[Fixed in 2015 (Dorchester)] "Busy" message appears in the track header and won't go away

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[Fixed in 2015 (Dorchester)] "Busy" message appears in the track header and won't go away


I mentioned this problem in another thread and got some help, but still can't solve it. So I decided to give it its own thread.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2831237

To make it easier to identify the cause, I did this simple test today:

1. Closed all programs except for Notepad (to make notes :))
2. Launched Sonar and opened a project using the Blank project template.
3. Inserted one audio track and one stereo bus, and changed the bus name from [Bus A] to [Master].
4. Selected "Left Quad-Capture 1-2" from the audio track's Input pull-down and "Master" from the Output pull-down.
5. Turned on Input Echo, Record Arm and metronome.
6. Recorded an 8 measure-long guitar phrase. The name "Record 1" appeared in the track header.
7. Played back the recorded clip. No problem (both the sound and waveforms).
8. Saved the project. 

After the project was saved, the "Busy" message appeared at the end of the clip name.
I can still see the waveforms and hear the guitar without problem. I don't know why this message has to appear.

I added another audio track and recorded another audio clip, choosing "Stereo Quad-Capture 1-2" from the Output field this time (instead of "Master"). And this time, the Busy message appeared after I reopened the project.

Anything I should have done before recording?

Thanks
post edited by icontakt - 2015/05/01 09:05:52

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    FastBikerBoy
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    Re:The "Busy" message appears in the track header and won't go away 2013/05/19 04:53:13 (permalink)
    Just a thought. Try deleting all the files in your picture cache. The default location IIRC is C:\Cakewalk Projects
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    Re:The "Busy" message appears in the track header and won't go away 2013/05/19 08:49:09 (permalink)
    If I delete all the files in the Picture Cache folder and launch Sonar and open the test project, the "Busy" message disappears. But, then if I exit Sonar (without doing anything to the project) and launch it and open the project again, the message comes back.

    I normally use Sonar with "Share Drivers with Other Programs" disabled. I don't know if that's the recommended setting, but now I enabled it and it didn't fix the problem either.

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    Re:The "Busy" message appears in the track header and won't go away 2013/05/19 14:24:28 (permalink)
    Don't know about Essentials, but in my X2 Professional, when I load the default blank template, a "Master" bus is created as part of the template... Stupid question, but are you adding a second Master bus? If so, it may be part of the problem...?

    Rob


    EDIT: OK, after thinking about this, does the "blank" template not include any busses at all?  Not in front of my machine, so I don't remember.  Another thing you might try is loading the "Normal" template and let SONAR set up your Master bus...


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    Re:The "Busy" message appears in the track header and won't go away 2013/05/20 08:07:53 (permalink)
    rcrees

    does the "blank" template not include any busses at all?  Not in front of my machine, so I don't remember.  Another thing you might try is loading the "Normal" template and let SONAR set up your Master bus... 
    That's right, the Blank template includes no tracks/buses at all.
    I just ran the same test using the Normal template, but again, the "Busy" message appeared after I saved and reopened the project. I'm so mystified by this...


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    Re:The "Busy" message appears in the track header and won't go away 2013/05/20 08:46:39 (permalink)
    Have you verified the playback and record timing masters in Edit > Preferences > Driver Settings are defined correctly?
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    Re:The "Busy" message appears in the track header and won't go away 2013/05/20 09:15:43 (permalink)
    This is what I found on the site.

    Optimized picture cache redrawing
    There are several options in the .ini files to speed up picture cache redrawing The biggest improvement will be seen on machines with multiple processors. Parallel processing can yield a significant boost in performance.
    There is also an option in the Associated Audio Files dialog box to selectively redraw waveforms for individual clips that may have a corrupt waveform display (see To redraw waveforms).
    .INI file picture cache options
    3 new INI file variables that are used by picture cache generation and display:

    In Aud.ini:

    In the [Aud] section:
    EnablePicCacheThreads=1 (default)
    This option creates extra background worker threads for the generation of wave pictures when you load a project. One worker thread is automatically created per CPU/core. Setting EnablePicCacheThreads=0 reverts back to only using a single thread for picture computation.
    If you are running a system with multiple CPU's or cores setting this to 1 can greatly speed up the computation of pictures.
    Notes:
    -These threads are only active while the picture is being computed.
    -This option is only applicable on multiprocessor/multicore systems.
    Also in the [Aud] section:
    ComputePicturesWhilePlaying=1 (default)
    This option allows waveform pictures to be computed in the background while audio playback is in progress. Most modern computers should be able to handle this load with no problems. Note that work is only done while new pictures are actually being computed—once the pictures are finished rendering there is no overhead.

    In Cakewalk.ini:

    In the [WinCake] section:
    ProgressiveWavePictures=1 [default]
    This option enables progressive display of waveform pictures. When enabled you will see pictures being displayed in the clips view dynamically as they are being computed. The waveforms will update in the background when the application is idle. If the ComputePicturesWhilePlaying flag is set to 1, waveforms will continue being displayed progressively even while audio playback is in progress. This can save time waiting for a complete picture to be finished before you can see it.
    To redraw waveforms
    1.
    Select the clips that you want to redraw.

    2.
    Right-click a selected clip, and choose Associated Audio Files on the pop-up menu to open the Associated Audio Files dialog box.

    3.
    Click the Recompute Picture(s) button. A dialog box appears, asking if you want to recompute the pictures on the selected clips.

    4.
    Click OK.


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    Re:The "Busy" message appears in the track header and won't go away 2013/05/21 08:37:09 (permalink)
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    Have you verified the playback and record timing masters in Edit > Preferences > Driver Settings are defined correctly?

    Yes, the both timing masters are displaying "Quad-Capture 1-2."
    I deselected Quad-Capture from all options in Preferences and restarted Sonar and re-selected the device, but the Busy message still recurs.


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    Re:The "Busy" message appears in the track header and won't go away 2013/05/21 08:38:46 (permalink)
    cowboydan


    This is what I found on the site.

    Thanks. I think I didn't find this when I did a search myself.
    But, in my case, the waveforms are fully displayed and the clip plays fine, so these options probably won't fix the problem (the recurring Busy message).


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    Re:The "Busy" message appears in the track header and won't go away 2013/05/21 09:07:51 (permalink)
    Might help if you were running Windows 7 64-bit instead of 32-bit. 

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    Re:The "Busy" message appears in the track header and won't go away 2013/05/21 09:10:51 (permalink)
    daveny5


    Might help if you were running Windows 7 64-bit instead of 32-bit. 
    Yep. But I can't afford to buy a new pc.
    Guess it's time to contact tech support...



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    Re:The "Busy" message appears in the track header and won't go away 2013/05/21 09:22:05 (permalink)
    Yep. But I can't afford to buy a new pc.



    I believe that HP is a 64-bit computer so you just need to install the 64-bit version of Windows 7. Of course you'd have to backup and restore and reinstall all of your apps too. 

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    Re:The "Busy" message appears in the track header and won't go away 2013/05/21 10:15:46 (permalink)
    daveny5

    I believe that HP is a 64-bit computer so you just need to install the 64-bit version of Windows 7. Of course you'd have to backup and restore and reinstall all of your apps too.  

    That may be true, but I prefer to stay 32bit for a while because everything is working great (except for a couple of minor issues) and I may experience different kinds of issues by installing the 64bit OS. Also, there's no guarantee that it will fix this Busy issue.
    But I appreciate your suggestion. Thanks. :)



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    Re:The "Busy" message appears in the track header and won't go away 2013/05/21 13:22:54 (permalink)
    Couple of things..... first there's nothing to fear from x64 bit. I've been totally x64 since V7with no major isssues. Second I doubt it'll fix the "Busy" issue either.
     
    Are you sure there's no busses or anything ouputting to a "dead end" out. I can re-produce this but only by setting an output to a non-existant harware out. i.e. an output on my interface that doesn't have a direct out. By that I mean it can't be heard without re-routing
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    Re:The "Busy" message appears in the track header and won't go away 2013/05/21 15:55:17 (permalink)
    Also re: 64-bit... in 32-bit Windows your computer can only use 3GB of memory. With 64 bit the limit is 16 GB with Win 7 Home and 256GB with Win 7 or 8 Pro. Makes a big difference with memory intensive programs like Sonar. 

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    Re:The "Busy" message appears in the track header and won't go away 2013/05/22 08:31:04 (permalink)
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    Are you sure there's no busses or anything ouputting to a "dead end" out. I can re-produce this but only by setting an output to a non-existant harware out. i.e. an output on my interface that doesn't have a direct out. By that I mean it can't be heard without re-routing 

    Karl, I put ALL I did in my first post. And I also did the same test using a different project template (Normal template), only to produce the same result.
    Maybe Cake knows how to stop "Busy" from being displayed EVEN when the waveforms are indeed in the busy state.
    I don't need Sonar to tell me it's busy because if I see no waveforms in the clip I'll just perform the "Recompute Picture(s)" command.
    I see waveforms fine, I hear the sound fine. All I need is the "Busy" to disappear (just because I don't want to see it in all audio clips).


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    Re:The "Busy" message appears in the track header and won't go away 2013/05/22 08:34:53 (permalink)
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    Also re: 64-bit... in 32-bit Windows your computer can only use 3GB of memory. With 64 bit the limit is 16 GB with Win 7 Home and 256GB with Win 7 or 8 Pro. Makes a big difference with memory intensive programs like Sonar. 

    I know what you mean, Dave. But the thing is, I definitely would have to pay for additional memory and the 64bit OS.
    Will the VST loading time become less than half if I upgrade to 64bit? If so, I might seriously considering it because that's the only thing I'm not happy with at the moment (but bearable).
    Also, when I was buying this laptop, I was already interested in 64bit OS but there was no 64bit option in the OS pull-down menu on the purchase page. There was a different line of hp laptops that offered 64bit OS, but they were far more expensive so I chose this laptop with 4GB memory.
    As I said, I'm quite happy with my current setup, and prefer not to spend time on reinstalling everything. I did a clean OS reinstall in February and it wasn't easy. My time for music per week is very limited so I really want to go on with this system. Please let me make music. 



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    Re:The "Busy" message appears in the track header and won't go away 2013/05/22 11:28:04 (permalink)
    What drive you have your picture cache installed on? It should be in c:\Cakewalk Projects\Picture Cache. How much available space do you have on that drive? 

    What bit depth and sample rate are you using?  

    Also, make sure your Quad Capture is connected and activated when in Sonar. You may want to try an uninstall/re-install of the drivers for it. 



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    Re:The "Busy" message appears in the track header and won't go away 2013/05/22 11:32:18 (permalink)
    Not sure if this helps, but the only time I see the "busy" message in tracks is after I have recorded an audio track on my old P4 Laptop. It's specs are ages behind the times but it's all I have right now for a mobile rig and it works OK. 

    But that is the one thing that is a noticeable difference between it and my W7 64 bit machine.
    With the 64 bit machine - 2 seconds and the busy thing is gone.  
    With the XP 32 bit laptop , the busy stays for more than a minute depending on track count and length of song. 

    If you scroll towards the end of the song you will see all the wave forms are blank and slowly being drawn while this is happening. 
    But it eventually is happy. I'm sure if I deleted the picture cache it would repeat this slow process again. 

    PS, you will see a big improvement overall if you go 64 bit.  I sure did. 

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    Re:The "Busy" message appears in the track header and won't go away 2013/05/22 19:05:32 (permalink)
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    What drive you have your picture cache installed on? It should be in c:\Cakewalk Projects\Picture Cache. How much available space do you have on that drive? 

    What bit depth and sample rate are you using?  

    Also, make sure your Quad Capture is connected and activated when in Sonar. You may want to try an uninstall/re-install of the drivers for it. 

    I have partitioned my hard drive into three drives and they're basically configured like this:

    C: OS and applications (Sonar is here)
    D: Library Content (Cakewalk Content is here)
    E: Other files, including those I create and save (Cakewalk Projects, which contains Picture Cache, is here) [Available space: 8.84GB]

    Quad Capture is always connected and activated when in Sonar. I even disconnected it and reconnected it a few days ago but it didn't help.
    Also, I have recorded a couple of full-length songs in Studio One and have absolutely no problem.
    Will consider driver re-install.

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    Re:The "Busy" message appears in the track header and won't go away 2015/01/06 13:46:40 (permalink)
    This seems to be an old thread but I just came across it because I am having the exact same scenario on my new install of SonarX3 64 bit on my HP Pavilion Windows 8.1 64 bit machine. (540 Gig HD free space with 8 Gig Ram)
     
    the busy message refuses to stay away. I remove it but it always comes back.
     
    Thing is it doesn't seem to cause any problems. It's just that I know it shouldn't be there.
     
    I checked the Aud.ini & I have those set as suggested. One thing I did notice is that the Cakewalk.ini file appears to be completely empty.
     
     
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