Thinking of getting "Sound Toys" to go with X1B, any thoughts?

I've read a couple of good reviews of the Sound Toys products, and was thinking of adding them to my collection, but I'm always interested to get to get thoughts from others.
 
http://www.soundtoys.com/
 
Anyone usuing these, and if so what do you think?
 
Thanks,

i have been considering these for a while. most people seem to have great things to say about them, especially echoboy.

Great plugs. 
Lousy support. Don't hold your breath for x64

Well, I got a reply in less than 1 hour

We do plan to go 64bit as soon as possible, but do not yet have a release schedule.
Thanks,
Mitch Thomas
SoundToys

That's pretty good except of course we don't know when they will go 64 bit.   Maybe it's not a bad idea to wait though, I've already spent more than I should have this month.

The problems you mentioned have they been show stoppers, or just a slight annoyance.

Also, I think I will check out their videos thanks for the tip.

I use Echoboy in 64bit Sonar (htough not in an X1 project yet) and the gui glitches are more annoyance than show-stopper.

As for quality, it's the only digital effect I've yet found that comes close to the sound of the Electro-Harmonix Memory Man series. Not quite the same - but it's close (and it's in stereo). For digital stuff, SoundToys do sound remarkably analogue - far more so than anything by Line6 or NI in my opinion.

What they are not is ultra-clean and hi-fi sounding - which is exactly the point, of course.

Nope...if you run SoundToys in 64bit Sonar bridged with either BitBridge or JBridge you are going to get GUI anomalies.  These mainly consist of glitchy, hangups when trying to select presets or, occasionally, when setting new parameters using the onscreen controls.  Most of the time the plug itself won't crash but it is somewhat disconcerting and makes them problematic to use.  I love them but find myself NOT using them much due to these limitations.  Once they finish porting them to 64bit (ha ha ha ha ha...like that's ever gonna happen) everything should be just dandy.

I thought they sounded good, but I'm completely 64 bit at this point and wouldn't have it any other way. I was also turned off that different formats of the plug have different functions enabled.

If you want a good replacement for Echoboy, then you should demo Valhalla Ubermod. It sounds excellent, and does so much more.

As long they are in x32bit format stay away, Don't support them.. There are so many other plugins that are already in x64 that sounds so much better then soundtoys! Nomad Factory...iZotope ... Waves just to name a few

When I tried to use them in Sonar, I couldn´t render anymore, Sonar would crash..

Well cliffsp8, ol pal, I don't want you to take this the wrong way but I could kiss yor ol self right about now.  And give ya a big ol hug too!  And buy ya a damn drink!!  Thank you...thank you...thank you!  I've got my SoundToys back!!  They're usable again.  Jimeny-Christmas-On-A-Dang-Soda-Cracker!!  I'd tried using JBridge over BitBridge every time there was an update to it.  But it never changed a dang thing.  Browsing for presets would still hang the plug and it would still hang sometimes when turning knobs and such.  Screw it, I had said to myself.  I just can't use my beloved SoundToys till the dimwits port up to 64 bit.  I had never even looked at the settings menu or seen the "opcode error 19" instructions.  It's a wonder I can tie my own shoes.  And, truth be told, I sometimes don't bother. 

BUT IT WORKS!!!  As soon as I checked that little box in the settings menu of JBridge I could browse and tweak all I wanted with nary a hang or stutter.  I'm so giddy right now you might have to pour a glass a iced tea on me to get me to settle. 



I owe you one ol pal.  Thank you SO much.

Please, anyone else who's been goin crazy trying to use SoundToys in Sonar's 64bit environment...follow Cliff's advice above.  You'll be glad you did!

They are slower than most...but about the same as WAVES stuff.

Maybe, but none of my other iLok plugs take anything like as long.

Wow. Thanks for the heads up, Cliff. I'll have to download jbridge and give it a try.

Does using jbridge also seem to get rid of some of the gui bugs - meters not working, etc???

I do know that loading projects with multiple instances (in Sonar x86) of Soundtoys does seem to take longer for me, too.

You really should Jon, ol pal.  It's like a miracle.  Since throwing the "opcode error 19" switch I have had zero problems with my beloved SoundToys.  My only problem now will be not to overuse them;-)