There is a guy called John

Give it a rest Ben. You're beginning to remind me of that Smiths' song "Bigmouth Strikes Again"  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5CltsEN8DQ

Just remember Ben. Post count means nothing.

I Am evidence of that.

FastBikerBoy


Are you sure you're not getting your Johns mixed up? There's nothing worse than getting mixed up Johns.

No there are quite def two of them now and their attitude (not that mine is much better) belay that they are the same person.
 
The Naughty Neb

Beagle


nothing good will come from this, Ben.

No it never does, I couldn't sleep and those two (my opinion) are like two peas in a pod, so I decided to fight rather than flight.
 
You've seen my photo, I'm desighned for one things, well three, kilts, whisky and battle fields you might as well throw in poetry and women (even though I've sworn off them) as well.
 
At least you still are talking to me
 
Peace Neb

John T


It's kind of astounding that you would complain about someone else's attitude after all that "blue collar yobs" and "uneducated masses" rubbish you were talking earlier.
 
(not that mine is much better) I said mine was as bad, that is why I am fighting you, now where is that blue face paint, bagpipes and kilt.
 
The Naughty Neb
 
At least I went to sleep in the end!!!
 

If you can't forgive and forget, pick one.

   ~Robert Brault

John T


No, Ben, *you* have a terrible attitude and have spent the last 24 hours or so ranting and raving like a lunatic, and several people have pulled you up on it. Which you've then gone and cry-babied about all over the place. I'm not "fighting" you, I'm suggesting you stop acting like a dick.

Actually JT, it wasn't even you who I was fighting in the first place it was John 20000 post count and if you want to talk about attitude than it was his that was appalling, I didn't read a post corectly and I gave the wrong advice, guess what I said sorry to that poster and gave a Mea Culpa.  The other John mr 20000 post count started to rave on how I was, here is statement one:
 
 Nor do I understand the reference to Thunderbolt. What on earth does that have to do with, well, anything? Also what would a "gapless" audio engine do for recording? I guess if one is in the habit of inserting and cutting and pasting while trying to capture a one of a kind performance than maybe one may have a need. LOL
 
Ben you need to sue your school.
 
Statement2:
I read your response and I concur. I was not answering the OP or you I was wondering what Ben is on. Thats all.

As a matter of fact I find your posts to be of very high quality.

What people forget about Sonar is that it was a pioneer in non destructive recording and editing with Pro Audio being its progenitor. Now its commonplace. X1 still acts within that fundamental concept. I don't think Ben fully grasps that
 
Statement3:
Maybe you don't know what you write but you said that you "track with GT 4 with no latency". If what you say here is even somewhat true how can that be? Do you try to think before you post?

I'm being insulting for the very simple reason that you proclaim yourself as some guru on audio maters. You have it in your signature. Yet you constantly write misinformation.

A low latency system with Sonar is a very doable thing with even less computer power than is available today. Its been done for years. A gapless audio engine has nothing what so ever to do with it. The hardware audio interface and its drivers plus a computer with a decent low latency will do this All of which can be done on most systems right now.

Do a search on latency with Sonar or X1 and check out the old threads reporting extremely low latency.
 
Statement4:
Dan, CJ and you Jind answered the OP very well. Ben just added confusion to this thread. That sort of bugs me.
Statement5:
Ben I don't get it. I tried to explain what was up but even now you don't seem to get it.

Latency is not why one can't track with any plugin. Its due entirely to Sonar X1 not using the stream to write to disk. There is no point in using a plugin compressor while tracking in Sonar. Only outside gear can be of use in that situation. If one wants to hear the effect that the compressor has fine, and with low latency. But it wont effect the audio going to disk as you record.

Its the same with volume. Sonar has no control over it as its being recorded. Only with gear producing it and streaming to the disk is there control over volume. You set your levels outside of X1.

I hope that now its clear.
Statement6:
I wouldn't ever do tracking that way. You must set your levels first with the hardware. Do not use trim in Sonar or volume. You should have all Sonar volume controls set to unity including trim. This is so you get an accurate level in the record meters. If you do otherwise you have no idea what level is being written to disk.

What I do is set Sonar to record and then take a reading of the record meters knowing that I have tested the loudest possible portion that I am going to see and adjust the hardware accordingly so I get a good signal. Once I am sure of my levels I record. That way I am sure of what is going to disk and am sure I will get a good usable recording with no clipping and loud enough to be useful.

I see CJ beat me to it.

Statement7:
I don't think you do understand.

Sonar has no control over record levels.
Statement 9: 8 wasn't too bad
Brandon I would avoid the word "through" in this thread. I would substitute "with" for through. We are having a very hard time with Ben understanding recording with X1.

Thats when I became nasty, it took 9 statements from john 20000 posts before I even started to retaliate
 
Then I wrote a Mea Culpa to the OP:
I have the deepest respect for you, funnily enough John (ampfixer) and yes I will leave it alone because you have asked me to. I am not going to start pointing fingers but I will not be insulted and just take it.

I take full responsibility in not reading the OP properly, I know that you can input montor and it is non destructive. I suppose I was thinking of the bad old day's when input monitoring was just a pipe dream or beyond our computers because of latency.

I can't belive I am having this chat with Yoda of all people, great avatar, John.

Peace Neb

Then even when I said I am out of here me 20000 post John has to chime in again:
Ben: if the OP had asked the question in the fashion he just did, then I would have answered in the manner that you did. It was all down to how he aaked the question. I still don't recomend it or see the point, it was nice Brandon explaining what they have done to the PC and I will have to give it a go, just to see how well it works.

Answer :You simply didn’t understand what the OP was asking.


Ben: Now you, no I'm play the insult game "what does a preamp have to do with Sonar and recording with it?"

Answer: You really think I don’t know what a preamp is for? Really?

Please try to follow. When you bring up stuff that has no reason to be included in this thread I look at it as subterfuge. We were talking about how Sonar records not about the signal chain outside of Sonar. The only point about outside gear that is pertinent is its level. Nothing else.
 and CJ both walked you through how one has to record in Sonar. Yet you continued to spout the same misinformation. As if what had been written to you had not been written at all.

Ben: I said about making sure that we don't clip but did you not understand that each peice of equipment has an operating limit where the equipment hums as I said turn the preamp up to a certain point and the harmonics depending on what sort of preamp you are using start to really hum, sometimes this is right at the very top of the gain structure meaning very little headroom once it is in Sonar, hence the regain structureing when inside Sonar.

Answer: I don’t think you know if you are clipping or not. That is why I was so adamant about the way you record. Plus what to me is more important is you don’t preach this idea to the forum.
Its wrong and it could very easily cause harm. You may not understand that but it is very important that this be a place where people can rely one the information they find here.

We have had know it alls in the past that are nothing more than trolls. You need to do more home work before you pontificate about anything. 



 
Look at that avatar, my face what do you think I am made for, BATTLE.
 
I may be wrong but James Collins agrees with the idea of audio equipment haveing an optimal operating range and Jeff Even's quoted the article I was talking about although he says it's out of date, I don't agree with Jeff on this one but Jeff and I are grown ups and can dissagree with insulting each other.
 
Now as I said I read the OP wrong, said sorry but I will stick with my theories on digital audio, guess what I could be wrong, amazing how I can say that even though I am nutter as you are implying.
 
You sir along with the other John are bullies and once again look at my avatar, do I look like I am going to let u bully me.
 
Peace Neb

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She Said She Said.

Good song.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlKIsg_XdkI

Too long, didn't read. What's this now, we're supposed to waste our time running court proceedings over forum arguments? Jaysus.

John T


Too long, didn't read. What's this now, we're supposed to waste our time running court proceedings over forum arguments? Jaysus.

yes

Step away from the computer.

Actually I can't see there would ever be an occassion where either John or John_T could possibly be caught up in or central to any kind of conflict ever.

It just seems so out of character for either of them to be involved in that sort of thing with anybody.

It must all be down to some little misunderstanding.

Ya know Ben, you can discuss or you can Stouch. Whatever that is. There is no posture of greatness needed here. John has some opinions and techniques that you may be able to learn from if you can restrain yourself from stouching. It's not all black and white, and no one is using the same system. Maybe it's bigger than you think. Everything matters and that includes everyones personal observations. So think before you stouch.