Thinking of Switching to Mac, But Sonar is for Windows...

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2012/11/18 16:39:09 (permalink)

Thinking of Switching to Mac, But Sonar is for Windows...

I've Been looking at upgrading my mobile setup, and I'm thinking of getting a MacBook Pro. However, I recently noticed that Sonar X2 is windows only. I havn't upgraded to it yet from x1, and I'm not sure if I should. Is there a way that I could run Sonar on a mac or should I just switch to another DAW?
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    bapu
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    Re:Thinking of Switching to Mac, But Sonar is for Windows... 2012/11/18 16:49:52 (permalink)
    This is always a funny question to me.

    IMO, the choice is really yours and seems pretty straightforward.

    If SONAR X2 is your DAW of choice then find the mobile rig that will run it to meet your needs. They are out there,

    If MacBook is your platform/computer of choice then get a DAW that is made for it and meets your needs. They are out there.

    Ever since X1 (IIRC) bootcamp is no longer a viable option to run SONAR on a Mac.

    HTH.


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    Re:Thinking of Switching to Mac, But Sonar is for Windows... 2012/11/18 17:37:55 (permalink)
    bapu



    Ever since X1 (IIRC) bootcamp is no longer a viable option to run SONAR on a Mac.

    HTH.

    Yes We Can. ;)


    http://blog.cakewalk.com/...-on-a-mac-yes-you-can/


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    Re:Thinking of Switching to Mac, But Sonar is for Windows... 2012/11/18 17:41:51 (permalink)
    If you already own Sonar, I'd give it a try using Bootcamp.

    If it doesn't work to your liking, there are other options. I'm a huge fan of Logic - running Apple software on Apple's hardware, the most trouble-free rig I've ever owned (and one of the most powerful DAW software out there). 

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    Re:Thinking of Switching to Mac, But Sonar is for Windows... 2012/11/18 18:54:58 (permalink)
    Well, the problem I have is that I really do like Sonar and I do not want to switch, but I want to get a mac. I was thinking that I might just get logic or Pro Tools for the mac and keep a high powered Windows machine for the desktop to run Sonar to do the "real work." Although I would like to just run sonar on a laptop. I just want something that is portable and reliable, and preferably Sonar-ish.
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    Re:Thinking of Switching to Mac, But Sonar is for Windows... 2012/11/18 19:00:18 (permalink)
    I think it's worth giving the Bootcamp/Sonar option a try. 

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    Re:Thinking of Switching to Mac, But Sonar is for Windows... 2012/11/18 20:21:33 (permalink)
    But when I think about it, that kinda defeats the purpose of getting a mac. My purpose is to get a stable OS for audio, and boot camp would just make it like a Windows laptop. In that case I should just get a Windows Laptop. I'm thinking of getting Logic and Mainstage for the mac book for live performance, and then keep a windows rig at home for Sonar. I looked at Pro Tools and Cubase, and I really don't want to switch to them.
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    Re:Thinking of Switching to Mac, But Sonar is for Windows... 2012/11/18 20:33:55 (permalink)
    Rain


    If you already own Sonar, I'd give it a try using Bootcamp.

    If it doesn't work to your liking, there are other options. I'm a huge fan of Logic - running Apple software on Apple's hardware, the most trouble-free rig I've ever owned (and one of the most powerful DAW software out there). 


    Rain - I checked out Logic 9 and was surprised how much it looks like X1 and X2 with the Arranger, Inspector, the list, the editor windows - same window management as the Sonar skylight interface.  Did Sonar get that look and feel from Logic?  Or did Logic get theirs from Sonar? 
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    Re:Thinking of Switching to Mac, But Sonar is for Windows... 2012/11/18 20:47:54 (permalink)
    AH..  Rather than just writing this all over again, please read my latest post on Renoise's Forum...   My sn is 2 daze j...  I am the 2nd post in the thread

    http://forum.renoise.com/...ps-for-it-but-so-what/

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    Re:Thinking of Switching to Mac, But Sonar is for Windows... 2012/11/18 21:10:40 (permalink)
    So your point is that I should not buy a mac because, looking at the future, Apple will cease to be the "name" for audio production?
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    Re:Thinking of Switching to Mac, But Sonar is for Windows... 2012/11/19 03:04:43 (permalink)
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    Rain - I checked out Logic 9 and was surprised how much it looks like X1 and X2 with the Arranger, Inspector, the list, the editor windows - same window management as the Sonar skylight interface.  Did Sonar get that look and feel from Logic?  Or did Logic get theirs from Sonar? 

    Logic, back in 2007 IIRC. Screen sets were also something that was first implement in Logic, way back in the early days. :)




    To the OP - you can't go wrong w/ Logic and Mainstage. Most of the guys I know who have laptops as part of their live rig (usually, keyboard players) are using MainStage. 

    I've used Logic on a MacBook Pro for over two years now, 5 or 6 days a week, usually 8 hours or more a day. Bought the MacBook, installed Logic and I was done. No optimization, no tweaks, no need to mess w/ the task manager and to kill processes running in the background or to worry about stuff loading at startup.... 


    The only times in two years where I actually had to think about technical/computer related-stuff is when running POD Farm, which is by all account one buggy piece of software on the Mac side, and when I first upgraded Kontakt to version 5. That one didn't play along well and it took a bit of tweaking.





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    Re:Thinking of Switching to Mac, But Sonar is for Windows... 2012/11/19 11:45:46 (permalink)

    You can try Parallels on your Mac. Then you can run both environments at the same time in the same space. I have a few Windows only programs I run (I haven't installed Sonar) and it works great...the 2 environments run in the same space.

    I didn't want to turn my MacBook Pro into a Windows machine either with Bootcamp...I am very happy with the setup and it works flawlessly.

    HTH

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    Re:Thinking of Switching to Mac, But Sonar is for Windows... 2012/11/19 16:28:10 (permalink)
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    You can try Parallels on your Mac. Then you can run both environments at the same time in the same space. I have a few Windows only programs I run (I haven't installed Sonar) and it works great...the 2 environments run in the same space.

    I didn't want to turn my MacBook Pro into a Windows machine either with Bootcamp...I am very happy with the setup and it works flawlessly.

    HTH

    Dave

    Exactly my point. However, Doesn't parallels not allow as much system resources for the program you are running? I. E. Sonar would crash often?

    Edit: And also, how would that work with installing VSTs? Wouldn't they have to bee installed under parallels? It doesn't sound like it would work to well, and would consume a lot of system resources.
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    Re:Thinking of Switching to Mac, But Sonar is for Windows... 2012/11/19 18:18:34 (permalink)
    You can allocate as much resources as you want/need. How would that differ from Bootcamp? You would install both Sonar and VST's under Parallels (actually on the OS you installed on Parallels). Not sure how it would be any different than installing on a Windows machine but then again, I haven't tried this setup.

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    Re:Thinking of Switching to Mac, But Sonar is for Windows... 2012/11/19 18:33:37 (permalink)
    You would still be running Windows - side by side w/ OS X. I personally wouldn't opt for that (or even bootcamp) unless theres something on the PC platform which you really want to run on your MacBook. And if it's all that important, you may be better simply buying a PC laptop.

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    Re:Thinking of Switching to Mac, But Sonar is for Windows... 2012/11/19 18:38:39 (permalink)
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    You can allocate as much resources as you want/need. How would that differ from Bootcamp? You would install both Sonar and VST's under Parallels (actually on the OS you installed on Parallels). Not sure how it would be any different than installing on a Windows machine but then again, I haven't tried this setup.

    Well it seems like it would lead to latency issues, especially with using an audio interface. Macs are known for their better use of audio than windows, and using windows over mac via parallels seems to defeat the purpose, even if it saves Sonar. I'm just wondering if parallels would complicate things to much, instead of just using boot camp. Then again, maybe I should just get a cross platform DAW like Cubase or PT for using mac. I really don't want to switch though. I like the idea, but I'm not so sure if it is practical.
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    Re:Thinking of Switching to Mac, But Sonar is for Windows... 2012/11/19 19:12:49 (permalink)
    You know, assuming that you may need an audio interface for your laptop, there's pretty good chances that you could find one that comes w/ a light version of software (most of the time, cross-platform) like Pro Tools, Cubase or Studio One.

    If you don't need a full blown DAW, any of these might work for you.
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    Re:Thinking of Switching to Mac, But Sonar is for Windows... 2012/11/19 21:52:14 (permalink)
    I think that I am going to go with Logic or reaper for the mac side and then use bootcamp/sonar or parallels/sonar. I don't think i'll get mainstage because it doesn't look like it really need it. Any way, my ideal setup seems to be Macbook Pro 13", RME Babyface, Reaper/Logic (With Sonar in it's special situation). Any comments or critiques to this that I might regret?
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    Re:Thinking of Switching to Mac, But Sonar is for Windows... 2012/11/19 21:55:03 (permalink)
    Frankly if I wanted a computer and my goal was to run Sonar, I would definitely buy a PC. I would not try to make it work on a Mac. The Mac is a terrific machine but if I was still using mostly Windows based stuff, I'd have a Windows machine. The good news is that almost all software have Mac versions available nowadays. We know Sonar doesn't have one and there doesn't appear to be any plans in the near future, which is fine.

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    Re:Thinking of Switching to Mac, But Sonar is for Windows... 2012/11/19 23:59:20 (permalink)
    Something I wouldn't have thought I'd ever say...

    You're buying a new Mac, meaning it'll run the latest OS (Mountain Lion). Personally, I haven't upgraded the OS - neither to Lion last year, neither to Mountain Lion this year, and Logic is as stable as it gets. BUT, a lot of the complaints I've heard seem to come from people who were using the latest OS. It may or may not be related, but it's an impression I have.

    Apple adresses most of these w/ free Logic updates, but, I guess there are limits to the adjustments you can make to an application that's been out for over 3 years after the OS has changed radically a few times. 

    Anyway, since there's no demo of Logic, it'd already be a leap of faith to just buy it. Chances are it'll run perfectly fine but it may not suit your workflow or whatever. So maybe give Reaper a try first and see how you like it.
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    Re:Thinking of Switching to Mac, But Sonar is for Windows... 2012/11/20 01:39:51 (permalink)
    Any idea why logic is now $199 vs $399 a couple years ago? Besides that, I think i'll stick to this plan of Logic/Reaper and Sonar under parallels/boot camp. I'm going mac looking to the future, but this way I'll have windows just in case.
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    Re:Thinking of Switching to Mac, But Sonar is for Windows... 2012/11/20 02:36:01 (permalink)
    No idea. Logic used to be quite expensive - closer to $1000, so it's not the first price cut they do. 

    And they've cut the price for all their software. 

    It's a crowded market, and a tough one, I guess it was one way for them to position themselves advantageously. It's all downloadable, they save on the packaging too I guess. And you need to buy their hardware to run Logic. And once you buy one piece of hardware from them, well, it's much more convenient to buy your phone from them, and your tablet from them, and your next laptop from them, etc...

    Let's put it this way - Apple probably doesn't make as much money w/ Logic, but of all the DAW software manufacturers out there, they're probably the last one to need to worry about that.







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