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2011/05/13 19:20:29 (permalink)

Thoughts on Lady Gaga?

I’d be interested in knowing what others here think of Lady Gaga.  I had no exposure to her music until HBO just aired the Monster Ball concert taped in Madison Square Garden.  Certainly I knew who she was ... you can’t go two days looking at cnn.com or huffingtonpost without seeing some story or another about her.
 
I found the performance fascinating.  No, it’s not my kind of music by any means, and I’d probably never play a CD by her if I even had one in the first place.  It’s not that she’s got a cute little ... er ... I mean that she’s a cute little lass.  Maybe I’m being fooled, but it seemed to me there are some mighty impressive vocal chops there to accompany her abundance of style (and although she’s probably no keyboard virtuoso, she certainly doesn’t embarrass herself in that department).  I do suspect she was lip syncing during some of the dancing moments ... she could not talk without panting a bit when these were over.  Don’t feel cheated in this way, either.  I don’t think anyone could maintain breath control while engaging in some of the moves choreographed for her.  That’s all part of the show ... and I’m convinced she was at least lip syncing to her own recordings.
 
But I don’t think we were being treated to any pitch correction behind the scenes ... even though she was always without singing into a headset microphone.  But what do I know?  Curious as to what the experts think.
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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/13 19:23:06 (permalink)
    I'd say he's a hard worker who's making the most of his chance at stardom.


     
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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/13 20:33:53 (permalink)
    I, like you, wasn't really familiar with her as anything other than a media addiction.

    So I checked it out, but I really couldn't watch more than a little bit of the HBO thing before being disgusted by the lip synced spectacle of a stage show that's supposed to pass for music - I just have zero interest whatsoever in watching miming, dancing and costumes where it's like the music is incidental. Just not my thing. YMMV.

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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/13 20:38:44 (permalink)
    I think she's great. Works it all to the limit.

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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/13 22:34:50 (permalink)
    Co-incidentally she was on a popular UK talk show tonight and she mentioned the HBO thing.

    The theatre is very reminiscent of Madonna but she undoubtedly has so much more musicality in her little finger than Madge ever had by herself.  To me she is bordering on plug ugly but her attitude carries her above all that into another realm and she's definitely turned up for work every time I've seen her perform on TV.
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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/14 06:40:17 (permalink)
    I don't know anything about her music, but according to my opera-snob wife she's a rare occurrence that actually sings (without autotune) and writes her own music.  While taking her image cues from the EltonJohn/AliceCooper/FreddieMercury "Make a Spectacle" school.
    From what I know, she's worth more respect than 90% of the new people putting out records.

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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/14 07:52:55 (permalink)

    I think lady Gaga has got it going on.

    She seems to have lots of talent and lots of showmanship and an incredible drive for hard work.

    She does lots of work where she is really singing at the performance... I didn't see the HBO thing.

    She's pretty much incredible. Enjoy what you can... you will not experience many Lady GaGa's in your lifetime.


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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/14 08:06:31 (permalink)
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    I'd say he's a hard worker who's making the most of his chance at stardom.


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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/14 12:26:12 (permalink)
    Wouldn't go to see him/her if he/she were in my back garden personally. Well, I would, but only to tell him/her to get out of my garden. ;)
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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/14 12:36:19 (permalink)
    I completely agreee with most of you... I don't think I"ll ever buy and album,
    but that Monster Ball thing... serious entertainment.  Couldn't turn it off.

    There was no autotune (I can hear it a mile away).

    I don't think she was lip synching.  It is completely possible to sing that way in the middle of dancing where you breathe/sing in time with the music... when the music's over, you pant.  Kinda like being on the treadmill.  I didn't say I could do it, but it can be done.

    No she isn't he prettiest thing, but she DOES have some chops.  I can not deny that.  Hooks, chops and Balls.  Maybe not my cup of tea, but certainly a big cup of SOMETHING...

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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/14 12:48:20 (permalink)
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    To me she is bordering on plug ugly....

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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/14 12:54:58 (permalink)
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    I'd say he's a hard worker who's making the most of his chance at stardom.

    Ouch!
     
     
    First, I think like some above that she is a very dedicated, never take no for an answer, hard working person who is determined to be famous at all costs.  Of course, that's a double edged sword.  Second, she is neither all that talented or attractive...so what else is new in todays world?  Third, it is my belief using nothing more than my common sense and my knowledge of current live performance methodologies that anyone who thinks she doesn't lip sync at times during her very dance oriented show and/or use even a mild real time pitch correction is deluding themselves.  I don't care how young and in shape you are if you are doing strenous dance routines while singing it's going to show...I know because, strange as this may seem to most of you, I was young once and did exactly that 5 nights a week.  Perhaps it won't show as bad as the Britney Spears thing that Bitflipper put up not long back...but enough to notice with todays great live audio setups...but, again, what else is new?  Fourth, and finally, her music is, by any critical light (even a favorable one) banal.  Like most pop stars of our past or our future.  It's just the nature of the beast. 
     
     

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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/14 13:14:53 (permalink)
    I'd ask anyone who thinks Lady Gaga isn't talented if they have ever spent much time watching her perform before formulating their opinion.

    I'd also ask those same folks to consider how the effects of auto tuning differ when the process is actually used on someone who sings in tune compared to someone who simply can't sing.

    I'd also ask them to consider the idea that Lady Gaga is actually a real life songwriter and her singing career was kick started by performers who she wrote for who recognized that she has something worth listening too.


    If you saw this performance and want to insist that it's lip synced and auto tuned... then I'll just scratch my head.

    http://youtu.be/ehJ4PB5o6cA

    I feel lucky that I've worked with enough folks who can actually sing and play that I am not inclined to think that everyone needs to be backed up with fix it technology. :-)

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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/14 13:33:00 (permalink)
    You are probably right that I haven't seen enough of her performances to adequately judge her performance methods and abilities.  I have seen many of her youtube postings live and otherwise.  I also didn't say I "know" about her usage of lip synching or pitch correction...I only "believe" she uses them and to think otherwise might be naive at best.  I'm sorry but I have to stand by all my assesments there Mike, ol pal.  Judy Garland or Fred Astaire this girl ain't.  Not even close.  Just my opinion...and Selsun Blue works wonders for an itchy scalp:-)

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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/14 13:38:36 (permalink)
    For the record, I'd never heard any of his/her songs before Kroneborge talked about them last month so, to be fair, I checked some out and now have the Fame.  Several songs were very good and I STILL have them running through my head (though I could do without some of the lyrics and awful auto-tuned rap breaks - which are not done by her).

    Back in the 1980-83 time frame I was a DJ when Madonna first came out.  I see many similarities in terms of talent, willingness to put in a LOT of work, and over-the-top entertaining.  As for all the many gender bender, over-sexed, drugged out rumors that surround her, well that just helps sell records CD's doesn't it?

     
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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/14 13:42:30 (permalink)

    FWIW, I am sure she does some performances with lip sync and imagine she also uses auto tune.

    But I still think she has the goods... the same way I think you do... my olpal!!!

    But I also think highly of Judy Garland... I really like her later self propelled period a lot:

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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/14 14:27:07 (permalink)
    The song.  The arrangement.  The performance.  No gimmicks.  No fireworks.  No staging.  Just a microphone and a great bunch of musicians.  Brought a tear to my eye.  Honest.

    Thank you.  Thank you very much, ol pal.

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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/14 17:19:49 (permalink)
    I don't go out of my way to watch Gaga.... but living in the house with teenage daughters, it is assured that I will run into Gaga from time to time on the TV.

    I happened to watch American Idol the other night since this season, we have a local kid (Scotty) in the top remaining performers. Anyway, Gaga was the coaching artist, and the kids were watching a Gaga concert video. Gaga was singing and playing piano... no band, just her... and I must say, it was pretty good. She didn't have the butt ugly makeup on but did have a latex bikini, and as the song progressed, Gaga ruined it by standing on the piano bench..... but the first part was actually fairly impressive. She can sing and play well.

    I don't go in for all the other stuff she does in her videos and ...well... we'll leave it at that.

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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/15 16:20:17 (permalink)
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    I completely agreee with most of you... I don't think I"ll ever buy and album,
    but that Monster Ball thing... serious entertainment.  Couldn't turn it off.

    There was no autotune (I can hear it a mile away).

    I don't think she was lip synching.  It is completely possible to sing that way in the middle of dancing where you breathe/sing in time with the music... when the music's over, you pant.  Kinda like being on the treadmill.  I didn't say I could do it, but it can be done.

    No she isn't he prettiest thing, but she DOES have some chops.  I can not deny that.  Hooks, chops and Balls.  Maybe not my cup of tea, but certainly a big cup of SOMETHING...

    When I wrote the original post, I'd seen most but not all of the HBO show.  I watched the remainder last night.  During the credits, there was a balck and white segment of her doing a harmony check with her backup singers.  No individual microphones.  There was definitely no pitch correction happening.  She was dead on and amazing.
     
    But I'm still convinced nobody could do the dancing she was doing while singing live.  That said, I'm also pretty sure that some of the singing during less active moments was the real deal.
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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/15 16:44:41 (permalink)
    Again, I have not seen the television performance you reference but I'd caution everyone to remember that "you can fix it in post" too.  We have to do similar things quite ofted at our shop.  Again, not a slight, just a word of warning.  Have you ever seen any of the many videos that swirl in the bowl called YouTube where you get to hear the performance that went out after the tape was ready for air and the one before it went to post?  They are pretty grim.

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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/15 17:06:11 (permalink)
    I'm not trying to say anything specific but having been an athlete as a youngster I remember being in good enough shape to ride my bicycle at 28mph all day long while having a pleasant conversation with other riders.

    Many world class marathon runners can have a conversation while churning out 5 minute miles.

    The point I'm trying to make is that having the experience of having pogo-ed on stage for years in smoke filled bars may not prepare you to believe that someone can be in shape enough to dance and sing in a modern pop-dance production.

    A modern stage artist like Lady Gaga may actually train to be in shape for this sort of thing.

    I happen to believe it's possible.

    Julianna also suggests it's possible.

    I guess we need to find someone who is actually in the production to tell us if it is or isn't happening before any of us have a chance to know for sure.

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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/15 17:26:11 (permalink)
     
    I'm sat here watching her live performance now on BBC3 (part of Radio 1's Big Weekend)...
     
    I have to say, when you strip away the image and the hype BS, she's obviously a very talented young lady.
     
    And although it's not particularly my genre of choice, she's really going for it - great performance.
     
     
     
     
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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/15 18:22:35 (permalink)
    Hey Mike, you're quite right.  And I was one of those "in shape" folks you speak of.  Tho to look at me now... Whoa!  But, we didn't "pogo".  We were a fifties and sixties show group and we did two one hour shows of non-stop dance choreography and playing and singing with a one hour dance set in between.  And yea, we could do it without to much trouble...but...when I hear the old tapes of our live shows I can hear it.  Even what little there is.  When I see most of these types of big production things now I hear nothing but perfect pitch and balalnce between the lead singer(s) and the band.  Plus I hear instruments that are not on stage.  I'm not saying it CANT be done.  I'm saying it usually isnt. 
     
     
    Oh yea, I almost forgot.  The girls on the magazine covers don't look quite like their pictures either.  These days it's hard to trust anything you see or hear.  I've got a friend in video (which you might find interesting...as it may have happened to you too) who actually had a client bring in a tape for some forensic work and when it got to a certain point said to my friend (and here I paraphrase), "OK, now zoom in on the number showing on the phone"...  you know, like he'd seen on shows like CSI and such:-)
     
    But in the interest of at least the appearance of fairness to Ms. GaGa...could one of you link me to a performance where you think she's rockin it "old school"??
     
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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/15 18:34:00 (permalink)
    Who's number was it?

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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/15 19:01:06 (permalink)
    I could tell you Karyn, but then I'd have to kill you:-))

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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/15 19:27:55 (permalink)
    I'll get impaled for this, but in my opinion, Lady G is the new Michael Jackson minus the string of pop hits...but she DOES have some hits with hooks. A friend of mine actually grew up with her and said he still talks to her from time to time. She claimed she didn't use any lip sync or backing vocal tracks in her performance. One thing about Lady G from what I've seen, heard and read....is her honesty. She has no problems telling it like it is even if it makes her look bad. She's definitely one of the greatest entertainers of our time in my opinion even though some of her stuff is not to my liking.

    She does this one tune on the HBO special...she announces it as "a new one". Real rock oriented, starts with piano....and she plays and sings spot on and jumps all over that piano like a lunatic....and you can even hear the little clams she's playing on the piano because she's moving around like nuts and totally living it.

    As long as I don't look at her face, she's great to watch and listen to. I'm a sucker for a pretty face on a woman more so than a sculpted body to be honest as well as the talent to sing, write and play. She's a hard worker and never stops and lives the parts she plays. She's always Lady G...it's not about the stage or the image, it's really who she is. She's also totally into fashion and designs....and has come up with some trippy outfits that I think need some praise too. All the stuff she does is not stuff I'm into, but I'd be completely blind not to respect and accept what she does as something not many have been able to achieve. I thought the HBO show was theatrical, entertaining, showed great musicianship from her and her band, great stage performance and when you start watching it, it kinda sucks you in to where you can't stop. Mission accomplished on my end considering this is not my cup of tea. :)

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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/15 20:26:15 (permalink)
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    Co-incidentally she was on a popular UK talk show tonight and she mentioned the HBO thing.

    The theatre is very reminiscent of Madonna but she undoubtedly has so much more musicality in her little finger than Madge ever had by herself.  To me she is bordering on plug ugly but her attitude carries her above all that into another realm and she's definitely turned up for work every time I've seen her perform on TV.


    Madonna was no musical slouch.  She played drums and guitar for "The Breakfast Club" before they turned her into a "pop star".  And...she didn't have to wear various loin cuts.  Lol.

    Don't get me wrong, she wasn't Van Halen or Neil Peart, but some musical knowledge/skill is better than none.
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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/15 20:50:05 (permalink)
    I heard her sing before I knew who she was. She has a great voice. I don't think she's in the same league as Karen Carpenter, Selena, Christine Agulara or Judy Garland and others through the years though. You never know though, I've read that the human voice does not fully mature till around 30 years. So there is plenty of room for her to get even better.

    I am dissapointed with the new songs though. I saw her on 60 minutes and they played her new song. I told my wife that it was a total rip off of Madonna. Low and behold, Madonna is sueing her for it. So as for originality, I hope she has not peaked. Otherwise, she will never be able to be compared to the likes of Michael Jackson.

    Personally, I would rather hear her without visuals.

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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/15 22:05:26 (permalink)
    Well, no one as yet as linked me to some "see you dimbulb she IS NOT lipsyncing" video as yet.  BUT... I, my ownself, was able to see a clip of her ostensibly playing live doing PokerFace and it did sound as if she can actually sing...no better than the girls I work with in my troup every day.  Still it is better than "Fridays" by a damnsite.  And again, I give her all due credit for working hard, perservering and using the talents she has to their utmost.  Good for her.  She still, to me, seems to exemplify one of my favorite movie lines...and one which those who know me constantly apply to me with friendly derision...It's from Peter O'Toole in the movie "My Favorite Year" who when called on to actually perform live screams, "I'm not an actor...I'm a movie star!!"  This is still what I think of our lady.  Talented, yes.  As talented as the most talented we've seen...absolutely not.  But she certainly is talented enough to not have to use every technical innovation at her disposal to maintain the facade.  And as to that I stand corrected.  Perhaps. I guess my cynicism knows no bounds:-) 

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    Re:Thoughts on Lady Gaga? 2011/05/16 03:21:56 (permalink)
    yorolpal


    Well, no one as yet as linked me to some "see you dimbulb she IS NOT lipsyncing" video as yet. 


    No opinion either way from me, but here's a song from the show that was aired last night;

    Edge of Glory

     
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