Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1

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Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1

Hi Everyone,
 
I've recently built my first computer and was running Studio Ubuntu on it for awhile and did some recording with Ardour.  I got a little tired of the Ubuntu platform and there were some real limitations/stability issues with Ardour.  Plus, I bought an M-Audio M-Track Quad and it was not recognized by Linux...  Oops.
 
I've loaded up Windows 8.1 onto my computer and tried to install Pro Tools Express (came with the M-track) and I couldn't get it working.  After numerous attempts at gaining support, I tried downloading Pro Tools 11 trial - same problem, and they wouldn't support me.  That lead me to Sonar X2 trial.  Sonar seems to be working ok....  
 
So I'm looking for any input or experience you might be able to offer me.  I'd hate to buy something and have it not run on my system.  Do any of you run Sonar X3 on Windows 8.1?  Could there be something wrong with the hardware computer build?  M-Audio interfaces on Sonar?  Anything that you can see wrong with my set-up would be appreciated!  Or just your thoughts...
 
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    Re: Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1 2014/01/03 14:17:29 (permalink)
    Some folks work fine in 8.1, and some have horrific tales of woe.
     
    Do your homework on your drivers, software, and make sure it all works PRIOR to jumping to 8.1 - my opinion.  I am currently running on Windows 8 and plan to LIKELY make the jump to 8.1 in a couple of weeks, after finishing a couple of projects and completing the research into MY environment and the impact of Windows 8.1 on it.
     
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    Re: Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1 2014/01/03 14:23:35 (permalink)
    Thanks Bob...  I'm already running windows 8.1 because that was all I could find at the local stores (and I didn't think much of it until I bought it and found that people were experiencing horror stories).  
     
    I guess what I'm asking is, what should I be looking for while researching?  This is also a part of the prior research - trying to get others experiences with 8.1.  
     
    The M-Audio Quad seems to work fine using Audacity...  Does that mean I'm ok there?  Beyond that - it's Sonar.  That's really the only two things that I need to work.  Right?  I'm a newbie on the digital home studio scene...  I'm going to be running mostly microphones on acoustic instruments.  Maybe down the road I might experiment with a midi controller of some sort - but that's not my primary purpose for this setup.
     
    Let me know what you think.
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    Re: Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1 2014/01/03 15:27:13 (permalink)
    For me (as a novice user (n00b)) of any type of DAW I found X3 (and X2) a real learning curve - first couple of weeks was really frustrating, I expected my devices to work on plugging them in. 
     
    There is a fair bit of messing around before I felt comfortable with the preferences setup.  Once that was established, all the routing was so confusing, though much to lots of help from others here in the forum and also lots of reading and watching vids, I think I've progressed and making some use of Sonar. 
     
    I think I would have had the same experiences with any other DAW though (I did mess around with Cubase in the past, (some years back I come across some hacked version using some kind of virtual driver key, O2 or something) and found similar frustrations at the beginning too.
     
    So I would recommend keeping it simple to start with and build on it as you gain more confidence with Sonar...
     
    Your probably best to go with Sonar Producer too and later you may want to get full version of some of the Light Editions that are bundled...
     
    Edit: BTW don't be afraid of Windows 8.1, it's awesome, just make sure to keep it up-to-date using windows update - its been very stable, better than windows 7 infact..
     
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    Re: Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1 2014/01/03 15:36:32 (permalink)
    Thanks Jim,
     
    I understand learning the software will come with a bit of a headache.  I think my Linux debachal was a good intro to DAWs though... We'll see.  
     
    You mentioned that I should go with the Producer Bundle...  Is it that much better than the Studio version?  It's quite a bit more expensive.  Seemed to me that it had most of the same features but also Addictive Drums and Lounge Lizard - which I probably won't use...  At least not for now.
     
    There are more ProChannels - what are those?  Do you think I will need more than two?
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    Re: Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1 2014/01/03 15:54:19 (permalink)
    TH2 in Studio has no pedal effects where Producer has them with some additional amps. The full version of TH2 would cost you more or just around the same price of Producer would cost. There are some "Pro" bundles included in Producer where in Studio there are "LE" bundled in...
     
    The ProChannels I haven't even begun to look at that yet - just seems terribly complicated, but will get there one day though ;)

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    Re: Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1 2014/01/03 16:05:56 (permalink)
    Hmmm....  That's a good point.  I'm not sure I'd even use those though...  Or at least not initially.  I think I'd rather save the $300 up front and regret it later rather than the other way around.  Right now, I'm really just doing acoustic tracking and mastering.  Maybe trying to tackle micing a drummer for my band.
     
    I was actually thinking about the bare bones x3, but I really wanted to try the Nomad plugins and the jump to Studio wasn't as big. 
     
    Jim, what operating system are you using?
     
     
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    Re: Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1 2014/01/03 16:20:25 (permalink)
    I had 8 when I purchased my notebook and upgraded to 8.1. As someone mentioned already make sure your device drivers are up-to-date for the M-Audio stuff you have.
     
    It's all I can share from a novice perspective, maybe others can share from their own perspectives too..
     
    Like I said it is frustrating to begin with and then you get the idea you need to do lots of reading and learning before you get anything down.  Once you get there you begin to look at effects and stuff and find you shop around for more of the plug-ins...
     
    All in all its all good, I find the forum here very responsive and friendly and sometimes I feel I over step my mark but try to participate too best I can.  I just do it for the fun - although sometimes I could be banging my head against a brick wall..

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    Re: Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1 2014/01/03 16:45:52 (permalink)
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    Hmmm....  That's a good point.  I'm not sure I'd even use those though...  Or at least not initially.  I think I'd rather save the $300 up front and regret it later rather than the other way around.  Right now, I'm really just doing acoustic tracking and mastering.  Maybe trying to tackle micing a drummer for my band.


    The audio engine is the same between versions and you can always upgrade your version later on as well. Studio will probably fit your needs perfectly fine. Does the M-Audio have drivers specifically for 8.1? That is the only possible concern that comes to mind for hardware.

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    Re: Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1 2014/01/03 17:11:24 (permalink)
    I would advise getting X3 Producer. Yes its initial cost is a consideration but you get a lot for the money. Most important is the full compliment of Pro Channel modules that will show off the beauty of it. How it really brings Sonar into a new and better sounding realm. Studio is Sonar but its not that much different from most of the other good DAWs out there. Producer is really the one to get.    

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    Re: Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1 2014/01/03 20:48:13 (permalink)
    If your M-Audio interface is working well with Audacity there is a very good chance that it will work with Sonar. The issue with Win 8.1 is typically drivers, but that is an OS issue most often, and not application specific.
     
    X3 Producer is a cheap way to buy a bundle of synths and effects. If you are not using synths or effects, it is probably not worth it to pay the higher price. If you are just trying to record, Audacity is pretty good for an unbeatable price. If you want to do heavy editing and massaging of your sound, then a more complete suite will show its value in time. The synths bundled with Producer are fantastic, but if you are just doing audio recording and editing, they are of no real value to you. The producer effects are good, but until you have some experience with using effects, the simpler ones in the lightweight versions will be good enough to start learning what they do and make some more than decent music. Starting simple and moving up when you actually have the need is a good way to get into the program. If you find you can't stand to use Sonar, it is less painful to write off a smaller investment, and if you find you love it, and learn to appreciate what you will get with Producer, you can justify more money on the next version.
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    Re: Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1 2014/01/03 23:08:19 (permalink)
    It's a personal choice, but I agree with slartabartfast.  Start small and work your way up.  As an amateur I started with Home Studio (years ago) and then, since Cakewalk has always had a good upgrade program, worked my way up to Studio.  There is a learning curve so, in my view, it's better to buy a more affordable package and then invest in a copy of Sonar Power. 
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    Re: Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1 2014/01/04 00:42:40 (permalink)
    Well, it all has to do w/ what you intend to do.  Recording - the $99 version will do.  However, if you plan on mixing, the Pro bundles a lot of good tools.  At some point you'll want an 1176 comp.  A comp to use on the bus.  Good EQ.  Good reverb.  SONAR Pro will give you all those at a good price.
     
    If you are into synths, the cost/benefit relationship is even better w/ Pro.  Rapture, DimPro and Z3TA are all first class synths and will keep you busy for a long time.
     
    So it all depends upon what you see yourself doing.  If you ain't sure, get SONAR X3 (the $99 version) and see what you end up doing.  It would be cheaper to get the Pro version if you start mixing, but even w/ the cheaper versions Cake lets up upgrade inexpensively.
     
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    Re: Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1 2014/01/04 05:30:22 (permalink)
    BTW - the only down side of upgrading to win 8.1 that I can think of is you must login to your MS Account to use SkyDrive, you can't use your local account to you SkyDrive, unless you install 3rd party tool that maps your SkyDrive as a Network Drive.

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    Re: Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1 2014/01/04 06:09:54 (permalink)
    I also want to upgrade to producer just for the extra synths, but I'll wait until I am proficient at using them. I also have some old PC hardware lying around that still needs to be ebayed that can cover the final upgrade cost, so I'll start trying to do that.

    I started with MC6 for £35, then the base X3 upgrade was just £39.99, so that was £10 less than buying it as a new customer. Then I had the £10 voucher that got me X3 studio down to £64.99, but finally producer costs a huge £239, so buying that this year instead of more computer upgrades is the plan. And I didn't want to miss out on the Melodyne editor offer either, that was another £125.

    Still a lot less than Pro Tools though, and X3 looks fantastic and has a very modern UI.

    I learnt that just trying to record onto audio tracks didn't work well for me, it took me too many takes and there were too many inaccuracies, and I wanted midi editing and accuracy, and the synths are really good, but just take a while to learn.
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    Re: Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1 2014/01/04 06:34:03 (permalink)
    Sonars Pro Channel is what we used to call a channel strip on old analog desks. It is like a very tightly integrated fx bin in each channel and can have some very specially created plugins installed. They have low CPU overhead and are available on each channel and can be completely hidden. It's worth the cost of admission to any Sonar version that includes it. Some of the Pro channel modules are extra purchases and not included, not even with. Producer.

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    Re: Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1 2014/01/04 09:36:59 (permalink)
    Windows 8 was on my laptop when I purchased it. I updated to 8.1 yesterday and everything is better than fine! Seems like 8.1 is a bit snappier. The only issue I had was after the update my XLN products, Addictive Drums and Addictive Keys snapped back into demo mode and had to be re-registered. I just went to the XLN site and removed the laptop in my account that just upgraded, re-ran the XLN installer and re-registered the new computer number and I was good to go.
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    Re: Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1 2014/01/15 11:08:05 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the input!
     
    I went with Sonar X3 Studio.  I am very pleased, but I'm starting to notice that there are key items I'm missing from the producer version...
     
    What's strange is that on the box, it says that I only have two ProChannels, but I've been able to add more than that...  Which is cool because I love them!  I wish I had the Analog Tape Module and the Vocal Stripper but beyond that, I'm pretty satisfied with what it has to offer and it's strong enough to suit my current needs.
     
    Works like a charm on Windows 8.1! 
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    Re: Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1 2014/01/16 06:38:22 (permalink)
    It means you have 2 of the 8 ProChannel modules that are available from Cakewalk. You can use the ProChannel on every track of a project.

    To buy the modules separately would cost nearly as much as the upgrade to X3Producer.

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    Re: Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1 2014/01/16 07:08:59 (permalink)
    Ahhh...  But I seem to have lots of ProChannel Modules - definitely more that two. I have the Console Emulator, Breverb, Compression, Saturation, EQ - perhaps some others that I haven't used.
     
    Besides the Tape Emulator - what's missing?  It does seem that there are some functions missing - like the spectrum analysis in the EQ, that sucks!  Big time...  Almost a deal breaker for me because there is no spectrum analysis at all in the Studio version.
     
    I'll probably end up upgrading at some point.
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    Re: Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1 2014/01/16 13:59:23 (permalink)
    According to this chart - http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/ the three Pro Channel related things you're missing in X3 Studio are:
     
    Tape Emulator
    Console Emulator
    QuadCurve EQ Zoom and Analyzer
     
     
    And yes, that last one is a very nice feature.  
     

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    Re: Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1 2014/01/16 17:01:09 (permalink)
    During the X3c hub-bub, folks recommended Voxengo's SPAN (free) as a spectrum analyzer alternative. I have since been using it a lot at various pathing points to check spectrums.

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    Re: Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1 2014/01/17 09:27:44 (permalink)
    Awesome Mettelus - I'm totally going to check it out. 
     
    @stevec - I have the Console Emulator...  Seems they have some misinformation on their site.  Quadcurve works, but I can't zoom in and don't have the spectrum analyzer. 
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    Re: Thinking of Purchasing Sonar X3 - Appreciate your input - Windows 8.1 2014/01/17 12:01:12 (permalink)
    I've been wondering whether to upgrade from my X-2 as well. A helpful thread.
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