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Time "re-mapping" in Sonar: is it possible?
I'm surprised I can't find a topic regarding this. I'm maybe not searching with the right words. "Time Re-mapping" is what it's called in the video world to vary the speed of a clip over time (but it doesn't work on the audio in the video editors, strangely). Maybe it's "time warping" or "time envelope", but surely someone has thought of it.
I want to vary the speed (as well as pitch - the rate of playback, in other words) of my audio over time; with an envelope would be perfect. This would be the same (in the analog world) as applying varying pressure over time to the edge of a reel of tape or a record while playing.
I know all the time stretching and squashing, maintaining pitch or not, fit to time and such. However all these work on a block of audio with the same percentage applied to all of it. I have the plug-in Gross Beat, but this is an overly complex tool to alter timing and volume of beats for loop-based effects, much to the same effect as oscillators and filters. It seems to be entirely tempo and loop oriented and, more importantly, limited to a block of only 4 beats in a given tempo (a monstrous limitation, if you ask me!). The potential power of time based envelopes is entirely wasted in that scenario.
Is there anything out there that allows you to simply draw an envelope, as long or as short and as complex or simple as you want, that effects the percentage of rate of playback for an audio clip? Within Sonar, perhaps? A time envelope plug-in?
Certainly there is and I've just got a blind spot...or don't know the right name...
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Re:Time "re-mapping" in Sonar: is it possible?
2011/05/16 06:34:40
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There is a tempo envelope.
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Re:Time "re-mapping" in Sonar: is it possible?
2011/05/16 11:32:47
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Logic calls it Varispeed. Many here have asked for it, but SONAR doesn't have it; all of SONAR's audio stretching tools are designed to preserve pitch. You can help raise the development priority for this with Cakewalk by filing your own Feature Request: http://www.cakewalk.com/support/contact/featurerequest.aspx
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Re:Time "re-mapping" in Sonar: is it possible?
2011/05/16 11:58:26
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I don't think playing with the tempo envelope will help - not for audio clips anyway.
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Re:Time "re-mapping" in Sonar: is it possible?
2011/05/16 20:26:22
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There is a tempo envelope.
I assume you mean the tempo map. This is only for MIDI and has no effect on audio at all. Thanks for your time though.
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sordup
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Re:Time "re-mapping" in Sonar: is it possible?
2011/05/16 20:35:29
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Strange to be lacking in such a basic function! I have logged it in the request line.
So, for now, is there a Varispeed like plugin that works with Sonar that anyone knows of?
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Re:Time "re-mapping" in Sonar: is it possible?
2011/05/16 23:13:30
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Re:Time "re-mapping" in Sonar: is it possible?
2011/05/17 00:22:05
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Re:Time "re-mapping" in Sonar: is it possible?
2011/05/17 02:38:47
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I assume you mean the tempo map. This is only for MIDI and has no effect on audio at all. If you enable the Autostretch mode of Audiosnap on audio clips, they will follow tempo changes, but pitch is preserved so it can't produce classic Varispeed/Tape Stop effects.
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Re:Time "re-mapping" in Sonar: is it possible?
2011/05/17 05:39:21
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Thanks all for the suggestions! Pitchwheel varies pitch but not time, as opposed to AudioSnap varying time but not pitch (while varying the tempo of the whole project - I want to affect one clip only). I want to alter pitch and time equally (a simpler algorithm, I would think). So, still not it. Tape Stop has the effect of stopping or starting tape, which is getting there. However, it seems just for play. I don't see how to apply this. Is there a way to automate it? or record it? and Gross Beat is just for making beats, but I've already ****ed about that one!
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Re:Time "re-mapping" in Sonar: is it possible?
2011/05/17 07:03:25
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sordup
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Re:Time "re-mapping" in Sonar: is it possible?
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Re:Time "re-mapping" in Sonar: is it possible?
2011/05/17 15:46:06
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Reaper has a bunch of tools for that kind of thing, and more coming in 4. Hopefully that will help light a bit of a fire under CW to get it in there.
I'd like to see envelopes for audio clips that can control varispeed playback and/or pitch/tempo independently.
I think you can do some of that already with V-Vocal, but I've never tried to achieve exactly the effect you seem to be going for so I can't walk you through the steps. It might be a place to sniff around though...
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Re:Time "re-mapping" in Sonar: is it possible?
2011/05/17 16:33:53
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sordup
Hey, thanks for that. But, how did you get Tapestop to be automatable? It does not offer any automatable controls for me. Tapestop has some bugs in its automation implementation. It makes it virtually unusable in SONAR. There is some other turntablist plugin out there (it may even be called that) that can do spin-downs and what-not. But if at any point this thread goes back to "VARISPEED" I will add that I'm a huge proponent of SONAR finally having this featureset. It is something I have to often go to other programs to do.
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Re:Time "re-mapping" in Sonar: is it possible?
2011/05/17 19:35:56
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sordup
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Re:Time "re-mapping" in Sonar: is it possible?
2011/05/17 23:10:29
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TapeStop is automatable. There are 14 parameters that you can automate. Here is a screenshot: http://naqigw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pCGihfQrDCHlgWgIsIuDVMp8D7K72dLzOYG75PqzfFO6_ci-yiYFAM7UW_jqiaCOFr7CVluvNoCUw4oeeDPjijtuvwECgMHyv/Tape%20Stop%20Automation.jpg?psid=1
Hey, thanks for that. But, how did you get Tapestop to be automatable? It does not offer any automatable controls for me.
Thus: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/DfTAumHajW941d_ea__81KIOxjpeON_wm_JZgGr6sKA?feat=directlink
I didn't do anything to configure TapeStop as far as I recall. I just put TapeStop in the effects bin and then looked at what envelopes are available under the envelope filter. As you can see there are many in my screen shot, but I haven't tried using them all. I have messed around with it previously, and managed to insert an auto stop and slow down effect via an automation envelope.
Well, hell! just not my day, i guess. as you can see in my screenshot, i add TapeStop and it doesn't offer up any automatable properties. I am working in 64bit OS and Sonar if that matters. Of course ...wicked says TapeStop is buggy, though... ...Hang on a minute! Just realized (after looking at my screenshot above) that I had placed TapeStop in the Master bin and was trying to automate it in the track bin (where i should have placed it!). Figured it out and it works as expected! will do for now. Thank you, me, for responding to me. And thanks Somerset for that tip!
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Re:Time "re-mapping" in Sonar: is it possible?
2011/05/17 23:18:06
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Yes, it might just be the case that it doesn't work for 64 bit OS. I'm still on Vista 32. Also, I wasn't aware it was buggy (haven't used it much). Sorry I'm not much help.
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Re:Time "re-mapping" in Sonar: is it possible?
2011/05/18 00:16:13
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Yes, it might just be the case that it doesn't work for 64 bit OS. I'm still on Vista 32. Also, I wasn't aware it was buggy (haven't used it much). Sorry I'm not much help.
No, you were a great help! It worked! You helped me do the very thing I've been struggling for the last several days to do. See my amended message above? Thanks a bunch!
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Re:Time "re-mapping" in Sonar: is it possible?
2011/05/18 00:23:55
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OK great. I'm glad you got it working!
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