Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]
All of his editing, drawing, erasing, CC drawing, etc. can be done in any DAW, AFAIK. I think that he's really showing is his individual musical ability and adeptness with the software, rather than demonstrating how powerful the software is itself. 

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]

mike_mccue



"adeptness with the software"

I think he is showing that you CAN be adept with Cakewalk SONAR.

Can you imagine if he showed drum maps????

That would be like hitting a home run out of the park!!!

Anyone can be adept with SONAR, or any other tool for that matter. Being good at something doesn't demonstrate the merits of the tool, but rather the merits of the operator.

mike_mccue

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]

mike_mccue



"adeptness with the software"

I think he is showing that you CAN be adept with Cakewalk SONAR.

Can you imagine if he showed drum maps????

That would be like hitting a home run out of the park!!!

Anyone can be adept with SONAR, or any other tool for that matter. Being good at something doesn't demonstrate the merits of the tool, but rather the merits of the operator.

That is simply pitiful.

Why don't you take a moment, drop what you find disagreeable, and consider the following:

Cakewalk has spent a bunch of money and generated lots of ill will while trying to address some people's concern that Cakewalk seems confusing and difficult to master... and now someone demonstrates how simple it is to master Cakewalk SONAR and you respond in this fashion???

Cakewalk has been waging a futile feature list war with an imaginary foe for several years. Cakewalk could be focusing on teaching, and showing by example, just how easy it is to push SONAR to the very edge of the potential of any DAW.

Frankly, If I could edit MIDI half as easily in Pro Tools as I can in Cakewalk... I'd probably be a full time Pro Tools user.

The idea that many existing Cakewalk customers and many potential customers find SONAR confusing is directly related to a lack of demonstration by example on of just how to make complex music within SONAR.

With the exception of the recent video work in Step Sequencer and Audio Snap most of Cakewalk's presentations amount to show and tell demonstrations of feature lists... and when the demonstrations occasionally demonstrate the creation of actual content the focus has always been on least common denominator, industrial grade background music intended to be made as quickly and inexpensively as possible.

Now, we all get to see a fully realized musician make the very most of SONARs capabilities and your response is "all of his editing, drawing, erasing, CC drawing, etc. can be done in any DAW".

Well, I doubt he choose SONAR just because it was pretty.

Many of us know that SONAR is the very best DAW... you should too.

I hope you consider what I have said in the absence of what ever details you disagree with because that demonstration and the discussion of the nitty gritty details about editing in PRV exemplifies the types of thoughts people like myself, people who have purchased 10 or more upgrades, think about when we are presented with each latest version of SONAR.

I have stated several times that Cakewalk seems intent on catering to people who have yet to imagine what SONAR is already capable of doing, and I have been critical of the fact that Cakewalk has been sluggish to develop improvements at a highly detailed level of functionality because it is focused on big broad easy to understand features that, in my opinion, amount to a dilution of the potential that SONAR has represented.

Viewing these videos should be happy occasion for both of us to agree that SONAR is a state of the art DAW.

Maybe we can agree to disagree about the Doctor Rhythm feature that Cakewalk calls the step sequencer? :-)

I'll stop before I get myself kicked off the forum.

Good night... I'm off to dinner.

all things considered, I wish you the very best regards,
mike

Crg

I think he raises some excellent points, and I was wondering if anyone else around here agree with him? Could we think of ways to optimize X1 for speedier pianoroll composing?

 
That was totally amazing Lunatique. But I'm not quite sure what points you say he's raising. Are you saying these techniques are no longer available upwards of of Sonar 4? I've never been aware of the drawing ability in the controller lanes etc. That is pretty much all I see missing in the current PRV. I'll have to try that in X1-8.5.3 to see. I wish I was that fast.

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]

Mike,

With all due respect, I completely and utterly disagree with you about the Step Sequencer and the quality of our videos, but that's way off topic of this thread. The reason I chimed in was because you originally asked, "why doesn't Cakewalk make videos of this quality". 

windsurfer25x


.... how do you copy and paste so fast in the PRV without that annoying window that pops up with parameters when all you want to do is copy and paste?

LunatiqueCRG - The issues that he raised can be seen in the comments section of the first video. He mentioned the reasons why he stayed with Sonar 4 since subsequent versions made changes that screwed up his efficient workflow.

Crg


I read the comments just now. I'll have to try this in X1. In 8.5.3 I could get rid of the controller data and show only notes. I think he should do some official Cakewalk tutorials but they would have to be slowed down a bit. It's rather hard to see what he actually does at some points in the process where he selects instruments and uses key bindings that he doesn't explain. To someone who is experienced with Sonar and the PRV it might be obvious but to a new student, I'm sure those vids would leave them with the trout look. I could barely keep up with what he was doing but I doubt I could recreate those steps on my own the first time. Explaining those steps as they were implemented in real time would add a lot of content to the videos. At any rate, the videos were great. The guy is certainly a master and I'm sure he could shed some light and find the proper ways to do the same things in X1.

mike_mccue



"I wanted to add that I'm a little curious about "I'm a drummer and I've been composing drum tracks in the PRV for many years". This sounds very similar to another poster's comment that he's a piano player, and therfore "lives in the PRV". Both these statements strike me as odd. I wouldn't have expected that any musician with chops on an instrument for which good controllers exist would spend a lot of time composing for that instrument in the PRV."

I never said I was a good drummer.  :-)

I play acoustic drums into SONAR... I play my eDrums into SONAR... and I write drums in PRV.

What you have just said is roughly equal to telling Mozart that you are surprised to learn that he wrote music on a staff when he could have just played it.

What if your intention is to end up with perfectly quantized drumming? Or perfectly quantized piano playing?

mike_mccue


I always enjoy and admire your ability to represent your opinion in a positive manner.

I also enjoy and appreciate the fact that you share an expertise in SONAR with so many of us.

very best,
mike

Except of course that it takes most people years to be REALLY good with a musical instrument.   So we are left with a choice of either wait till we are good enough players to make music, or to use PRV.