musicroom
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Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
Those of you that have the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor - what do you think? At the current pricing it looks like a good time to pick it up - if needed. Of course I already want it. Since ProCh/X1 - I've transitioned over to primarily using both of the standard ProCh compressors along with the PC2a leveler - which I really like. I also use Old Timer quite a bit and Molot/Others. Appreciate any thoughts you all may have...
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/10 21:04:59
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/10 21:44:16
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The biggest reason to have it is to complete the SSL 4000 emulation... provided you already have the PC-4K Expander / Gate module.... But that's just my opinion...which, if added to a mountain of poop, would be worth a mountain of poop....and it's decent...and for $19.99....why wouldn't you pick it up?
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/10 22:25:23
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musicroom . . . PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor is great for sure - - - but I've found after I got the PC2A Limiting Amplifier, I use the PC4K Ch comp less and less. (PC2A Limiting Amplifier is my fave PC mod) I have found though that I really prefer to use the PC4K Ch compr mostly on Bass Guitar, and a bit for snare / kick drums, it has a distinct punchy sound quality when dialed in a certain way, making upper ranges of Bass Guitar really stand out in the thickest of mixes. If you do pop, rock, country type of music it may be a must have.
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/10 23:52:08
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Hi Dave, just go grab it - at $20 it's a steal. You won't regret it. It works really well, I'm finding as I play more with various modules and types of material, all the modules have certain characteristics that make them better suited to a particular job / type of material. All the PC modules have been getting a good workout here, and every one of them has it's use for sure. Cheers - Cliff
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/11 00:35:11
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Actually Cliff it right on the money here. I fully agree with every word!
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musicroom
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/11 01:55:33
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John Cliff noynekker cclarry You guys are great - Thanks for stepping in to let me know your opinion. I guess I will get the gate too while I'm at it. I think I will get the concrete limiter at some point John. I've turned into a bit of a bargain hunter, hopefully that one will go in sale again.
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/11 02:03:27
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Hope so too. I got it for the enormous price of $ 10. Need I say it was worth it?
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/11 08:43:03
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Thanks for starting this thread, Dave. The PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor is the only PC module I don't have, and the current $20 deal was looking good. After reading the replies it looks like I'll be making a purchase today.
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/11 10:59:13
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stevec Thanks for starting this thread, Dave. The PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor is the only PC module I don't have, and the current $20 deal was looking good. After reading the replies it looks like I'll be making a purchase today. I thought that was you standing in the checkout line. :)
post edited by musicroom - 2012/05/11 16:09:18
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/11 11:43:00
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Yeah... I was going to turn around but the cashier gave me a dirty look.
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/11 14:07:50
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For those that already have the S-type Channel Compressor, do you also have a download in your account for "1.0.1 installer - ProChannel - PC4K Compressor"? If so, does it actually downloads as the S-type channel compressor? I though that it was perhaps an update to the PC4K Bus compressor delivered with SONAR, but now I'm unsure... I have both it and my new S-type purchase available to download.
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/11 14:20:45
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I have been thinking about this too. i really wish they offered a demo. i know it's only 19.99, but it's 19.99 more than my budget right now. i already "splurged' and picked up the gate/expander and i just realized that i can upgrade to rapture for another $20, but all three takes my zero budget to $60 very quickly. Not complaining..just thinking out loud i suppose.
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/11 16:12:52
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dubdisciple I have been thinking about this too. i really wish they offered a demo. i know it's only 19.99, but it's 19.99 more than my budget right now. i already "splurged' and picked up the gate/expander and i just realized that i can upgrade to rapture for another $20, but all three takes my zero budget to $60 very quickly. Not complaining..just thinking out loud i suppose. Good catch - I didn't read the Rapture ad past the $99. Upgrade for $20 dollars is a great deal. I hear you about the funds getting nickeled and dimed until it mounts up to a what happened moment! :)
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/11 16:56:56
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Good catch - I didn't read the Rapture ad past the $99. Upgrade for $20 dollars is a great deal. Oh great, thanks, there goes another $20.... (seriously, I just did the Rapture upgrade too  )
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/11 17:09:23
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hard one to pass up. The only thing holding me back (and probably not for long) is the fact that i have always been perplexed as to what Rapture gives me that is significantly different than what what Z3ta+2 gives me already.
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/11 17:13:11
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Good question... it's nothing I can put my finger on, but Rapture (LE) has a different "feel" than Zeta, at least for me. I've never owned the full version though, so I may do a little back and forth now just to see if I can better determine what it is that makes them seem different. It could all be in my head...
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/11 17:20:58
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It definitely has a different quality, but as you said, hard to sum up in words. I have used rapture LE for basslines that maybe a master programmer could create in Z3ta but why bother wit hthe extra work. decisions , decisions!
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/11 17:32:23
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Yeah... that's a pretty good pseudo-explanation. For me, Rapture is about fat and warm synth bass, leads and some evolving pad stuff, while Zeta is a little more "transparent" but maybe a bit more "bitey", and makes me look for arpeggiated patterns and more "Nord" type tones. Or am I talking in circles...
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/11 18:15:31
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Below is from the Rapture manual Architecture of Rapture Rapture is composed of six individual sound generation components, called Elements. A Rapture Program (stored as a file with a .PROG extension) is defined by the settings of all parameters within all Elements and the Global section. Each Element has a complete engine composed of an Oscillator, a per-voice DSP stage (Bit Reduction, Decimation, Drive and two multi-mode resonant filters), and a set of Modulators (envelope generators, low frequency oscillators and step generators) applied to the main sound generation parameters. The sound generated by the six Elements is mixed and routed to a global DSP stage (three band parametric equalizer and multi-effects section). The Oscillator is the core of the sound manufacturing process. Each Oscillator is capable of high-quality, high-performance wavetable synthesis. This type of synthesis is an efficient method of creating sustained sounds by looping a minimal amount of audio data. In Rapture, the wavetable is defined by a single-cycle audio file. During the wave loading procedure, Rapture creates all the sample images required for the Oscillator to play the single cycle across the whole keyboard range without any aliasing distortion. Rapture ships with over two hundred wavetable definition files, which can be expanded. Below is from the Z3TA-2 manual. A Waveshaping Oscillator is the Z3TA+ component responsible for sound generation. There are six waveshaping oscillators, each with dozens of waveforms. You can also load your own waveforms into USER1 through USER 6. Z3TA+ supports 16, 24 and 32 bit uncompressed stereo or mono WAVE (.wav) files as the user oscillator waveforms. I bought them when they were on sale. They both sound great and they are different. The difference I believe is due to how they create their sounds. I can't recommend one over the other. They both sound very good and both have tremendous tweak ability. The idea you guys are saying that you can't put your finger on how they sound different is I believe a correct way to deal with them. They have two different ways to come to a very similar sound but different enough to be complimentary. Can one have the one and not the other and do well? Absolutely! On the other hand if you can get both you wont be regret it. I don't know if this post will help but what ever you decide will be the right decision.
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/11 19:06:40
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It does help John and thanks. I think I also throw dimension-d in there as a near relative to the other two. I wonder which one to pick sometimes...
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/11 19:14:47
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John. Thanks. For $20, it isa probably more than worth the risk.
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/11 19:20:42
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musicroom It does help John and thanks. I think I also throw dimension-d in there as a near relative to the other two. I wonder which one to pick sometimes... Heck, that is an easy one for me at least. If I want good sounding actual instruments I go with Dim Pro or another sampler. If I want a synthy sound than the other two, Z3TA and Rapture come into play not to mention a whole lot of other synths. We are blessed with the variety of sounds at our disposal. In the past to have these sound was a very expensive undertaking.
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/11 19:29:49
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i think cakewalk's synths are on par or better than any DAW's. I think a full featured sampler would bring it all together in that department.
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/11 19:30:36
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One more point. When thses synth first came out they were not cheap. One would choose one because each processed sounds in a way that one may have been more familiar with from hardware synths. Think of Rapture as a wavetable type synth and Z3ta as a FM type synth. If you love FM synths than Z3ta is the one you want if you like sound module type synths than Rapture is the one to get. Admittedly this is simplistic but its a easy way to view them. That does not mean they don't overlap in what sounds the each produced just a very different way to get that sound.
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/11 19:44:53
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John, even though Z3ta does some FM, I think it's a little misleading to label it as an FM synth. Compared to dedicated Fm synths like FM8, it falls a little short. This is not a knock on Z3ta. Overall it is more powerful than FM8 except in the area of FM synthesis. Z3ta is more of an all around, hybrid, modular type synth.
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/11 19:51:35
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John, even though Z3ta does some FM, I think it's a little misleading to label it as an FM synth. Compared to dedicated Fm synths like FM8, it falls a little short. This is not a knock on Z3ta. Overall it is more powerful than FM8 except in the area of FM synthesis. Z3ta is more of an all around, hybrid, modular type synth.
I agree with you. I was only trying to make a distinction. Thats why I added the "this is simplistic" part. Also I was thinking about the sound it makes. It has an FM quality.
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/11 19:52:18
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dubdisciple i think cakewalk's synths are on par or better than any DAW's. I think a full featured sampler would bring it all together in that department. Interesting you say that. I've been recently thinking that Dimension Pro could fill this void if Cakewalk decided to do some expansion and further development on it. Basically kind of like Cakewalk's version of Halion or Kontakt with multiple outputs, dedicated sampler section, etc. I really think there's a lot of untapped potential to be explored with Dimension.
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Re:Thinking about getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
2012/05/11 20:02:51
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blade, i agree with you, but i think from a marketing standpoint, they may be better off introducing a "new" instrument even if it is based on Dimension bones. Dimension pro already does a lot of things well. just recently i have enjoyed importing rex files of drum loops. if i could assign different sections of a chopped loop to different outputs that would be orgasmic.
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