Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick!

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2010/02/08 13:51:48 (permalink)

Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick!

Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick!

Yeah! Not happy with the setup and the crap on Soundclick such as Beatz for sales flooding various top 5 charts and other users song uploads date back almost 10 years ago remain in the top 5.  And those popup adverts are annoying, some of those such as the work-from-home are scams, and sometimes the Soundclick pages don't load, or load very slow and the players won't play aghhhh!!!.

I know of friends and family who use to have an account with Soundclick but no longer do. Friends agree with me, they've complain about the same things I've mention; nasty adverts, beatz'er crap, pages not loading, players not playing and the player I embed on other sites will occasionally not display or play. Very annoying!  I've had friends E-mail me suggesting I give SoundClick the flick and sign up with other music sites....

There are a few other sites I'm considering such as;

Bandcamp
Soundcloud
iLike
Showcase Your Music
Music Submit

...and other sites already mentioned before on this forum.

What's your preferred site and have you checked out any of those that I've listed?

I also have my own site but I want to spread my music around by joining various sites and only if those sites, player and audio quality is good enough (no less than MP3 128kbps)
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    timidi
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    Re:Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick! 2010/02/08 14:01:04 (permalink)
    It's simply a place to host songs.
    And, yes, it is a con.
    Just like they all are.
    It's all part of that long narrow trench in which we reside.

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    Re:Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick! 2010/02/08 20:04:22 (permalink)
    timidi


    It's simply a place to host songs.
    And, yes, it is a con.
    Just like they all are.
    It's all part of that long narrow trench in which we reside.


           SongCraft
           What's your preferred site and have you checked out any of those that I've listed?


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    Re:Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick! 2010/02/08 20:35:24 (permalink)
    I don't really have a preferred site. sorry. And, no I didn't check those sites.
    I just use Myspace and Soundclick cause I've been there forever and I've grown tired of learning curves. 
    reverbnation.com is used a lot also. And maybe Mixposure.

    Probably the best "advice" would be to post on all of them I guess.
    Throw enough against the wall, and eventually something might stick.

    what is it that you are trying to accomplish? 

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    Re:Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick! 2010/02/08 20:38:11 (permalink)
    Throw enough against the wall, and eventually something might stick.



    My posting philosophy many would say.


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    Re:Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick! 2010/02/08 21:29:44 (permalink)
    timidi


    I don't really have a preferred site. sorry. And, no I didn't check those sites.
    I just use Myspace and Soundclick cause I've been there forever and I've grown tired of learning curves. 
    reverbnation.com is used a lot also. And maybe Mixposure.

    Probably the best "advice" would be to post on all of them I guess.
    Throw enough against the wall, and eventually something might stick.

    what is it that you are trying to accomplish? 

              Thanks Timidi,  appreciate your reply and suggestion!


    Agree, it's probably best to try them all and see how they go.

    So what is it I'm wanting to accomplish? errrr, winning the ten million dollar lottery would be nice!
             

              SongCraft

              sometimes the Soundclick pages don't load, or load very slow and the players won't play aghhhh!!!.

        I get E-mails from friends who are getting annoyed about that!  This is one of the main reasons why I'm thinking of giving Soundclick the flick! 

        I'm curious to what others think about 'alternatives' sites other than; Soundclick, Reverbnation and Ourstage.

    I'm not interested in charts, in fact for example I have retired all my songs from SC charts several months ago.

       I'm chilling out (no, no, not the hot chili), just checking out sites that load fast, are reliable and NOT weighted-down with crap such as; popups, beatZ'er, more BeatZ'errrrs, and forcing visitors to register if they want to download my song(s) for free.   Also of course decent enough audio quality (128 no less) along with various nice player widgets with additional features/options; link to 'retailers' such as Amazon and CD-Baby.


      Anyone checked out other sites such as the ones I've listed?

    . Bandcamp
    . Soundcloud
    . iLike
    . Showcase Your Music
    . Music Submit

      Oh and...

    . Bapu's 'Rocking The Flocking Music Host'.com
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    Re:Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick! 2010/02/08 21:47:49 (permalink)
    I used soundclick solely to post tunes for specific people. Such as the guys here on the forums or my son etc. All the songs I have posted are in relation to whatever was going on in the threads. One day it was bad luck then video games, holiday music, someone wants help putting together a song, add a rhythm or lead. Soundclick is fine and easy if all you want is a vehicle to get  a song posted. If you want exposure I have no idea where to go for that. 

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    Re:Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick! 2010/02/08 21:53:58 (permalink)
    timidi


    And, yes, it is a con.

     
     
    How?
     
    It's free, and we all know the shortcomings - we can decide to use it or not.
     
    If the paid account doesn't deliver what it says it does, I'll concede that would be a con.


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    Re:Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick! 2010/02/08 21:59:41 (permalink)
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    timidi


    And, yes, it is a con.

     
     
    How?
     
    It's free, and we all know the shortcomings - we can decide to use it or not.
     
    If the paid account doesn't deliver what it says it does, I'll concede that would be a con.

    +1 
    So far, IMO, even the free version does what it says. That's not a 'con' to me.
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    Re:Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick! 2010/02/08 22:14:58 (permalink)
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    I used soundclick solely to post tunes for specific people. Such as the guys here on the forums or my son etc. All the songs I have posted are in relation to whatever was going on in the threads. One day it was bad luck then video games, holiday music, someone wants help putting together a song, add a rhythm or lead. Soundclick is fine and easy if all you want is a vehicle to get  a song posted. If you want exposure I have no idea where to go for that

    Music Submit and Showcase Your Music has captured my interest, apparently similar to Taxi, but I'm not sure about the finer details.

    My interest is mainly; 'Publishing', getting my songs submitted to publishers, A&R, for me to be involved in the writing, production, co-production.  And sell a few downloads and CD's, good audio player widgets that included links (user-options) to retail sites such as Amazon and CD-Baby would be cool.
    post edited by SongCraft - 2010/02/08 22:43:24

     
     
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    Re:Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick! 2010/02/08 23:08:21 (permalink)
    SoundCloud is great for posting tunes to display or reference somewhere else. It is built around social networking and "the hope" that someone finds your music. For my view, the socila networking thing is of no interest but it's really good for posting songs 'in development" if you will.

    Bandcamp is focused around sales and I think everyone should be on it. We use it to sell directly thereby reducing profit loss from sending everyone to iTunes. With Bandcamp, you pay the PayPal fees for the transactions but that's it. If you use iTunes you lose, then again on the PayPal if that's how you set it up, and you lose even more of the slice if you use TuneCore or other to get it to iTunes. Pain in the ass. Bandcamp lets you sell.

    Two different sites. Two different reasons to be on them. But I like both and didn't like the others you mentioned and others beyond that I've seen,
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    Re:Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick! 2010/02/08 23:27:02 (permalink)
    Storm


    SoundCloud is great for posting tunes to display or reference somewhere else. It is built around social networking and "the hope" that someone finds your music. For my view, the socila networking thing is of no interest but it's really good for posting songs 'in development" if you will.

    Bandcamp is focused around sales and I think everyone should be on it. We use it to sell directly thereby reducing profit loss from sending everyone to iTunes. With Bandcamp, you pay the PayPal fees for the transactions but that's it. If you use iTunes you lose, then again on the PayPal if that's how you set it up, and you lose even more of the slice if you use TuneCore or other to get it to iTunes. Pain in the ass. Bandcamp lets you sell.

    Two different sites. Two different reasons to be on them. But I like both and didn't like the others you mentioned and others beyond that I've seen,
    Thanks for that info' :-)

    Bandcamp looks promising, and I have noticed more and more musicians using Soundcloud it's just that I don't like their free player (way too big), and their other player widgets are only available for premium paid accounts.  But considering what the site is focused on I suppose it's doable. But man Soundcloud's players are freaking huge

     
     
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    Re:Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick! 2010/02/09 02:57:47 (permalink)
    Larry and I started using Bandcamp, but the player sounds pretty bad, worse than MySpace;

    http://slowmarchingband.bandcamp.com/

     
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    Re:Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick! 2010/02/09 04:01:16 (permalink)
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    Larry and I started using Bandcamp, but the player sounds pretty bad, worse than MySpace;

    http://slowmarchingband.bandcamp.com/


    Beautiful song, well done :-)  it certainly shines through.

    I did compare the track to Soundclick, SC sounded more natural whereas Bandcamp player audio quality reminds me of Garageband.com's audio which sounds watery, like it's been played underwater or something like that (hard to describe).   Anyway I didn't like the sound of GB player and after contacting GB.com about the audio quality they suggested I reupload again, did that, and again, and a month later asked for a refund but GB refused.  That occurred 5 years ago, I've never gone near that site ever again.  Honestly, I think the audio quality of the GB player was worse than Bandcamp but still I can hear that noticeable artifact. Oh well!

    Next sites I'm looking into are; Music Submit and Showcase, since they're not just host for musicians pages, playlist, they apparently do more.... (similar to Taxi).

     
     
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    Re:Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick! 2010/02/09 08:54:49 (permalink)
    I've got a few songs up at Last.FM and i love the site because it has a vast spectrum of music and a vast spectrum of listeners.   IMO soundclick is all (90%) musicians trying to be heard and 10% people actually listening - if even that.  Last.Fm is much more oriented to listeners.
    Like everywhere, if you want to hustle it can get a lot of play ( I don't hustle unfortunately) but even so, it's a cool site.
    post edited by No How - 2010/02/09 08:56:27

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    Re:Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick! 2010/02/09 10:18:18 (permalink)
    I stopped using SoundClick and registered my own domain. I've got a simple website that hosts a few of my simple tunes.

    I suppose I'm not trying to gain exposure or hustle really - I just wanted somewhere to put them where people could listen.
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    Re:Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick! 2010/02/09 11:16:38 (permalink)
    Check this out, Greg... There's good info here...  http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=1770788

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    Re:Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick! 2010/02/09 11:17:50 (permalink)
    here's another one:

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    Re:Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick! 2010/02/09 11:56:47 (permalink)
    SongCraft


    jamesg1213


    Larry and I started using Bandcamp, but the player sounds pretty bad, worse than MySpace;

    http://slowmarchingband.bandcamp.com/


    Beautiful song, well done :-)  it certainly shines through.

    I did compare the track to Soundclick, SC sounded more natural whereas Bandcamp player audio quality reminds me of Garageband.com's audio which sounds watery, like it's been played underwater or something like that (hard to describe).   Anyway I didn't like the sound of GB player and after contacting GB.com about the audio quality they suggested I reupload again, did that, and again, and a month later asked for a refund but GB refused.  That occurred 5 years ago, I've never gone near that site ever again.  Honestly, I think the audio quality of the GB player was worse than Bandcamp but still I can hear that noticeable artifact. Oh well!

    Next sites I'm looking into are; Music Submit and Showcase, since they're not just host for musicians pages, playlist, they apparently do more.... (similar to Taxi).

    Thanks Greg, glad you liked it. 

    I agree about Garageband, that player is awful.



     
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    Re:Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick! 2010/02/09 15:28:10 (permalink)
    Hi,
     
    I see a large proliferation everywhere ... and while it is nice ... I think there is too much "novelty" ... and too many people are 10 years behind the times.
     
    All in all, having your own website is still the best ... since My Space and all those have limitations ... that eventually will slow you down ... and make things cluttered ... I personally do not like to be amidst ... "everyone else" ... since I am NOT everyone else.
     
    And for you to make your mark ... you can NOT be everyone else. It's that simple.
     
    I'm not sure that My Space, Soundclick, or any of those folks are good enough for you to make ... 3 to 4k per month, so you have enough money to buy food and pay rent and take the girlfriend out once in a while! Or buy her something nice once in a while ...
     
    The only bad thing here ... is that too many companies that do Hosting are really screwed up ... I would always have 3 or 4 accounts that are "investments" ... but this is where trust comes in ... but if you have a piece of paper with a tax return ... the trust issue is not on your side ... it's on theirs ... and if they do not know the difference in investing ... don't bother with them.
     
    But you have to have a return as such, for example, so that people can say ... he's serious, isn't he? ... and you have a chance ... otherwise it's like the majority of the stuff on YouTube and all these sites ... it's all the same and everyone sounds the same and everything is a mom and pop jack cheese song ... and I don't think that I have found enough of these to count on more than one hand ... that are worth the attention!
     
    So ... let me ask you ... where do you want to be?
     
    But don't expect people to do you favors ... the only favor you gonna get is when the numbers start flowing through your hand like nuts and sand ... everyone will want your signature then ... and you can pick and choose!
    post edited by Moshkiae - 2010/02/09 15:34:22

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    Re:Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick! 2010/02/09 15:34:06 (permalink)
    I don't really know what you just said.


    But having your own site is the best. Of course. No argument here.
    BUT..... Bandcamp is great because it gives us sales versus having to have someone build a payment module for our site and provide security for us, plus make the payments necessary to work through a Authorize.net to allows us to process the actual payments going through our own site. Pain in the ass to build your own payment module for your site and not worth the cost.

    And sometimes you have tunes you're trying to get feedback on but aren't "on your album" yet so you really don't want you unfinished stuff released on your site, so a place like SoundCloud or whatever is great for sharing without it being a "released version" the song.

    Trust me, they all have their uses. The key is finding out what your needs are and finding the one that fits it.

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    Re:Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick! 2010/02/09 15:49:04 (permalink)
    Storm


    I don't really know what you just said.


    But having your own site is the best. Of course. No argument here.
    BUT..... Bandcamp is great because it gives us sales versus having to have someone build a payment module for our site and provide security for us, plus make the payments necessary to work through a Authorize.net to allows us to process the actual payments going through our own site. Pain in the ass to build your own payment module for your site and not worth the cost.

    And sometimes you have tunes you're trying to get feedback on but aren't "on your album" yet so you really don't want you unfinished stuff released on your site, so a place like SoundCloud or whatever is great for sharing without it being a "released version" the song.

    Trust me, they all have their uses. The key is finding out what your needs are and finding the one that fits it.

    Well, I stuck to some specifics ... from my experience ... so if the specifics bother you ... sorry about that, and ... of course ... good luck.
     
    In the end, you have to assume/take responsibility for your own, specially if you want to get bigger ... and better ... and (of course) that is not my decision ... it's yours.
     
    My comments were a bit further up and away on a chain of events than yours btw ... I kinda thought that yours was suggestiong that most people are so new and such beginners that they need the input badly on how to get better ... whereas when you are more established you know the secret ... a lot more intimately than you might be giving it credit for?
     
    Again ... you decide!

    As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys! 
      
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    Re:Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick! 2010/02/09 17:02:00 (permalink)
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    I've got a few songs up at Last.FM and i love the site because it has a vast spectrum of music and a vast spectrum of listeners.   IMO soundclick is all (90%) musicians trying to be heard and 10% people actually listening - if even that.  Last.Fm is much more oriented to listeners.
    Like everywhere, if you want to hustle it can get a lot of play ( I don't hustle unfortunately) but even so, it's a cool site.
    Hey Rick that site looks cool :-)   I've added it to my bookmarks.  Thanks for suggesting Last.FM

    Funny, last night I was thinking exactly the same thing; that SC is mostly a musicians hangout, and most listeners are musicians. So yeah I agree.

    I don't like to hustle either, and I've always preferred to be outside the spotlight.  When ever I performed live on stage I never felt comfortable because the music biz felt like utter complete madness  {Security! Security!)  No joking, and I been stalked and set on by young women.  One of my female vocalist kept getting creepy obscene phone calls {ughhh} that really freaked us out!! We reported it and eventually that freak stopped calling.

    Nowadays I'm happy just writing and music production and if I'm lucky I might get offered a publishing deal to have a known young egomaniac, starry-eyed hyperactive teen get all the spotlight they want!

     
     
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    Re:Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick! 2010/02/09 17:15:52 (permalink)
    Julie,

    Thanks! I'll check that thread out again.

    Storm,
    I agree that having ones own site is a good idea, it's only a start, from thereon other sites need to be utilized for marketing and retail purposes such as; CD-Baby, Bandcamp, Amazon, Facebook and/or similar social networking (fanbase), and sites that assist with promoting and submitting to radio stations and labels.

    Moshkiae,
    I understand what Storm is trying to explain! Bandcamp is setup to help bands sell their music and making that process easier. I've added Bandcamp to my bookmarks, my only slight crit is the player audio quality.

    Timidi,
    Thanks, will check that site out! But I'm not sure it be what I'm looking for. Not just another forum for musicians? (musicians hangout)
    post edited by SongCraft - 2010/02/09 17:18:31

     
     
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    Re:Thinking of Giving SoundClick the Flick! 2010/02/14 02:53:52 (permalink)
    :Update:

    I just joined Last.FM.  Great site!  Thanks for the suggestion Rick :-)

    Last.FM gives artist/bands the opportunity for radio play and get paid (royalties) for the plays!  You get MP3 @128 or better and you can also build up a fan base and chat!  And like other music sites you can post media content such as video and updates (shows/events).  This is the sort of site I've been looking for :-)

    Wanting to branch out, I recently searched for similar sites and came across; Jango

    Then there's another site; Bebo  unlike radio sites (Jango and Last.FM) at least it seems to be an improvement on MySpace.

    I've decided to hold on to my SC account, mostly for it's player which is OK and handy for easy-use on other sites, although it occasionally has loading issues I suppose it's good enough considering it's free.

    Anyway! I hope other sites will follow the same trend as Last.fm and Jango.  The idea of merging radio with artist/band music hosting is cool especially considering these sites pay royalties to the authors/writers.

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