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The world has not ended
I'm seeing a lot of angst about the loss of further Sonar development. For the near future we can still use Sonar as is and nothing has changed for us end users in that regard. In the long run there are many alternatives we can go to if we wish. Right now I'm seeing a few offers that will ease the cost of moving on to another DAW. Keep an eye out for all possible offers and stay positive.
In the meantime this forum will stay up at least for awhile and as a community we can help each other get through this just as we have in the past with other changes.
I have been honored to be a member of this forum and one of the hosts. I intend to do my duty as a host for as long as this forum is up. When it does stop I will miss each and every one of you. I hope that we will meet again in another DAW's forum.
Keep in mind that as long as you have a working copy of Sonar Platinum you will be good to go using it. All your work can be transfered over to another DAW when it is time to do so. I may be of some help in helping with that.
Here is to all of you with my best wishes.
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 00:34:43
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Thanks John, I signed up for the other forums but I will stay here until the lights go out. I will also use Sonar until it is no longer possible, I will do everything I can to keep it going and share any tips with others to do so.
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 00:38:21
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Hi John,
I can't speak for anyone else, but my only real concern is the ability to use what I bought, paid for and was promised until I choose not to use it of my own volition.
But I do understand where you're coming from. The longer Gibson keeps us all in the dark though as to their intentions, the worse it'll likely get.
Best,
Steve
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 00:39:39
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☄ Helpfulby mmarton 2017/11/24 03:30:04
I was shocked and upset, but the bottom line is it's about the music, and I can always learn another tool if I have to.
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 00:44:31
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Cactus Music
Thanks John, I signed up for the other forums but I will stay here until the lights go out. I will also use Sonar until it is no longer possible, I will do everything I can to keep it going and share any tips with others to do so.
Those are my plans, too. I've been using Cakewalk and Sonar for a long, long time, but I only became directly involved in the forums a couple years ago. But in that time I've become very attached to this community and its broad and highly entertaining collection of personalities. :) I've also been offered all sorts of great help solving problems and coping with the challenges of making music in the digital age, and I want to offer back as much as I can in the time remaining, however long it is...
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 00:50:57
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Hello John,
No the world has not ended but for some of us, I'm a Viet Nam Vet, so that tells you about how old I am. after almost 3 decades with Cakewalk, learning a new program is really not so easy for me.
Just a home studio but I do truly enjoy it.
AS mentioned above we have no idea what Gibson will do.
So, yes, I am a bit saddened. Like you, I think, I was at the other forums long ago. Where Dave Mod, Susan G. and Glennbo were for just a few. Long time Buddy.
The date on my user name is only accurate for THIS user name.
Anyway, Glad your sticking around. You have been a great help to many of us....Thanks.......
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 01:11:52
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townstra
I was shocked and upset, but the bottom line is it's about the music, and I can always learn another tool if I have to.
That is exactly the kind of view I expect from our members.
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 01:14:49
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stratman70
Hello John,
No the world has not ended but for some of us, I'm a Viet Nam Vet, so that tells you about how old I am. after almost 3 decades with Cakewalk, learning a new program is really not so easy for me.
Just a home studio but I do truly enjoy it.
AS mentioned above we have no idea what Gibson will do.
So, yes, I am a bit saddened. Like you, I think, I was at the other forums long ago. Where Dave Mod, Susan G. and Glennbo were for just a few. Long time Buddy.
The date on my user name is only accurate for THIS user name.
Anyway, Glad your sticking around. You have been a great help to many of us....Thanks.......
I too am a Viet Nam vet 25th Div. Welcome Home Brother. I am with you as long as you want me to be.
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 01:18:53
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Hi John,
I can't speak for anyone else, but my only real concern is the ability to use what I bought, paid for and was promised until I choose not to use it of my own volition.
But I do understand where you're coming from. The longer Gibson keeps us all in the dark though as to their intentions, the worse it'll likely get.
Best,
Steve
Steve I have to agree with you. They need to talk to us. CW has no control over anything now and hasn't for awhile now.
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 01:23:02
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Hi John,
you know how I feel about you.
your A+ in my book and always have been. Im not sure I respect anyone else more on this forum than you.
You were one of the first to greet me here when I joined and you'll probably be the last to log off :-)
Im with you. Im going to continue to use Sonar until the doors fall off.
Though I am considering it, I'm not sure I have a use to buy another DAW right now.
Unless technology advances to the point Sonar can not/will not do something for me, I will use it for my projects.
I have come to accustomed to Region FX using Melodyne.
It saves resources in a way no other DAW can. Drum replacer and Vocal synch as well.
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 01:26:27
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Right back at ya John and I remember.................................Thanks as Always......
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 01:39:30
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chuckebaby
Hi John,
you know how I feel about you.
your A+ in my book and always have been. Im not sure I respect anyone else more on this forum than you.
You were one of the first to greet me here when I joined and you'll probably be the last to log off :-)
Im with you. Im going to continue to use Sonar until the doors fall off.
Though I am considering it, I'm not sure I have a use to buy another DAW right now.
Unless technology advances to the point Sonar can not/will not do something for me, I will use it for my projects.
I have come to accustomed to Region FX using Melodyne.
It saves resources in a way no other DAW can. Drum replacer and Vocal synch as well.
I am with you Chuck. I really appreciate your friendship. I have been a long time user of nearly all DAWs. Or have at least tried them all. With the Apple Logic situation from years back I learned to adjust to being cut off. Heck I still had Cakewalk and relied on it a lot back then. Yet I wanted what Logic had so I bought Cubase SX1. I kept with it until Cubase came to Cubase 4. I didn't upgrade. Now I am looking forward to Cubase 9.5. I already have Mixbus and Studio One 3 as well as Samplitude. I'm not worried about the future. I have been here before and can perhaps help with the transition. I'm also sure many others have a great deal of knowledge about how to make the leap. As long as you have the audio and or the MIDI you will be OK. CW has been my home for a very long time but I am old enough to know nothing is guaranteed to last forever. Stay strong.
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 01:58:42
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☄ Helpfulby vanceen 2017/11/24 03:42:21
As I've said in a couple of other posts, I would greatly prefer to stay with Sonar as long as possible, but as of today there is uncertainty about issues of continuing authorization, and for those of us who've been paying monthly, what exact version we'll end up with a license for (I'd hate to lose recent PRV improvements because I'm three payments short of another full year). And of course as recent events with Rapture and CA-2A showed, Windows updates could break features unexpectedly. For those reasons I believe I should be exploring other options. I'm sure there are many tools available that will get the job done for me.
But it's pretty disheartening to think of when I realize how many hours I've spent becoming fluent with Sonar. Heidegger said something along the lines of a competent carpenter isn't even aware his hammer exists until he has a problem with it, only then does it become an actual object to be contended with. I'd finally been approaching that with Sonar, where I could do most of my work without having to think about the tools at all. Today I was trying out the Studio One demo, and I have no doubt that it is quite capable software, but here I am fumbling around trying to figure out how to set the metronome count-in. Yeesh. Not where I was wanting to be again.
(FWIW, the metronome was pretty trivial, and knowing how to use DAW software in general will be a big leg up in learning something new, but I'm sure some hurdles will not be so simple).
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 02:03:09
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Everyone keeps saying we can continue the use Sonar as is. If so, then why am I suddenly in demo mode? Where do I go for support to fix this problem? No, the world hasn't ended, but I suddenly feel like my ability to produce music has been shut off. It's like Mazda suddenly when out of business and took my car keys with them.
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 02:28:58
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☄ Helpfulby John 2017/11/24 02:36:14
mk31762
Everyone keeps saying we can continue the use Sonar as is. If so, then why am I suddenly in demo mode? Where do I go for support to fix this problem? No, the world hasn't ended, but I suddenly feel like my ability to produce music has been shut off. It's like Mazda suddenly when out of business and took my car keys with them.
You have until Dec 13 before Demo mode kicks in correct ? Don't worry about it. I know that's easier said than done but Cakewalk knows users will go in to demo mode on Dec 13 its the monthly cycle. Just try and stay calm and hang in there. I have a feeling Cakewalk will announce something next week. This week is holidays and a lot is going on for them too. I heard from a rep source: They will have an authorization key that will unlock Sonar for ever (even transferring to another PC).
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 02:35:34
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Very useful information Chuck. Very timely too.
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 02:44:09
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As I've said in a couple of other posts, I would greatly prefer to stay with Sonar as long as possible, but as of today there is uncertainty about issues of continuing authorization, and for those of us who've been paying monthly, what exact version we'll end up with a license for (I'd hate to lose recent PRV improvements because I'm three payments short of another full year). And of course as recent events with Rapture and CA-2A showed, Windows updates could break features unexpectedly. For those reasons I believe I should be exploring other options. I'm sure there are many tools available that will get the job done for me.
But it's pretty disheartening to think of when I realize how many hours I've spent becoming fluent with Sonar. Heidegger said something along the lines of a competent carpenter isn't even aware his hammer exists until he has a problem with it, only then does it become an actual object to be contended with. I'd finally been approaching that with Sonar, where I could do most of my work without having to think about the tools at all. Today I was trying out the Studio One demo, and I have no doubt that it is quite capable software, but here I am fumbling around trying to figure out how to set the metronome count-in. Yeesh. Not where I was wanting to be again.
(FWIW, the metronome was pretty trivial, and knowing how to use DAW software in general will be a big leg up in learning something new, but I'm sure some hurdles will not be so simple).
I will be around and so will others to help in any transition you make. This community is still alive and well. Things are not as bleak as they may seem. We have already heard from Personus and Steinberg. Both are going to help too.
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 02:57:44
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Chuck and John... Peace. Gonna miss hanging out around here.
You guys are awesome.
Geoff
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 03:03:53
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☄ Helpfulby bodhi65 2017/11/24 03:18:15
Just ordered a 240GB EVO SSD. Will rebuild my DAW and use W7 so I can safely go on line without worrying about W10 updates trashing Sonar and my 3rd party installers.
I will take the old 120GB drive and put in a Drive encloser I just ordered.
My CCC is all up to date.
Time to house clean anyways.
I'm confident I will not have any more problems once I do this and the system should run for at least 5-6 years.. I'll be 70 years old. By then much will have changed so I'm not going to sweat it.
What I will miss is this forum. No matter what that will never be the same now.
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 03:07:00
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☄ Helpfulby SandlinJohn 2017/11/24 09:30:07
You know, this situation is bad for us owners of SONAR, but the folks I feel really bad for are the great folks who lost their jobs just before the Thanksgiving holiday. I'm sure this was not the holiday they imagined. I would also think some are married, maybe have kids, and their outlook for Christmas looks really bleak right now. I pray that these good folks will be back to work soon, and that their life returns to normal. In the long run, this may open new and better opportunities for them, and I sincerely hope and pray that is what happens. But right now, our issues with the software are really small potatoes compared to their issues.
You know, I can remember when SONAR was only updated once a year. Everyone waited on the forums, debating what the latest updates would consist of. The way I choose to see it, the October release was like our update for the year. No plans to switch from SONAR any time soon. And with the news from Chuck, things are looking better that we will be able to use SONAR even if we switch machines. For us owners of the software, that is really not a bad deal compared to what the developers and other Cakewalk folks are experiencing right now.
Just my 2-cents.....
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 03:25:56
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stratman70
...I'm a Viet Nam Vet, so that tells you about how old I am.
Hey, what a coincidence! I'm a Vietnam draft dodger! OK, technically I didn't move to Canada or cut off a toe or anything. I just lived in Europe and was registered at Draft Board 100, which was for overseas Americans and had no draft quota. My own strategy echoes everyone else's: carry on using SONAR until I can't anymore, but slowly ease into some secondary DAW as insurance. I don't know which one it'll be yet, but I'm in no hurry. Way too many other things have a higher priority.
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 03:26:55
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chuckebaby
I have a feeling Cakewalk will announce something next week. This week is holidays and a lot is going on for them too. I heard from a rep source: They will have an authorization key that will unlock Sonar for ever (even transferring to another PC).
This is welcome news. I hope this pans out and your source is truly reputable. It's "nice" that other companies are jumping on this opportunity to offer Cakewalk Sonar users a path to "salvation." But I don't want to be saved, I just want to use SONAR. It has the workflow I like and the latest version has some really really great tools. I don't want to start over from scratch now!
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 03:43:34
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John
I will be around and so will others to help in any transition you make. This community is still alive and well. Things are not as bleak as they may seem. We have already heard from Personus and Steinberg. Both are going to help too.
Thanks, that's much appreciated. This forum has been an invaluable source of information over the years and I've been able to find answers and solutions here for just about every problem I've ever encountered using Sonar. I never would have gotten MIDI take lanes sorted without the forum, and Azslow's ACT helper utilities were a godsend when I found them. Hope everyone (in the US) had a great holiday and ate too much with their family and friends. All this other stuff will get sorted out in time, I'm sure.
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 08:24:33
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Hi there:) If all goes down, I'm reactivating my first Tape Machine:) More than 30 years ago, I never sold it! But my Commodore 64 is not there anymore, don't know where it is:(  https://1drv.ms/i/s!Al2mKojzOW0Mk5sRDSOK04vJYVU8vg Would be nice to work with it:) In that time Musicians had to be Musicians  Bassman.
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 09:41:53
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 11:30:22
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More thoughts from a non pro user...I have to say that this situation is giving me pause to think about how I do things. I'm not a professional user and I'll admit that up front. In fact I'm just a hobbyist who just likes to screw around recording myself playing guitar once in awhile. I have been learning to use SONAR since I got it though just simply because doing that has been fun. I also have and use Reason 10 because I really like playing around with synthesizers I've found in this last 3-4 years.
But now, I'm thinking the best thing for me maybe to just get a Boss BR 800 all-in-one recording unit. At my age (59), all I really need to do is to be able to record myself playing guitar while I can still actually play it. What I don't need is to be subject to the hassles of the music industry in the software industry for something that simple. Some have said this is just business. I understand that as I work in the business world as the database administrator. However as someone pointed out up above this post, this is like having someone sell you a Mazda and then take the keys from you when they go out of business. I would hope that Gibson is smarter than this, but with that Bozo outfit I have no idea what to expect.
So no, this isn't the end of my world. I have plenty of other options as I've tried to state here. However, I have learned not to trust software companies in particular and business in general - especially when it comes to "Lifetime" anything. I'm trying to think in terms of future-proofing my efforts. I feel sorry for Cakewalk employees (in particular) as well as the professional users (in general) here who have come to depend on the software for their living. It makes me grateful that I'm a database administrator because the one thing that business will never go without is Big Data.
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 11:45:33
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We have misused SONAR for digitizing thousends of tapes and vinyl. We are constantly under stress and deadline pressure.
A new DAW is a complete disaster for our workflow. And it will take a lot of time to create a new workflow.
But we must do this step "now" - before the day comes and SONAR stops working.
We cannot wait until this day and then close our business for 2 months - searching a new DAW and creating and learning a new very special workflow. We do projects for customer with up to 8 TB audio.
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 11:45:37
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I posted a locked announcement in the Sonar Software forum regarding future activation. My Moderator level confines me to that forum for posting to the sticky area.
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 13:28:54
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I posted a locked announcement in the Sonar Software forum regarding future activation. My Moderator level confines me to that forum for posting to the sticky area.
This is good news, but may I ask who PM'd whom in this exchange, as well as exactly where it was found (I'm not familiar with Wookiee except Chewbaca)? If I seem distrustful here, my mistrust is directed at Gibson, not you or anyone else in Cakewalk-land. Fibson has earned it's reputation while the people here are first rate in my mind.
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Re: The world has not ended
2017/11/24 13:37:53
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Basseman
Hi there:)
If all goes down, I'm reactivating my first Tape Machine:)
I swear I actually contemplated this. Tape machines had no authorizations :-) Then I thought WTF, am I crazy or something. I think what we are seeing here is similar to a zombie apocalypse. There is no need to panic right now.
Windows 8.1 X64 Sonar Platinum x64 Custom built: Asrock z97 1150 - Intel I7 4790k - 16GB corsair DDR3 1600 - PNY SSD 220GBFocusrite Saffire 18I8 - Mackie Control
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