The next step - RME FF 400 with a Delta 1010lt....

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2011/06/18 17:10:00 (permalink)

The next step - RME FF 400 with a Delta 1010lt....

help me to understand something...

currently i use the delta as my I/O interface. quality is sucker a$$ fair. breakout cable has RCAs which i utilize.

If I were to buy a RME FF 400 to use primarily for signal in, getting the sound out to my monitors would still have to come from my Delta Pci card. right? Since the 400 does not come with any Pci card , it throws all signals through a firewire cable.

Am I to understand that Sonar 8 would recognize the 400 so I could select the proper input channel for my guitar coming in, and still use the Delta 1/2 channel for output to my monitors? Is this compatible? Is this proper?

I understand that the 400 is the preamp, it is the AD/DA converter, and pretty good ones at that. I dont need more than 2 channels in at one time, I am a solo artist, thus I simply overdub.

I just need help understanding the In's and outs....I hear the product is great but will it work for me?

Does this make sense?

Also, the firewire thing.. i have a port on the front of my DAW for firewire...also on the motherboard, not a card, on the rear panel...i read something about Texas instruments, maybe someone could clarify...

thx in advance..

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    Jim Roseberry
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    Re:The next step - RME FF 400 with a Delta 1010lt.... 2011/06/18 17:16:05 (permalink)
    Your Delta would not be necessary.
    The Fireface 400 is a Firewire audio interface.  Thus, it connects to a Firewire port (no additional PCI/e card necessary - unless your machine doesn't have a Firewire controller).
    For best performance, make sure to use a quality Texas Instruments chipset Firewire controller.
    The Fireface 400 is a significant step up quality wise.  
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    Re:The next step - RME FF 400 with a Delta 1010lt.... 2011/06/18 17:25:37 (permalink)
    well now im confused...(nothing new, hehe)

    I use the delta card as my main soundcard for the pc. i use my studio monitors for everything from youtube to games to sonar....i disabled and removed the junk pci express soundcard from the pc when i built it. so ... maybe i just dont get it.... but sound has to go out to the monitors from somewhere. and i only planned to use the 400 for good quality takes. nothing more...

    thus, the inputs on the delta would now become obsolete. but not the output feeding my speakers ..right?

    Rme 400 for in, delta for out


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    Re:The next step - RME FF 400 with a Delta 1010lt.... 2011/06/18 17:42:37 (permalink)
    I checked my device manager

    Under IEEE 1394 Bus Host Controllers

    ---VIA 1394 OHCI Compliant Host Controller

    I cannot find anything with Texas Instruments on it.

    Do i need a new firewire card then?

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    Re:The next step - RME FF 400 with a Delta 1010lt.... 2011/06/18 18:26:07 (permalink)
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    well now im confused...(nothing new, hehe)

    I use the delta card as my main soundcard for the pc. i use my studio monitors for everything from youtube to games to sonar....i disabled and removed the junk pci express soundcard from the pc when i built it. so ... maybe i just dont get it.... but sound has to go out to the monitors from somewhere. and i only planned to use the 400 for good quality takes. nothing more...

    thus, the inputs on the delta would now become obsolete. but not the output feeding my speakers ..right?

    Rme 400 for in, delta for out

    you're thinking in linear terms.  why do you think you can't use the RME for OUTPUT?  the RME has outputs too, right?  so whatever you've got plugged into the 1010, unplug it and plug it into the RME.  the RME is a full soundcard just like the 1010 is.  you certainly do not want to try to use the RME for INPUT and the 1010 for OUTPUT in sonar.  you'll get out of sync tracks!
     
    as far as your question about firewire - I would suggest that yes, you get a PCI firewire card with TI chipset on it.  what you're saying above is that you have a VIA onboard chipset and that probably won't work well with the RME.
     
    so buy a PCI/FIREWIRE card and replace the DELTA 1010 with the PCI/FIREWIRE CARD, move all of your inputs AND outputs to the RME and don't worry, be happy!

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    Re:The next step - RME FF 400 with a Delta 1010lt.... 2011/06/18 19:13:32 (permalink)
    Really? so this RME 400  is an external soundcard? basically...ran by firewire. speakers get hooked up into it on the rear panel ? ....  That setup you suggested, also suggests to me that anytime i want to watch anything on my pc via Youtube or any movies, or my hours upon hours of gaming online, i would have to turn on the 400 to hear sound....which is odd to me and thats why i though of using both. why power up a 1300 dollar device to hear sound on my computer when i have a working soundcard installed....... this is the conundrum...... only want the 400 for recording great quality with the converters. After I hit STOP from recording any takes...the RME 400 would become useless because the converting is done, the recording is done. Its on tape, in sonar. After that its just monitoring the many tracks at once....

    still very confused on this device... my DAW is a do everything machine. not dedicated to just music software.  thats why i dont understand the concept...

    I want to be able to record great tracks and not have to bother with turning on other devices to hear audio when i am not using sonar.  does that make sense?

    post edited by 7-string_guy - 2011/06/18 19:20:52

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    Re:The next step - RME FF 400 with a Delta 1010lt.... 2011/06/18 22:20:10 (permalink)
    You CAN leave the 1010 in and use that for computer gaming and video watching but if you try to use the RME for input and the 1010 for output while recording you will have sync problems because they don't use the same clock.  you're not using your soundcard just for the input, you use the input and output, or don't you monitor anything while you're recording?  and I mean ANYTHING?  if you run sound out to your speakers while you're recording - even the OTHER tracks, softsynths, Metromome, ANYTHING then you're using the the output.

    my daw is for everything as well.  I disabled my onboard soundcard and I use the MOTU external FIREWIRE device as my ONLY soundcard.

    but as I said if you want to use the 1010 for everything EXCEPT recording you can do that, BUT you MUST use the RME's outputs FOR recording.  DON'T try to use the 1010 and the RME at the same time in sonar - you'll screw up your project!

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    Re:The next step - RME FF 400 with a Delta 1010lt.... 2011/06/18 23:47:20 (permalink)
    I've used VIA cards w/ my FW stuff.  It usually works, but as beagle sez if you have any problems you'll do better w/ TI.

    Yea, it is a pain to turn on your main interface just to hear bleeps.  I've also always kept my internal sound card in and active for windows sounds, etc.  It can cause problems.  For me, something like Pyro (which I use) automatically finds the internal card (I guess it is listed 1st) and there is no way to change it short of registry.  which is ok - I use PYro for comping cds and other such "home" uses while Sound Forge is for pro use over my pro interface.  Still, something to consider.  As Beagle also sez two soundcards can also cause all kinds of mischief, but once you get everything arranged in SONAR and pointing toward your music card you probably won't have problems.  however, I've only used the cheapee on-board card.  Your situation may be different, but the RME is a good step up if you are serious about music.

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    Re:The next step - RME FF 400 with a Delta 1010lt.... 2011/06/19 20:14:40 (permalink)
    That solves it then....I have seen the light.....

    The onboard or PCI express cheepie sound card cant read 24bit or anything above 48000kz, that is why i disabled it. Sonar gave me a error window saying that it would have to default to 16bit just having the cheepie enabled....so i took care of that.

    I doubt that there will be an issue with having both the 1010 and the RME hooked up IRQ wise...asw windows is set to use Deltas 1/2 out for everything..

    Now for Sonar...I'll have no problems what so ever (in theory, i have not bought it yet)using both in's and outs of the RME while tracking. Simply move two cables and change the output under Master. but when im done tracking, i could go back to mixing on the delta card. since the ad/da conversion is done. The greater quality tracks will be saved in the project,  so thats that. I just did not want to have the RME powered up if it is not needed after the tracking.

    thanks guys...


     

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    Re:The next step - RME FF 400 with a Delta 1010lt.... 2011/06/19 21:07:35 (permalink)
    sounds like you got it figured out!

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    Re:The next step - RME FF 400 with a Delta 1010lt.... 2011/06/19 22:01:55 (permalink)
    Ya, you should get 3% from whoever i buy it from for the sell.  I had not even gave thought to the clock ordeal. that would have been a nightmare.

    one question though...I see the back panel has 1/4 ports as outputs...I'm sure I can assign channel 1 - Left and channel 2 - Right, correct? out to my monitors. probably with the software mixer it comes with..

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    Re:The next step - RME FF 400 with a Delta 1010lt.... 2011/06/19 22:03:36 (permalink)
    that shoud be the default, channel 1 = Left, channel 2 = right.

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    Re:The next step - RME FF 400 with a Delta 1010lt.... 2011/06/19 22:07:01 (permalink)
    Awesome Sauce

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    Re:The next step - RME FF 400 with a Delta 1010lt.... 2011/06/22 13:40:39 (permalink)
    Beagle


    sounds like you got it figured out!

    Now.... can anyone figure out me?


    Please?


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