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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/10/12 02:07:26 (permalink)
So the new span doesnt seem to have the same settings...

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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/10/12 11:28:55 (permalink)
Yeh, I should re-do these examples with the new SPAN. But although I do use the new SPAN for its "mastering" mode, I still revert to the original SPAN for checking track EQs. Unfortunately, I don't know of any source for obtaining the old SPAN.


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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/10/12 11:53:54 (permalink)
That would be awesome if you could do it again with the new SPAN...

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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/10/12 16:55:58 (permalink)
would be great cuz i cant find the old span anywhere-

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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/10/13 21:12:53 (permalink)
Ok so all corners 4 corners are covered floor to ceiling
Room = 13X20X8.5 feet
Here is a reading using radio shack spl meter mic

I have 12 more traps to install, 4 clouds and 2 panels per wall to be placed vertically mid wall



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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/10/14 22:58:59 (permalink)
Wow, after all traps up, mackies turned right sie up (how mackie recopmmends, and then moving the meter a little back and forth towards speakers, I got a frequency response Im happy with and feel like the HOURS (20 plus) of work on this bass trap project was worh it!

check out the final response:





Here some trap shots:

Back to the Haus with Knauf!



One Panel pre covered




Notice above I used cardboard tabs and string to get the panels to stay put under the clioth - i did this especially because the material I got (which breaths better than burlap) is stretchy and also it was $1.50/yard instead of $4.50/yard the black burllap was, but the material is quite stong) - love downtown L.A. bargains-

Cleo, the great dane sweetheart kept me company some



Getting there!



A pile of hard work that paid off!





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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/10/14 23:01:37 (permalink)
I must say, Im happy with the graph I see, and furthermore, I can hear the stereo spectrum very nicely and also the sound is a lot more detailed, like I hear a lot more "texture" if you will-

Plus the studio looks COOL!
Ill have to get a good camera to take shots of the studio because my phone cam has nop flash and doesnt work well-

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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/10/14 23:12:38 (permalink)
Great job!  The thing I noticed most after installing treatment was that the sound seemed so much more focused than before I treated my room.

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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/10/14 23:27:03 (permalink)
Thanx bro yeah me too! Way more focused. Good way to describe it. It tripped me out in a good way haha

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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/10/15 13:20:45 (permalink)
Cleo looks a bit skeptical. Like "dude, the sun is shining and we could be doing something a lot more fun than hanging up spun glass".

That graph does look pretty good. I think if you can get within a 6db variance you're doing exceptionally well, as good as most professional spaces. You're there except for that 180Hz resonance. You might run Ethan's stepped-sine test to zero in on the exact range of frequencies and then work backward to calculate the wavelengths that are most likely contributing. Once you know the physical dimension, you can probably guess which parallel surface (or combination of surfaces) is causing it.


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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/10/22 02:03:53 (permalink)
Well I got another cabinet like the one I have in the studio. They are both really big and have lots of stuff in them, so they do help with bass of course.

Well they are both against the wall approximately directly behind the speakers now, and as you can see below, that 180 resonance has tamed down. The average looks to be at about 37 on this reading and nothing seems to be more than about 6 db, so I guess I'm getting in that pro studio status! hehe

Cool thing is, the cabinets look greta where they are at too lol

To Bitflipper: Yeah Cleo was like come on dude, what is this crap! hahaha



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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/11/02 09:23:35 (permalink)
Wow.


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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/11/02 13:35:32 (permalink)
lol wow!

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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/11/02 20:12:18 (permalink)
What's up with the umbrella?  Is that for photographic diffusion?

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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/11/03 01:21:33 (permalink)
haha it has a multi colored light in it. The pics dont show how it looks in here. The vibe is low lighting way cool haha

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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/11/03 01:29:58 (permalink)
Better idea of how my umbrella light works at night in the studio- this pic still doesnt do it justice haha



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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/11/03 11:00:05 (permalink)
Great job Lance! Did you manage to find the old version of SPAN somewhere? If not, what's the best way to configure the new one when using it as an RTA?

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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/11/03 12:05:36 (permalink)
just used the old one lol thanx!
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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/11/03 19:40:04 (permalink)
Very nice.  But, where's the lava lamp? 

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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/11/03 20:23:43 (permalink)
i gave you 24 hours to say that haha
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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/11/06 09:36:23 (permalink)
Thanks again bit for sending the old version of SPAN. This is my control room after treatment (couldn't be bothered taking it all down to do a comparison!) and without IK's ARC activated. Mic used was a Blue Kiwi in omni:




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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/11/06 09:37:43 (permalink)
This is the room with ARC engaged:


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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/11/06 10:02:29 (permalink)
Is this right?!! Surely I haven't been able to create such a neutral sounding room using mainly DIY room treatments?

Either way, ARC seems to be doing a pretty sterling job...

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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/11/06 13:26:53 (permalink)
Even without ARC, that's a very respectable response with only 6db or less variance from the mean. That's pro-level quality all by itself. And the best part about fixing it acoustically rather than with EQ is that the improvement applies to most of the room, not just to the sweet spot.

The next step would be a waterfall plot, which shows you things that a simple RTA cannot. Specifically, it shows you the effect of modal ringing on reverberation decay times. Get a copy of the Room EQ Wizard if you don't already have it. It's free and easy to use, and if nothing else will generate a pretty picture you can hang up in your studio as a conversation piece.


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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/11/06 13:46:17 (permalink)
+++1  BIT, you should show us a picture of your studio before and after. 


Lance that was a ton of work but looks awesome !
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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/11/06 20:27:52 (permalink)

...you should show us a picture of your studio before and after.

Unfortunately, all my before pictures were lost when I replaced a disk drive. You don't think about backing up those kinds of things. Suffice it to say they were as awful as any I've seen posted here or elsewhere.

My room is still not ideal and always will be, due to the size and layout of the space. I've resisted adding any more absorption because I feel that with RT60's currently around 400ms, additional absorption might well make the room overly dead.

But as long as I'm within 6db of the mean I'm happy. Here's a recent snapshot:


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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/11/06 20:49:15 (permalink)
I recently took measurements in my "vocal booth", actually an improvised space enclosed on 5 sides by 2'x6'x3" 703 panels. There is a window on one side of the space, and although it's covered by 2 inches of 703 I was concerned it might be causing comb filtering.

In the picture below you can see a sequence of regularly-spaced dips starting at 1.6KHz that might indeed suggest comb filtering. This measurement was taken with Room EQ Wizard.

Overall, I was pretty pleased with the results, which show that aside from a significant peak at 600Hz, it's a pretty flat space. I've gotten excellent results recording vocals in that cubicle. (My own vocals still suck, but I've recorded good singers in there, too, and they sounded great.)




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Re: RE: The poor man's RTA 2010/11/07 05:51:26 (permalink)
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Even without ARC, that's a very respectable response with only 6db or less variance from the mean. That's pro-level quality all by itself. And the best part about fixing it acoustically rather than with EQ is that the improvement applies to most of the room, not just to the sweet spot.

The next step would be a waterfall plot, which shows you things that a simple RTA cannot. Specifically, it shows you the effect of modal ringing on reverberation decay times. Get a copy of the Room EQ Wizard if you don't already have it. It's free and easy to use, and if nothing else will generate a pretty picture you can hang up in your studio as a conversation piece.

Yes, I was surprised by how good the plot was, which is why I didn't quite believe it - I've redone the test several times, and with the same results each test, I'm starting to think that I really did fluke it! I'll definitely check out Room EQ Wizard.

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