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2017/03/18 06:37:39 (permalink)

The predictability of the Steam forums.

The threads are always so predictiable.

Hardware related issues end in insults.

 There's always someone who says the hardware isn't.

 Next is the gamer with boutique hardware who say they aren't having issues. Making their specs known. That's always productive. It's like saying my dick is bigger than yours. (who cares?)

 Next is the boutique gamer who says your hardware is never good enough.  

 As for FPS if it doesn't stutter does it matter that much?
 
Imagine if DAW forums were like that.  So few responses are "replace the hardware".  I use to see that in Tascam's Giga forums from people who most likely sent their computer to a shop to update a BIOS.  I do see some immaturity like that on the Image Line forums once in a while.
 
 Meanwhile game development is becoming worse. 50GB of lameness while classics like Splinter Cell and Ghost Recon 2 came on CDs.  The new GTA and CoD still on modest systems and they rake in the sales. 
 
 If gaming wasn't an addiction a lot of developers would be in trouble because half assed development is unforgivable outside the gaming world.  I their perfect world everyone would be using consoles but the PC is by far the #1 gaming platform.
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: The predictability of the Steam forums. 2017/03/18 07:26:58 (permalink)
n00bz <> 1337!

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Re: The predictability of the Steam forums. 2017/03/18 08:15:42 (permalink)
Perhaps they're just.... letting off.... some....
 
 
 

 

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Re: The predictability of the Steam forums. 2017/03/18 13:38:10 (permalink)
When games contain fully uncompressed audio files filling 30 Gb+ of data, when converting those audio files to a standard which would take up even 3 Gb without any humanely perceptible loss in audio quality, and everyone thinks this is a good thing just makes me want to slap the stupid out of the world.

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Re: The predictability of the Steam forums. 2017/03/18 13:48:12 (permalink)
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Perhaps they're just.... letting off.... some....
 
 
 

 





And getting a bit
 


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Re: The predictability of the Steam forums. 2017/03/18 14:07:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2017/03/18 17:34:17
You obviously weren't around the Guitar Tracks forum about 10 years ago, when a certain user couldn't quite grasp the concept that his Realtek soundcard wasn't up to the task of recording.

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Re: The predictability of the Steam forums. 2017/03/18 15:50:39 (permalink)
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You obviously weren't around the Guitar Tracks forum about 10 years ago, when a certain user couldn't quite grasp the concept that his Realtek soundcard wasn't up to the task of recording.




Didn't we have a similar tool (or maybe the same guy?) here talking about SoundBlasters a few years ago? 
 
I still remember paying an insane amount for a Turtle Beach soundcard because it had full MIDI which is what Cakewalk v1.0 required! 

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Re: The predictability of the Steam forums. 2017/03/18 17:35:37 (permalink)
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You obviously weren't around the Guitar Tracks forum about 10 years ago, when a certain user couldn't quite grasp the concept that his Realtek soundcard wasn't up to the task of recording.






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Re: The predictability of the Steam forums. 2017/03/18 19:43:50 (permalink)
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When games contain fully uncompressed audio files filling 30 Gb+ of data, when converting those audio files to a standard which would take up even 3 Gb without any humanely perceptible loss in audio quality, and everyone thinks this is a good thing just makes me want to slap the stupid out of the world.




It's actually the video files that take up the space.  Developers are clueless on game optimization. 

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Re: The predictability of the Steam forums. 2017/03/18 21:38:31 (permalink)
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You obviously weren't around the Guitar Tracks forum about 10 years ago, when a certain user couldn't quite grasp the concept that his Realtek soundcard wasn't up to the task of recording.




Recently I had and sold a X-Fi Titanium HD when I bought my current expensive motherboard and thought the onboard sound would be good enough .... Whist completely forgetting about recording and needing asio. I wanted to get the Soundblaster ZXR, but it uses two cards with its daughter board and I only had room for one due to using SLI, so I just got the base Z version. Still turns out that the audio quality is even better than my previous Titanium HD was. As long as its good enough for recording piano and vocals, thats all I needed, but I also just got hooked to gaming again and havnt worked on my pieces all this last week, I hate my lack of motivation.

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Re: The predictability of the Steam forums. 2017/03/18 22:07:32 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2017/03/18 23:06:20
I've had this great self-help program on motivation for years, but I haven't gotten around to using it yet... 

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Re: The predictability of the Steam forums. 2017/03/19 00:11:36 (permalink)
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 As for FPS if it doesn't stutter does it matter that much?


Since motion picture and video technology works at 25-30 frames per second and that's sufficient to look smooth then chasing many times that number of frames per second has always struck me as pointless. Put another way, I can't tell 50fps from 120fps. I'd rather have a frame rate that looks smooth and more detail than trade off detail for a higher fps that makes no practical difference.

The light detecting cells in the human retina have an 'exposure time', basically how long an image is retained, of around 1/15 of a second, so anything where a frame lasts much less than that is going to look smooth. Some Manga manages to look pretty smooth at 10fps...

You forgot a couple of other stock responses -

"Your psu isn't big enough, you need at least a 1KW supply" offered as a response to any and all posts about any issue whatsoever that might conceivably be in any way hardware related, and

"SSDs use lots of power, over 200Watts each - so you need a huge psu to use one". (repeatedly posted by a couple of local 'forum gods' on one forum in response to any questions about SSDs - eventually one admitted he'd read the specs on Crucial's website wrong and was out by a factor of, well, a very huge amount).

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Re: The predictability of the Steam forums. 2017/03/19 01:15:13 (permalink)
Actually, comparing the FPS of a movie to a game doesn't really work.  The main issue is motion blur.  In a movie you're probably so busy watching the story as a whole that you don't even notice this but, playing a game where you're usually concentrating on a tiny area it becomes very noticeable at frame rates below 30 fps and somewhat between 30 fps and 60 fps.  This is why people shoot for 60 fps.  Your eye dithers between 60 and 90 Hz (cycles per second) to determine motion.  A pigeon, for example, has a much higher rate between 90 Hz and 100 Hz so they would see our games (and, especially, our movies) as a slide show.
 
This is also why your computer monitor is designed to refresh at 60 Hz or better.  Just look at a cheaper (or older) monitor while chewing gum or when video taping it and you'll see the flicker.  I know that lower refresh rates can give me eye strain and a headache after a while!

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Re: The predictability of the Steam forums. 2017/03/21 01:15:29 (permalink)
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You obviously weren't around the Guitar Tracks forum about 10 years ago, when a certain user couldn't quite grasp the concept that his Realtek soundcard wasn't up to the task of recording.




 That still exists today. I've read were so many fork out the money for a PC build and go cheap on a card. They don't understand that you wont get RME performance out of an iTrack Solo.

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