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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/10 01:56:39 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2015/03/10 02:24:51
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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/10 11:10:40 (permalink)
Nice!! Forget the Marshall, what you need is a vintage Fender Showman! (or a Twin Reverb).
 
I love the tone. Dick Dale meets Sergio Leone meets Neil Young.
 
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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/10 11:23:05 (permalink)
I liked it too Rain.......I also like the not overly mixed sounds that's just recorded well.......give's it a more "live" feel to it. You should work on it some more and offer it (for a price) to a movie/tv production company.

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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/10 11:49:57 (permalink)
I think we should start a collection to get Rain some more Coronas. 

 
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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/10 12:36:28 (permalink)
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Thanks Beep! You know, I've come to the sad realization that most of the time, the more I try to mix, the more I screw up things. :P
 
And you're correct - unfortunately, no Cakewalk products were used. Though I do own all their synths, 2 of them no longer work on OSX and Z3ta has authorization issues for which we're waiting a fix. Not that it would have been susceptible of being used in such a cut.
 
The plugs list:
 
EZ Drummer
Kontakt player for the bass track (because I was too lazy to re-track it)
Logic's Classic Organ
Lexicon PCM Reverb on a buss
IK's Fairchild on the stereo buss to glue things up
Waves L1 for the final mixdown
A very few bands of EQ here and there, using Logic's own EQ.
 
Various guitars all recorded DI with the POD HD300.
 
No compression, no fancy processing, some very crude volume automation in 2 or 3 spots.




Seems you've made some very good choices for your outboard guitar gear which shines on this. That's something I really need to work on. My gear is okay but if I could just squeak out a bit of extra money I think I could really get my input sounding much better. About a grand would probably do it if I watch for specials or used stuff. A proper Gibson tone guitar like the ES style I keep talking about or maybe another SG, a simple but decent tube amp like a Champ or a quality emulator amp like that Yamaha THR-10 that came out a few years back (although I wish it had more output options), at least one really good mic for vox and general usage (SM7B would be nice) and maybe repair some of the classics I have that are toast (I have a 57 that's borked and a couple 58's that aren't all they could be). I need to get my bass pickup fixed too because the case/housing is busted so I can't screw down one side which a) keeps the input from the strings uneven and b) forces me to raise the action higher than I'd like to avoid having the strings hit it causing pops (very annoying). Actually I'd like to see if maybe they could put a classic single coil at the neck (like what I have now) and then maybe an active one closer to the fretboard so I can have the old P-Bass sound and a more modern sound.
 
Ideally if I could drop 2 grand into outboard stuff I would be freaking laughing because all the in the box stuff I have seems to be more than capable of doing everything I need for the foreseeable future. Hoping some stuff I'm working on right now will pay off over the next year or so to make all that happen or I can at least get into a cheaper apartment and toss a bit of money at these things a little bit at a time.
 
One thing I will NOT do is go into debt for it though. The universe will provide when it thinks I'm ready and it forces me to really learn to use what I've got.
 
hmm... bit of a blather there but it's fun to think about and writing it down helps me plan future investments.
 
Anyway... in regards to the bass tone that was one part of the mix that stood out to me and sounded slightly synthy/out of place for such a pure wood and steel/flesh and nail performance. I think I've seen you mention you have Zeta and that it works cross platform. There is a patch in there called Alembic Bass that I really like and I think it sounds very very natural. I haven't used it for a while so maybe I'm remembering it wrong but I was using it to construct a "jam" project with. Essentially the project was just a bunch of standard blues and jazz beats and basslines that I could loop and practice improvising over and that patch worked REALLY well.
 
Not sure if it is in the Classic Zeta Content or the Zeta+2 stuff but it's worth a look. I was surprised to find such a natural sounding patch amongst all the crazy, mind melty synth sounds but there it was.
 
Obviously due to Bapuisms around here it immediately drew my attention which lead me to try it.
 
Cheers.
 
Edit: Actually it may be called "Picked Alembic". If I fire up the rig later I'll check.
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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/10 15:04:15 (permalink)
Hey
I am glad I listened.....sounded great! Even on crappy ol ear buds.................

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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/10 15:13:34 (permalink)
Beeps
 
Now that you mention your SG....I need to get mine fixed.....It was the first "real" electric guitar I purchased after my Sears Silvertone.....the finger Killer!!!!
 
i have and never will sell my SG.....I love it so much...It is a very...very ...very early 70's model in walnut and with a Bigsby.....
 
A few years back I was tring to get the bridge fixed and the shop that had it for what ever reason just would not fix it....they had it for several months so I finally got so frustrated with them that I went over and got it and never went back.....and it never got fixed........Man I hate that!

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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/10 15:43:02 (permalink)
@Truckermusic... Sadly I sold my early-mid 70's reissue of the 60's era SG Deluxe (or whatever it was... I didn't care she just played nice). She was a beautiful, crisp, fast and light guit I could use for pretty much anything. I put that axe through hell and took it thousands of miles onto dozens (if not a hundred) stages in the relatively short time I owned it.
 
Thing is I've always owned and used beater gear due to the aggressiveness of my playing the audience it was directed to. Kind of like beater cars you drive into the ground. I tried to take good care of it but it was very hard in those environments and there were quite a few catastrophic events caused by the audience, in the back of vans or by me getting a little too "theatrical" on stage. Really quite surpising how well that guit put up with the abuse thrown at it. It was REALLY light and the wood was dry due to it's age but took some hard bashing and held together better than other, more thick/solid axes I've owned.
 
I had however crushed the nut (for some reason I seemed to always crush guitar nuts on everything I owned... not doing that anymore but it was a real problem), cracked the body (which I actually managed to repair in a very unorthodox way I won't share because it would make people cringe but it was brilliant and funny), the electronics were getting corroded, the original machine heads were popping/dying one by one, etc... so I sold it to somebody willing to invest in the repairs it needed (who then found a less psychotic and abusive buyer so hopefully she's in a better home now). I got a fair price considering and although I do miss her it just wasn't a very practical guitar for me back then nor do I think it really would be for me now that I've mellowed (not by choice) and only play quietly in a dark little room by myself.
 
Whoever has that old SG got a REALLY nice axe with a lot of special character, war wounds and mileage. I hope they appreciate it.
 
As far as future purchases of SG's... I've owned a few now (mostly Epis) and they seem to be the easiest for me to play and the sound is usually right in the range I like to get. Nice, bright midrange with just enough meat. They are also ridiculously light which is easy on my back and the thin neck (but reasonably wide fretboard) let's me doing all my crazy hand twisting chord stuff. The thin neck + neckthrough let's me do the dastardly Beeps tremolo too because I dislike whammy bars and all the maintenance bullpizzle that comes along with them. I used to do calculated full tone drops by grabbing the headstock and reefing on it and would do vibrato stuff on chords  just wobbling the neck. Can't do that crap with bolt ons.
 
Man... I need another Gibby.
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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/10 15:44:34 (permalink)
Thanks fellows!

Beep - I do have a Squier bass here, equipped w/ flat wounds, so I could technically record a proper bass track. I was just so focused on wrapping up everything as quickly as possible that I did not bother. 
 
You know, the funny thing is that the guitar that works best for the kind of stuff is the good old Epiphone Les Paul Standard. I do have a Traditional, with "better" pick ups (or at least, they have better definition) but the Standard has a certain type of mids that just fit the bill better than anything else. 
 
I've been wanting a Gretsch for the longest time, but in the absence of it, I now know that that LP is the best tool I have at my disposition. 
 
The Gibson SG has even "better" pick ups, and that guitar just cuts through a mix like nothing else, but I couldn't lay proper foundation for this type of track with it. So it was LP Standard for the most part, overdubbed w/ the SG for some more clarity.
 
The Riviera (ES-type) was actually only used as an afterthought, for the big Em drenched in reverb because I needed the Bigsby to do that cliché type of thing. 
 
The real reason behind this is that I needed to cover up for the other guitars in the chorus which were cut a bit short before the second verse. And I was so focused on finishing the cut that I didn't want to re-track - I envisioned it as an engineer who's left with the tracks as is and needs to make something out of it. So I plugged the Riviera and recorded that one chord.
 
It's kind of cheesy so I thought it was okay for it to really stand out rather than try to blend in.
 
Julien - Yeah, I guess eventually I would need a big old Fender, at least for this type of stuff. But that's only part of what I do - trust me, the Marshall will get plenty of use here. We also want to do something that's more metal oriented, and I have my own other projects.
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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/10 15:57:02 (permalink)
This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's
 
Apostrophes start appearing everywhere?
Cool song. What organ did you use?

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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/10 16:16:45 (permalink)
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This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's
 
Apostrophes start appearing everywhere?
Cool song. What organ did you use?




:P
 
Logic's own.

 
I try to stick with my bundled plug-ins and instruments as much as I can most of the time, though I still use EZ/SD every now and then, and a few Kontakt instruments which I haven't had the heart to resample.

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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/10 16:28:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2015/03/10 16:35:17
Oh don't get me wrong. Sounds brilliant, Rain and the bass is fine as is. With stuff that sounds so together like this my ear tends to drift toward minutia. I even do it with full production releases (even of my favorite albums/mixes). Ask Baps. I probably drove him nuts on that last CHC thing we did. lulz
 
Too bad I don't actually know what heck I'm doing. I might actually get my own mixes sounding proper otherwise.
 
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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/10 16:31:33 (permalink)
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57Gregy
This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's
 
Apostrophes start appearing everywhere?
Cool song. What organ did you use?




:P
 
Logic's own.

 
I try to stick with my bundled plug-ins and instruments as much as I can most of the time, though I still use EZ/SD every now and then, and a few Kontakt instruments which I haven't had the heart to resample.




 
 
That was weird. Posted the quote but not what I wrote, which was "I have no logic. One of these days I'm going to spring for a good B3 VST".

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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/10 16:41:19 (permalink)
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Oh don't get me wrong. Sounds brilliant, Rain and the bass is fine as is. With stuff that sounds so together like this my ear tends to drift toward minutia. I even do it with full production releases (even of my favorite albums/mixes). Ask Baps. I probably drove him nuts on that last CHC thing we did. lulz
 
Too bad I don't actually know what heck I'm doing. I might actually get my own mixes sounding proper otherwise.
 
;-)




I have tons of crappy mixes on my HD.
 
 
Mixing traditional type of music (drums, bass, guitars, keys and such) is the hardest thing for me - no matter what Dave Pensado says. From rock and roll to metal, it's always a big challenge to get something to sound even just half-decent.
 
But sometimes, a thingie like this just puts itself together, and kind of works because it's just so primitive, in a early 60's sort of way. When I finished this one, I was actually thinking of the first couple of Beatles records. Nothing fancy, you just record the sound you want, balance them a bit and push everything through the buss, hoping for the best. There's a sort of randomness in what stands out at what time, and which instrument cast shadows at a certain time over the rest of them, which I sometimes like.
 
Otherwise, my own weird stuff is just so out there, written with such very specific sounds that it has to work. The mix is in the actual arrangement. 
 
 

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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/10 16:47:36 (permalink)
57Gregy
 
  
That was weird. Posted the quote but not what I wrote, which was "I have no logic. One of these days I'm going to spring for a good B3 VST".




Saw that, yes.
 
I do own NI's Classic Organs for Kontakt, which sound quite okay. I bought it a few years ago, because the old Logic organ UI was so crowded and un-user-friendly, that for such an incompetent as myself, it wasn't very inspiring, and if I couldn't find a preset that I liked, I was practically stuccoed because tweaking that thing was the last thing I wanted.
 
NI's has interesting sounds and works w/ the free Kontakt Player.
 
 

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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/10 17:42:05 (permalink)
This is what happened when I had few too many Amber Beers. I craved pizza. That made me look up pizza crust recipes. I made a pizza. Then I kept making pizzas! Now the Doctors says I can't have pizzas cuz of some blood test! 

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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/10 18:46:11 (permalink)
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Excellent! Definite movie soundtrack sound. Glad to finally hear you play. 


great to see some bi-partisanship here.
mucho corona por favour 
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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/10 21:15:01 (permalink)
I found a SOLUTION!
 
 
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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/10 22:01:18 (permalink)
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 I wouldn't discard it too soon.

I'm with Ken here. This is a killer groove.
You can blame it on the Corona, but I'd blame it on the Riv, too.
This is where she wants to be.
And yes, it's nice to finally hear you play.
Good stuff, buddy.

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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/12 08:48:38 (permalink)
You should drink enough Coronoa's to make an album. Just saying.... it's pretty cool! Love the laid back vibe

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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/14 14:15:21 (permalink)
Thanks guys. 
 
I always have the worst complexes when it comes to my playing - actually, I practically gave up playing altogether for almost 10 years, and focused on writing, as I do see myself more like a songwriter. 
 
It's also intimidating at times when you're surrounded by extremely talented and skilled people. A lot of the friends I've met through my wife just assumed that I was in the same league as them, and it's kind of lame to have to try and set things straight, you know. 
 
But I've been getting back to it, trying to improve a bit. I still feel the most comfortable just playing the blues but I'm learning to try different languages, and generally, just to let go and be myself. 
 
I'm 42, I can't really hold back from things much longer, and I'll never be Yngwie or Danzi. So I've started putting myself out a bit, if only to break that assumption my entourage has that I must be on the same type of level as my wife.
 
Here's a little 40 seconds snippet I did for fun last night - just me rehearsing and warming up to a back up track I made. To me it's just derivative of basic blues, only, w/ a lot of gain.
 

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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/14 17:26:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2015/03/14 17:41:13
Wow, just think of how good you could be if you played the guitar with your correct hand! 
 


 
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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/14 17:37:36 (permalink)
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Wow, just think of how good you could be if you played the guitar with your correct hand! 
 





:P
 
I'm thinking that the big Marshall and the big Gibson Les Paul (which has just been okay-ed by my wife) should put some wind in my sail. Not that the Epiphone is bad, mind you. But some hotter, clearer pick ups would be nice, and playing through a POD is okay, but it doesn't give you that push that you get from a tube amp. 
 
 

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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/16 07:12:32 (permalink)
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Oh don't get me wrong. Sounds brilliant, Rain and the bass is fine as is. With stuff that sounds so together like this my ear tends to drift toward minutia. I even do it with full production releases (even of my favorite albums/mixes). Ask Baps. I probably drove him nuts on that last CHC thing we did. lulz
 
Too bad I don't actually know what heck I'm doing. I might actually get my own mixes sounding proper otherwise.
 
;-)




I have tons of crappy mixes on my HD.
 
 
Mixing traditional type of music (drums, bass, guitars, keys and such) is the hardest thing for me - no matter what Dave Pensado says. From rock and roll to metal, it's always a big challenge to get something to sound even just half-decent.
 
But sometimes, a thingie like this just puts itself together, and kind of works because it's just so primitive, in a early 60's sort of way. When I finished this one, I was actually thinking of the first couple of Beatles records. Nothing fancy, you just record the sound you want, balance them a bit and push everything through the buss, hoping for the best. There's a sort of randomness in what stands out at what time, and which instrument cast shadows at a certain time over the rest of them, which I sometimes like.
 
Otherwise, my own weird stuff is just so out there, written with such very specific sounds that it has to work. The mix is in the actual arrangement. 
 
 

That's the issue I think. Today with so many choices, decisions about a sound is left too long before becoming defined, also with regard to arrangement, it's so easy to cut, move and paste after recording that not enough decision making is made before hand. Then once it in the box we fiddle and diddle.

If we concentrate on arrangement and sound first we can get a lot more into the box that doesn't need to fixed or edited in the mix.

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Re: This is what happens when I have a few too many Corona's 2015/03/16 11:53:49 (permalink)
 
There is a lot of to be said for basic presentation - like this one Rain.  Many times we squeeze the life out of stuff trying to make it perfect.
 
We did a blues song but the guitarist didn't want a click track.  I added 4 bars of drum machine as a skeleton afterwards for the 2 guitars and bass and vocals the thing was all over the place - the tempo slide back and forth.  Different elements sounded either behind or in front of the drums.  I finally dropped them out and voilà, the tracks came together and it sounds great and even most musicians can't tell the tempo is so close and natural.  Live stuff slides around, but that is anathema to the DAW generation.
 
Just because it looks wrong and hits a 32th beat late going into the chorus doesn't mean it is wrong.  Not everything needs to sound like precious pop, esp. surf etc.
 
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