notscruffy2
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Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
Just did quick recording of a random Guitar improvisation, drag to timelime, open Addictive Drums , pick a beat, very nice. Interesting side note if you tell AD to show beats within 10 of the tempo, and sync with project, beat choices jump in and out of the dialog. shows you it works with out opening the temp view. Edit: I may have finally found a drummer I can get along with. Now the bass player...
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bluzdog
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/01 10:49:51
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Sweet!!! I'm looking forward to this update. Thanks for the heads up. Rocky
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/01 12:22:03
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Mileage varies depending on the source material for the tempo map but it is certainly pretty darn cool! CW have done a great job on the integration.
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/01 15:59:10
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Before I upgrade (I don't like "early release" versions), can you calculate tempo based on multiple tracks? Like, multi-tracked drums? And as an aside, can we now edit multiple tracks via ARA?
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bluzdog
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/01 16:15:18
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Sanderxpander Before I upgrade (I don't like "early release" versions), can you calculate tempo based on multiple tracks? Like, multi-tracked drums? And as an aside, can we now edit multiple tracks via ARA?
Why not just use the tempo map from the kick, the rest of the kit should be in time with it? A drum overhead track would work as well. Rocky
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/01 16:21:50
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I guess an overhead would work, good idea, doi! I'd be afraid with a single drum that it would interpret slightly "off" hits as tempo variations, hence my question. An overhead should get the whole "tempo" across even if a single hit is sloppy.
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stevec
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/02 10:48:42
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Yup, initial results here have been pretty good. Or, at least inline with what Melodyne detects. How CW chose to get that tempo map into the project is absolutely great! What's also neat (from a cursory review) is editing the tempo map in Melodyne first and then dragging the region FX clip to the timeline. All kinds of interesting things to come...
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/02 12:06:14
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Sanderxpander Before I upgrade (I don't like "early release" versions), can you calculate tempo based on multiple tracks? Like, multi-tracked drums? And as an aside, can we now edit multiple tracks via ARA?
I don't know if you can use multiple tracks as you request, but I'm sure you could bounce the tracks to a single track and use that...?
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/02 19:12:40
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what sorcery is this? Where can I read about this? Is this feature "out" yet?
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/02 20:18:33
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I got as far as dragging an improv guitar track to the time line and looked at the resulting tempo map to see that it was not flat lined. cool. I can't wait to get back to it. I have a couple tunettes on my drive where I had drummed to an imporved guitar track only to find out that is not quite like jamming with flesh and blood.
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stevec
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/03 13:54:32
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bitman I can't wait to get back to it. I have a couple tunettes on my drive where I had drummed to an imporved guitar track only to find out that is not quite like jamming with flesh and blood.
Same here... I have a few minimalistic free-form tunes that could benefit from this feature to more efficiently flesh them out. In SONAR.
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/03 20:26:28
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Apologies - I didn't notice until a few minutes ago the shill/troll was back again, at which point I did the ban/delete posts exercise. So he doesn't repeat the fictional "no one can say anything negative about SONAR" B.S., for the record, his sole point was that Studio One has also had ARA tempo detection for a couple months, and he feels it's better (although he offered no evidence as to why). However this time he added an exciting variation of trashing Harrison Mixbus, as well as usual trashing of the forum community.
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bitman
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/04 12:26:26
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I tried it on a free form guitar track and an instance of a drum vsti. It tracked along like a good drummer should. - I shook my head in disbelief. Tonight I plan to record a purposely time wavering "Can you play at all" track with maybe even a re-tard at the end. If that works too, Everyone at Cakewalk and Celemony gets the summer off, my treat. The forum software **** ed out ****. It did it again! ****edForumSoftware! :-)
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Andrew Rossa
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/04 13:24:33
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☄ Helpfulby jps 2016/04/04 14:01:02
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skinnybones lampshade
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/04 14:42:33
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Thank you for that really well-done, informative video, Andrew.
One thing, though: It appears blurry throughout. I know sometimes videos take a moment to pull focus on YouTube, but this one never did focus. Is the problem maybe on my end? I was watching via YouTube on my iPad Pro.
Thanks again, LJ
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NeoSoul
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/04 15:10:42
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk] Here's a new video that explains the feature: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_SKmr_07Is
Very cool. What does upgrading to Melodyne Editor or Studio add with functionality beyond the v4 Essential that comes with Sonar (as it relates to the Tempo Mapping feature)?
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stevec
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/04 15:17:01
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Anderton ...So he doesn't repeat the fictional "no one can say anything negative about SONAR" B.S., for the record, his sole point was that Studio One has also had ARA tempo detection for a couple months, and he feels it's better (although he offered no evidence as to why).
Great... now my clever "In SONAR" comment is completely meaningless.
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/04 15:52:59
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Nice! Looking forward to try this on a few loosely played themes i never got around to finish, as it would take me years to fit the rest of the arrangement  This will make it much easier  All the best.
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/04 16:48:17
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skinnybones lampshade Thank you for that really well-done, informative video, Andrew.
One thing, though: It appears blurry throughout. I know sometimes videos take a moment to pull focus on YouTube, but this one never did focus. Is the problem maybe on my end? I was watching via YouTube on my iPad Pro.
Thanks again, LJ
Did you try changing it to a higher resolution like 1080p? It was initially set to that for mine and I noticed it was blurry. Changing it to 1080p fixed it.
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/04 17:32:22
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I was amazed at how well it works. Did the same thing of dragging some random guitar noodlings (played without click track of any kind) into the timeline and playing a drum synth along with it. I had thought that maybe the hundreds of tiny tempo changes would sound kind of forced or glitchy, was very pleased to hear how natural it sounded, like two musicians totally locked into one another. Will experiment with some more expressive guitar phrasing tonight (i.e. drastic slow downs etc) to see how intelligently it detects.
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/04 18:30:03
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Andrew, thanks for the reply and the tip. No, I didn't change the resolution (because I just clicked on your link in this thread and it opened and played), but that makes perfect sense and I will try that now. Thanks again, LJ
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bitman
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/04 18:37:07
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And then can we throw AudioSnap into the harbor?
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/04 20:38:56
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bitman And then can we throw AudioSnap into the harbor? 
AudioSnap does some things very well (like snapping bass or drum hits in a track to the transient markers). I'd be very upset if it ended up in a harbor.
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/04 22:33:13
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Hot dignity dog, the swagger is back! Not since I played with humans in a garage has the music sounded like this. I played a song on the guitar. Dragged the clip to the title bar making tempo map. Hopped on the midi drums. Played along. Due to midi timing issues or id10t drummer errors it sounded sloppy as usual. Quantized to the nearest 16th. - Groovy man! I always had to do the guitar to a drum pattern that was locked to the straight tempo so I could subsequently quantize the drums as midi never seemed tight enough, Even sloppy like I'm um, not that good. but that was a double neuter of the music, first as I was trying to fit groovy music to a 4/4 and then killing it all by locking the midi drums to that straight click. Now the tables are turned and the computer has to follow me! Ha! For the first time in I can't remember when I have tightness and biological groove. I'll never complain about anything ever again*. Thank you Celemony and thank you Cakewalk for liberating us. Now I want to retrack everything I've ever done.
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skinnybones lampshade
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/04 23:21:24
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I've been putting off recording one of my songs because I knew that this great feature was coming. It's a song that I want to play freely (no click) throughout. One particular section, the 3rd, slows down dramatically and is played rubato, never the same way twice. Faster, slower, louder, softer, dragging, speeding up, pausing.... After that, the tempo speeds up and becomes somewhat regular again, although it will still vary naturally. It's a long song with many sections, but the 3rd is the only really different, irregular one. My question is, should I split the song before and after (just) this "weirdest" section? Or should I try to drag the whole shebang to the timeline at once? Or should I try to split every different section off and drag each one to the timeline? Should I save (archive) multiple copies and try various splits? Should I use Region FX on the whole song? Maybe on only the weird section? Would that make any sense? Here's what I think keeps confusing me and confounding my plans: The two main tracks will be recorded simultaneously: One is an acoustic guitar that, pardon the expression, never shuts up. The other is the lead voice (I'll be singing at the same time). I'm hoping to add bass, drums, keys, harmony voices, etc., later. The way I'm doing the first tracks doesn't allow for nice, clean breaks to later split at. Something's always ringing or sustaining into the next phrase, it seems, or it doesn't sound natural. That is the point of this whole exercise, anyway, to be able to play in the moment and without needing to consider possible future technical difficulties. But what do I do with the finished tracks when I finally have them, to have the best chance ending up with a good tempo map? So that's my question, and probably the answer is, "Try it and find out." It'll be an adventure, anyway. I guess the best thing I can do is to make sure I save a copy somewhere if I'm lucky enough to get a good take of that long acoustic guitar/vocal track. Thanks if you waded through this. Any ideas would be very welcome! LT
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Boydie
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/05 03:26:05
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I would simply record the vocal and guitar as usual on separate tracks and then use the GUITAR (as it is "ever present") to use as the tempo map (ie drag to the timeline)
I would definitely use the whole recording and not split it up so that you get the natural, subtle, tempo variations during the "normal" sections to maintain the human feel throughout the song and have a "consistently variable" tempo map (if that makes sense!!)
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/05 10:09:41
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Thanks very much for the reply, Boydie. What you say makes sense, so I will try to do it the way you suggest.
It was very nice of you to read through that whole post and take the trouble to formulate an answer. Thanks again,
LJ
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/05 10:40:18
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This is kind of a big deal. I'm very excited.
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/05 10:56:58
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Sigh. I hate learning with videos when simply reading a document is like a bazillion times faster but it looks like I'm going to have to watch this one.
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Re: Thumbs up for Importing Tempo Map
2016/04/05 11:11:56
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