person... (Performance isn't as fast as the name might imply) I've noticed that they idle @ 1.6GHz... and then the Turbo Boost kicks in when you need it. Sounds like a work in progress?
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jcschild
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/10 18:54:07
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dont expect it to work for firewire! even with an add on TI express card
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/10 19:21:58
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That was the case with an Acer laptop that I have. In fact while testing a Focusrite Saffire Pro 40 with the Laptop and a SIIG express card that had a TI chipset it "blue screened" and Zapped the Saffire Pro 40, which is now junk.
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Anubis
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/10 19:41:32
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jcschild dont expect it to work for firewire! even with an add on TI express card Why? That sucks. I was fearing my new Saffire Pro 24 was obsolete because of lack of native firewire support on (PC)notebooks. And then I felt relieved when I saw that some manufacturers are still at least providing expresscard. Does it have something to do with the PCIe bridge controller?
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jcschild
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/12 09:08:06
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yes and no things have only become worse with laptops it used to be just about the chipsets now it has more to do with the bios than anything even with a ricoh chipset i could at least get it to work @ 512 buffer not exactly low latency but at least it worked now you are lucky if your interface gets recognized and even if it does you will be having drop out issues etc due to high DPC. there is a whole host of issues its either buy an Apple (still not without issues) or buy a built for audio laptop
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/12 09:15:11
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Roland should commission a i7 lap top with working onboard firewire that we can all use... and let guys like Scott vend it too us. If the price point was $1500 or less I'd start making plans to buy one. I just bought a screaming laptop for $1k and it makes things like photo shop sizzle. I can't spend $2k+ on a dedicated laptop in this day and age but I sure want one.
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jcschild
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/12 10:48:36
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mike_mccue Roland should commission a i7 lap top with working onboard firewire that we can all use... well here is the issue with that idea all laptops are made by an ODM. in other words Apple Dell, HP etc do not make thier own laptops (asus does and builds for the others) there are about 9 ODM builders for all the brands of laptops. to order a custom laptop (redesign a shell or add hardware like asking for a TI based onboard firewire) minimum order 10,000 or more. some wont even talk to you unless its 100k trust me i looked into it. anyone want to go in with me on 10K laptops :-) thats only about 6 mil. (just for the shell)
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/12 11:07:48
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I understand the OEM relationship... that is why I am suggesting that a party with a stake in the game that has a fully functional international finance and distribution system come to the rescue. 10k may or may not fit into a company like Roland's scale of business... I don't know... but I can dream. In my fantasy world... someone like your self would sell them to us just as if they are Apples etc. best regards, mike
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/12 11:20:22
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mike_mccue ...that is why I am suggesting that a party with a stake in the game that has a fully functional international finance and distribution system come to the rescue. 10k may or may not fit into a company like Roland's scale of business... I don't know... but I can dream. I agree. I've noticed a trend towards laptops used as primary DAW's in recent years. I believe there would be a huge market for a branded notebook DAW on the Windows side of the planet. Even in other forums that used to be dominated my Mac users i see more and more Win lappies in the sigs.
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sandman5000
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/12 15:04:34
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or...forget all the hoop jumping forflaky and soon to be dead firewire and use agood USB interface instead.
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LixiSoft
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/12 18:22:24
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sandman5000 or...forget all the hoop jumping forflaky and soon to be dead firewire and use agood USB interface instead. I would love too.........would you please direct me to a USB interface than can record 24 inputs at one time Because that is what I do, record live shows, 24 to 26 mics at once, and mix FOH at the same time. Really please point me to a USB interface that can do that !!
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sandman5000
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/12 19:20:55
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LixiSoft sandman5000 or...forget all the hoop jumping forflaky and soon to be dead firewire and use agood USB interface instead. I would love too.........would you please direct me to a USB interface than can record 24 inputs at one time Because that is what I do, record live shows, 24 to 26 mics at once, and mix FOH at the same time. Really please point me to a USB interface that can do that !! http://www.rme-audio.de/e.products_fireface_uc.php Plus a digital mixer and go through ADAT and there you go. I was doing that years ago with a behringer ddx3216 and an rme HDSP 9652. loved that mixer , God bless it's cheaply made soul. the thing died on me, but I was able to record up to 32 channels at once with it.
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/12 19:37:21
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SORRY WRONG ANSWER..........only 16 inputs........I need 24 to 26. BTW, I have one, great interface, just not enough inputs . TRY AGAIN ?????
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/12 19:40:14
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Just to clarify at least 24 discreet inputs, please TRY AGAIN !!
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sandman5000
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/12 20:11:56
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man, I hate being made to work. Just bring a desktop, get a digital mixer like the behringer ddx3216 and use adat. Done deal man. Like I told you, I was doing that years ago. Or spend what you want for your very specific need. Take care. :)
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sandman5000
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/12 20:31:05
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BTW, do some more research at the rme site and find your answer yourself.... ;)
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/12 21:44:11
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Just bring a desktop? That's what we're all complaining about... I was doing that on my p4 laptop up til last year... and now I have to bring my desktop because the new screaming fast laptops can't do it.
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jcschild
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/13 09:23:30
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i can record 64 i/o on our cheapest laptop with an RME Madi! (same issues as firewire) USB interface the best one only does 18 ins (RME) (assuming you use the Spdif) so it can be done funny the same guy who says firewire works fine on all cheap laptops is saying go to USB as if something is actually wrong with firewire Err the laptops you try to attach to ... so which is it? ::shakes head:::
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/13 09:38:37
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He also says his agenda is too save us all money.... and cheerfully suggests I abandon $3k worth of firewire audio gear. Perhaps he doesn't know it, but I also run a $5k video deck that works with my $25k camera that both employ firewire. USB is not a cheap solution for some folks. Scott, can you tell us more about the Madi/laptop setup?
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/13 11:47:56
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I was just thinking the same thing--except the FW gear I have doesn't come to anywhere near that. The thing about an expresscard slot is that even if you get a USB audio device later on that you like there other uses for it. The BIOS thing is what I was wondering about with that Asus too. It is a lot better than the off-the-shelf ones I saw in my hunt a few months ago--but isn't that always the case?
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/13 12:11:28
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what?? you guys are a joke. I already said, for YOUR VERY SPECIALIZED needs, spend what you want. The problem is you guys start the sales pitch and try to steer people into what they really don't need. A guy says he wants to spends $600 tops, and it';s like no spend $3000 with my good buddy over here. What is that? That's good advice? Most people don't need to do that. And if you do, then i'd still rather put it in a rack mount case or even a lunchbox and use PCI and RME rather than flaky firewire and need to jump through all these hoops and expense, just to use firewire. That is ass backwards. Like I said, I was doing that years ago with a digital mixer and a smallish desktop and monitor. It was pretty portable and nice to have the faders and routing of a mixer. Very pro actually. And i didn't need to spend $3000 or more for it. I actually spent about $550 and got a ton if use from it. Still do, it's one of my little recording stations I leave set up at home. You guys think you own the definition of what pro is and then try to mock or put down anything else that isn't how some salesman told you it needs to be. LAME. You guys are stretching, but have fun.
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/13 12:33:47
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You are mistaken... my measly little bottom feeder $25k camera pales in comparison to the $110k cameras we operate at "work". One reason I want to keep on keeping on with a laptop is that I feel that cartage can take a frustratingly large chunk out of a small budget. You are mistaken to think that we are acting snobbish about this. best regards, mike
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/13 15:27:25
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Hey Mike, the Madi laptops are used for recording to a DigiCo or Yamaha console (or any console) with Madi. while you certainly could get all the I/O gear (like 2 RME MD32's) to actually give you 64 ins or a pair of SSL Alpha link SX at that point the laptop bcomes more a question of why, since you would have all that racked gear to begin with why not a racked system. most "mobile" people are 24 or less i was just pointing out that you can actually do 64 I/O live record now heavy editing of the same on said laptop.... kinda pushing it.
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/13 15:38:57
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Thanks Scott, One of these days I'll be on your doorstep with my wallet. best, mike Oh BTW, does the RME UC ADAT bus have any hidden gotchas the way my MOTO rig does? My MOTU ADAT output connection is attenuated -3dBFS and is late by 7 samples when I connect it to one of my other MOTU ADAT inputs. Is the RME doing it any better?
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/13 19:39:23
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all laptops are made by an ODM So where do people like jcschild find components to build customized laptops?
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Re:The mother of all (notebook)DAW's!
2010/07/14 04:35:31
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slartabartfast all laptops are made by an ODM So where do people like jcschild find components to build customized laptops? I believe (unless he changed, I don't really keep up) he resells clevo here is a little info I found w/a quick search: http://forum.notebookrevi...ad-before-posting.html
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